Ozymandias037

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Mr Bubu's walkthrough has got every answer you need.

Honestly, I really have no idea why you guys ask these questions.
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I was originally going to make a lot of the points that others have made about this. The Carnations can walk away anytime, etc. Rather than rehash all of that again, I'll instead say the other thing that I thought of when I read your post.

Your reaction touches on one of my absolute favorite things about this game, something I have mentioned in this thread over and over. This game is written in such a way that it forces you to confront these questions, even as Edwin does. If we are to identify with Edwin as the protagonist, then we're forced to acknowledge whatever parallels may exist between him and ourselves, because that's what fiction does and how good writing works. And a lot of fiction doesn't do it well, but PC really does. It continually amazes me that PC has so much of what I cannot help but call Actual Literary Merit -- it's not something I expect in porn games! But TD is a fantastic writer and has created fully-imagined characters that behave like three-dimensional people with their own motivations, goals, and flaws. It's the characters and the story that keep me coming back, as fucked up as some of the situations are. I could watch extreme bondage porn anywhere, if I really wanted to. This is better, because these are people I feel like I know and understand to some extent, rather than merely body parts on a screen.

Yikes, just seen this post, I'm also not really sure this is my stuff, but I still find some pleasure discovering a great story (because the writing is so far excellent).

I'm ok with the fact that the situation can be really grim, but without spoiling too much, is MC at least trying to "fix things" ? Or he's also a lost soul in a sea of bad guys?
In this case maybe this game is not for me as well. Stuff can be dark, but in order to maintain my suspension of disbelief I don't really want to play as a bad guy, I don't find joy in it [no kink shaming tho, you do you].

Can you guys tell me if I should stop playing or there's hope in this world? (or at least MC is not paved with bad intentions)
I think this was answered already, but here's my take: You can play a "nice-ish" MC who tries to take care of the girls and befriend them as much as possible during the terrible ordeal they're going through. In some cases, you can be an actual friend. There are also other girls besides the three Carnations, and your relationship with those girls *can* be a decent one. But the scenario is definitely pretty fucked up, and more or less every character is a walking ball of "I need therapy!" So it's very unlikely that everyone will end up getting a happy ending.
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One last thing I wanted to say re: Veronica without (hopefully) reigniting the whole argument. While she's absolutely been manipulated to take part in the competition, and her situation is certainly desperate, I would say it stops short of actual coercion. There's no threat of hart if she doesn't continue that wouldn't happen anyway. For me that's the difference maker. It's not "We'll do bad things to you if you quit" but rather "we won't step in and save you from the things you're trying to avoid."

Yes, Samson manipulated things and fucked her over, hoping he could manipulate her into joining the competition. But it was her choice to do it. There is no reason except for her own stubbornness that she couldn't let the gym die, put her dreams on hold for a few years, and go work for some corporate gym chain or sports team or whatever else as a personal trainer until she got her feet back under her.
 

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Today I realized TD's avatar is not Weird Al from his Amish Paradise music video. Masturbation does make you go blind, I guess.

On a more on-topic note, I really like how PC is neither a male domination power fantasy nor a magic dick harem. I enjoy both tropes in moderation, but it's nice to deconstruct them from time to time.
 

UmbralKnight

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samson isn't innocent but he can't be blamed for veroncia making the brash decision to join the club without thinking about other options first.
sure he is guilty of many things like using her own mentor against her to setting up for failure knowingly but even he admits that when he first suggested the club as a solution to her current problems he expected her to slam his face to the ground yet she didn't.
instead she joined without a second thought , she is like a horse with blinders on who knows only one straight path forward.
all the girls in the club are emotionally vulnerable to manipulation we can see this with hana and rose but unlike the others veronica by far is the most affected because she doesn't have anyone else she trusts to have a second opinion.
she just needs someone to talk things over before she does something rash.
i am not saying she needs someone to second guess her choices , she just needs someone to talk who could show her other available choices.
everyone else has someone who could talk them out of making some real bad choices even if they don't know the full picture yet.
ian has the MC, felicia has mina etc meanwhile veronica's mentor who is supposed to be her confidant is responsible for her current situation.
samson obviously was scheming on how to bring down veronica for a long time but he is more interested in "conquering" her sexually than anything else. he doesn't care about her buisness or her mentor meanwhile veronica dug herself a bigger hole by making kathy her new enemy once she joined the club.
samson might be rich and powerful but not as powerful as abel or any of kathys other friends.
kathy might punish her even more severly and cruelly than anything samson could have dreamed of.
that was pretty evident after veronica was punished twice by kathy for her "insubordination".
 
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the game have ntr ? or not yet
Kinda sorta. One of the girls is married and one is dating your best friend. Due to the nature of the Carnations Pageant three of girls will have sexual interactions with people other than you, but everyone knows that is going to happen ahead of time. I don't think it's NTR exactly, but there's definitely some non-exclusivity.
 
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Damn, I forgot that this game scratches certain itches that no other game can. That scene with Kathleen was like heroin, nothing better then domming a powerful control freak like her especially because with how fucked up she is she deserves the abuse you deal out. I enjoyed her prior scenes but she was nowhere near the top of my list of characters that I wanted more story/content with but after that scene I’m beyond thirsty for more, although the likelihood that she lets us go all out on her like that again seems slim.
 

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I'm a little disappointed with the latest update. There is no content from Hana and the promotion of the plot seems to stand still. But there is content with Grandma Kathleen and Rosalinda, someone will be happy about it.
 

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So after 900+ pages, we move slowly from the Felicia Wars, which determine the NTR aspects of a woman from the south that can run moonshine out of a milk shake truck to Veronica who can dominate any mouse woman she so desires including the mousey men that don't man up. As the Veronica Wars heat up, we have to remember that "good and easy" was out the door and this was "fast and easy" as stated by the Queen of Mean before she was humbled by the Queen Bitch she crossed by giving her the O 3 times before getting those receipts in the next game...

Truly the tables turn as Pale Carnations grows and flows...
 

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So after 900+ pages, we move slowly from the Felicia Wars, which determine the NTR aspects of a woman from the south that can run moonshine out of a milk shake truck to Veronica who can dominate any mouse woman she so desires including the mousey men that don't man up. As the Veronica Wars heat up, we have to remember that "good and easy" was out the door and this was "fast and easy" as stated by the Queen of Mean before she was humbled by the Queen Bitch she crossed by giving her the O 3 times before getting those receipts in the next game...

Truly the tables turn as Pale Carnations grows and flows...
Veronica's entire dominance is only physical
 

Ungawa

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Veronica's entire dominance is only physical
It's also a front. She can take a lot of physical pain but she's set up not to understand emotional issues too well so she's gooey in the center.

As the author set her up, she's set up as a warrior first, and the emotional stuff hits her harder as time moves on. So when you get her to really explore that pain, it hits her twice as hard.
 

Dryme

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It's also a front. She can take a lot of physical pain but she's set up not to understand emotional issues too well so she's gooey in the center.

As the author set her up, she's set up as a warrior first, and the emotional stuff hits her harder as time moves on. So when you get her to really explore that pain, it hits her twice as hard.
Strong on the outside but fragile on the inside
 

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I maybe misrembering or interperiting, Samson sabataged Veronica's business with bad contracts/business model preying on her naivite on buisness to coerce into a situation where the carnation club was a last resort. Each time she thought about dropping out she is reminded she'll lose the chance at money and the implications of that with her personal life. Thats forcing someone to do something against thier own will, aka coecersion. Nothing about that is "willingly."

Lets my best friend owns subscribstar and Pale Carnations brings more eyes to the platform. I buy Patreon and give Jeff and Mutt the boot as a favor to best friend for whatever reason. Thats coesering you to make a move to Subscribstar. Your not "willingly" dumping one revenue stream for a lesser one. You were forced unknowingly or not.

Nope. All the carnations have a choice. Veronica's only problem can be walked away from (at great emotional and financial cost) and recover normally after bankruptcy. Her pride is what's keeping her locked into her gym, and a heaping dose of sunk cost fallacy (not just money, she lost her marriage over the business). It's not coercion, perse. They are all repeatedly offered opportunities to quit (because it's more fun to point out that their degradation is by their own consent and choice). Is their choice being influenced? Yes, absolutely. That doesn't negate their free will and consent.
 

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Turret

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samson isn't innocent but he can't be blamed for veroncia making the brash decision to join the club without thinking about other options first.
sure he is guilty of many things like using her own mentor against her to setting up for failure knowingly but even he admits that when he first suggested the club as a solution to her current problems he expected her to slam his face to the ground yet she didn't.
instead she joined without a second thought , she is like a horse with blinders on who knows only one straight path forward.
I surely agree! Mentioned similar thoughts in earlier posts too. And she makes it worse not only with fully alienating Kath, but once she tried to convince the other Carnations to "go on strike". How dumb or reality blind you can be? Felcia told her directly what a dumb and dangerous idea that was and Rosi agreed with Feli.

samson obviously was scheming on how to bring down veronica for a long time but he is more interested in "conquering" her sexually than anything else. he doesn't care about her buisness or her mentor meanwhile veronica dug herself a bigger hole by making kathy her new enemy once she joined the club.
Samson is crushing on Veronika quite strongly, there are more than one hint into this direction. I estimate if she came to him for help, he might save her gym.
It is just that Veronika´s bisexuality leans strongly towards lesbianism, so his chances are - bad. Samson should not have done what he did to get into her trousers, but I think Kath cannot go totally overboard with punishment against her without alienating Samson.
I want to mention that we have a friendship score with Samson, the only one of the Club members. Since I am sometimes really exaspirated with Veronika and her mule-like stubborness, I really thought about at the end of the game coupling up Samson and Veronika. That is clearly an end justifies the means move, but logical. In a certain way Samson and Veronika deserve each other, I can get help from Samson against Kath and get Veronika out of my hair for good.
 

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Can I ask you what you mean by this? What do you consider the plot?
I think he either pressed the fast forward button too often or had the bad luck that all his favourite characters in the game had few to no content. Because there is actually a lot of things going on. Maybe not the "big jump" forward, but a lot of plotlines are affected by this update.
 
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