VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[se20299]

The Donovan scene is interesting because it paints Victoria's past in a very different light than Edwin does. Victoria comes across as enamored with the idea of being a "star" and "making art", and her main gripe with the gangbangs is that the guys treated her like a cheap hooker, the pay was bad, and she wants to make more "classy" films. Like Donovan said, no woman shoots 4 movies and comes back for more if she truly hates it.

For the longest time I didn't know what to make of Vicky and her decision to do porn considering all the risks. But the casting couch scene convinced me that Vicky did porn first and foremost because she WANTED to. And while she obviously did it to feed Edwin and herself, Edwin's cope of "my mother did it so I wouldn't have to worry about a thing" looks very flimsy when you consider how enthusiastic and eager Vicky is to get down and dirty, and Edwin is slowly realizing that.

The scene where Edwin debates deleting his porn stash of his mother is interesting because the implication could be that he's either letting go of his obsession or diving into the deep end. The visceral disgust and panic Edwin felt upon realizing Donny sullied his precious mom tells us that he's not as OK with her past as he claims to be, and he's increasingly struggling to compartmentalize whore Vicky and mommy Vicky.

I think Victoria has got a hunch that Edwin is doing something shady, but I wonder if she'll ever find out how unhinged her son truly is, and that she's responsible for that. I really hope they have a heart to heart soon.

Also, Edwin and Ian comforting Vicky in the end is one of my favorite scenes in the game, family is family.

 

[plong]

They don't need to know how his mother looks like, it would suffice that they would know how certain porn star looks like and once she would appear at school (e.g. during parent-teacher meetings or when she would see Edwin at school) someone could recognize her. And let's be honest, with such humongous rack it's hard not to stand out.

A couple of points to make about this:

• Not everyone watches porn
• Not everyone who watches porn will ever see Victoria's videos
• If someone sees Victoria's videos, they most likely don't know who she is
• Very few people will admit to watching porn (bros usually do though)
• Victoria's videos (as mentioned earlier) was made a fairly long time ago, so the circulation must be quite low at this point

So the chance of Victoria's past being discovered is actually quite low, but if it's discovered by the "wrong" person the knowledge may spread because some people just like to gossip.

 

[Turret]

Yes, because TD made it so but after latest update it's as far-fetched as it can get.

They don't need to know how his mother looks like, it would suffice that they would know how certain porn star looks like and once she would appear at school (e.g. during parent-teacher meetings or when she would see Edwin at school) someone could recognize her. And let's be honest, with such humongous rack it's hard not to stand out.

Hi and sorry, but you considerably overestimate people´s recognition skills, esp. in situations they do not expect to meet/see person xy. If you just look at some of those hidden pornstars exposed, it was a combination of factors coming together.

Ummm... No, not at all...

Context is key though. If you're not expecting to see a pornstar at the grocery store, odds are you won't recognize one that you know. They'd be dressed differently, made up differently, not under the hot lighting of a filming set, etc.

Quite right.

 

[Ozymandias037]

This entire argument about how likely it is that people in Edwin's school would recognize Victoria from porn is, in my opinion, really dumb.

We know that PC is set in more or less our current time frame, right? For the sake of argument, let's call it 2019. And I can't remember if Edwin's age is ever specifically mentioned and frankly don't care enough to go find receipts for something this silly. But we know Edwin is studying medicine, which puts him most likely in his late teens or early twenties. I tend to assume early twenties, since med school generally comes after an undergraduate degree.

And we're mostly talking about Edwin's peers in middle school, right? So that's a solid 10-15 years before the events of the game.

How many pornstars can you remember from the early to mid 2000s? Half a dozen? Maybe a dozen or so if you were a real degen connoisseur? And those big names that became famous enough for name recognition invariably worked for large, national or international corporations. Playboy and Penthouse were too tame for the kind of kinky shit we see in the game, and the softcore parody Misty Mundae type stuff is obviously out. Vivid is the only company I can think of that might have had the kind of porn Donovan was making, but I'm sure there were probably others I wasn't aware of. Is Donovan's operation that big? Maybe. It's hard to say.

But even then, that's name and face recognition for maybe a dozen of the biggest, most popular, most famous pornstars that became anything resembling household names. Victoria was never that level of well-known, because if she was then literally everyone would know about her, and the game just has no evidence of that at all.

Not to mention: Do you guys even remember porn in 2007? If you wanted anything better than a grainy 400x300 pixel clip that took 5 minutes to load in Internet Explorer (or Firefox if you were cool, but not Chrome; it wasn't released until near the end of 2008.) and was less than a minute long, you had to download it from LimeWire or someplace. And that could easily take several hours even if your family was rich enough for DSL or cable internet, and much longer at 56K dial-up speeds. Or, you'd have to actually haul your carcass to an adult store and buy a DVD. Or I guess there were mail-order DVD companies too, like Adam & Eve or whatever. But my point is that the only way most of Edwin's peers would have any exposure to porn videos at all is if they found Dad's stash of DVDs or got stuff from torrenting. Still photos were much easier to come by, of course, but that's not what we're talking about, is it?

Anyway. The odds that anyone is going to stumble on Victoria's stuff from sneaking into Dad's DVD collection or weeding through the tens of thousands of files available on LimeWire with descriptive names like "big_boobs_23462.mpeg?" Very, very, very, very small.

 

[JINsoku00]

Peak fiction

 

[DarkLords00]

Anyway. The odds that anyone is going to stumble on Victoria's stuff from sneaking into Dad's DVD collection or weeding through the tens of thousands of files available on LimeWire with descriptive names like "big_boobs_23462.mpeg?" Very, very, very, very small.

Everyone keeps saying that and I don't understand why. If Victoria had done this once or twice and it would have only been "amateur stuff" I could agree but she did this so much she ended up doing several videos for a company that has apparently enough prestige to have contacts to the owners of the Club which we know is frequented by a lot of influential rich people letting aside the person she worked under is directly an apprendice of one of the clubs owners as he himself said. Besides, it's not like noone found out. We can at least count 5 by know maybe 6 if we include August that know, so I don't understand why is so weird for people to think about. The fact that no one from Edwin's circle found out was extremely lucky xD

 

[ffive]

a company that has apparently enough prestige to have contacts to the owners of the Club

It's not exactly "prestige" -- Donovan worked for August in the past, when August was running his own porn/prostitution business and eventually went on to start his own thing. Meantime August was doing his thing and eventually started the club with Chuck and Kat.

Besides, it's not like noone found out. We can at least count 5 by know maybe 6 if we include August that know, so I don't understand why is so weird for people to think about.

Not sure which 5-6 people you mean, (Edwin, 3 club owners, Grace and..?) but out of those it's likely 2 actually found this out (Edwin and either Chuck or August) and one of those 2, one told the others. So yeah, someone did find out, but as you can see it doesn't automatically mean that the whole wide world would become privy to this knowledge, the way some people in this thread claim was as good as absolutely guaranteed.

 

[Maccabbee]

This is the dumbest argument in the entire world. You know what the odds are that the whole town found out about Victoria's porn career? It's exactly 0%. ZERO PERCENT, because it didn't happen. The dev makes the universe, and in this universe it didn't happen. Period. All opinions are meaningless.

 

[slightchance]

What are the chances that Hana will enjoy some activities with other men if Edwin opens up a voyeuristic path?

I can think of a couple scenarios. One of which starts with her role play scene in the bar. Edwin has a scene with Jacob or Warren in the security room where the other makes a comment about being more careful in the future or other patrons might get the wrong idea about Hana's availability. You know, since men don't always think with their head, no matter how big their pockets are. I mean she's allowed to make her own decisions, right?
After the heads-up, Edwin can decide to talk with Hana himself to diffuse the situation or watch the discussion unfold over the security cam, which eggs a slightly annoyed and devilish Hana on to play an even more "dangerous game", right under Edwin's and August's nose. Gives me a boner, when I think about it.

 

[ffive]

What are the chances that Hana will enjoy some activities with other men if Edwin opens up a voyeuristic path?

I can think of a couple scenarios. One of which starts with her role play scene in the bar. Edwin has a scene with Jacob or Warren in the security room where the other makes a comment about being more careful in the future or other patrons might get the wrong idea about Hana's availability. You know, since men don't always think with their head, no matter how big their pockets are. I mean she's allowed to make her own decisions, right?
After the heads-up, Edwin can decide to talk with Hana himself to diffuse the situation or watch the discussion unfold over the security cam, which eggs a slightly annoyed and devilish Hana on to play an even more "dangerous game", right under Edwin's and August's nose. Gives me a boner, when I think about it.

This sounds like invested fanfiction, but you'll likely need to find a game with NTR tag to see them fulfilled to some extent.

 

[slightchance]

This sounds like invested fanfiction, but you'll likely need to find a game with NTR tag to see them fulfilled to some extent.

The scenario I'm thinking about goes more in the direction of NTS, swinging, voyeurism and sharing. It's not like Edwin is the only one in this game laying pipe or is he?

 

[Idontplay]

This is the dumbest argument in the entire world. You know what the odds are that the whole town found out about Victoria's porn career? It's exactly 0%. ZERO PERCENT, because it didn't happen. The dev makes the universe, and in this universe it didn't happen. Period. All opinions are meaningless.

Well actually someone has find out that (Ian's mother), but if the average player would actually read the dialogues, he would find out that nobody went to Edwin saying: «Your mother was a pornstar!» or went to Victoria saying: «I know you were a pornstar!»; except for Grace. So yes, it is the dumbest argument, because the "Pale Carnation-verse" is created by the developers and they will address this issue when and if it will be meaningful for the story (Grace's revelation again), not because we start to debate about it.

What are the chances that Hana will enjoy some activities with other men if Edwin opens up a voyeuristic path?

There are chances that Edwin will become a voyeur?

 

[ffive]

The scenario I'm thinking about goes more in the direction of NTS, swinging, voyeurism and sharing. It's not like Edwin is the only one in this game laying pipe or is he?

I realize, but there's no netorase tag, so those games tend to be marked with NTR one. You will note that this game has no sharing nor NTR in its description. And voyeurism is basically limited to watching MC's mother (who is not a RO) porn flicks. So this is simply not the sort of content you're likely to find in this game. Regardless of how many men in it have dicks.

The closest i can think of is an option to have Ian instead of Edwin fuck Rose on stage, for the purpose of the show. And a few threesomes you can have with him.

 

[slightchance]

You will note that this game has no sharing nor NTR in its description. And voyeurism is basically limited to watching MC's mother (who is not a RO) porn flicks. So this is simply not the sort of content you're likely to find in this game. Regardless of how many men in it have dicks.

The closest i can think of is an option to have Ian instead of Edwin fuck Rose on stage, for the purpose of the show. And a few threesomes you can have with him.

I think you forgot a few other scenes. Ian has sex with his nanny while Edwin is on the phone and both can share one of the carnations, on top of all the other prostitutes in the club getting dicked left and right.

It's a bit unrealistic that neither Hana nor Mina won't ever be involved in any other activities, given the circumstances, but I guess this is where the devs could draw the line. I'm well aware of that. It's just that they could write Hana like that if they wanted to, it would still fit the overall tone of the game.

 

[ffive]

and both can share one of the carnations

I did include "and a few threesomes you can have with him" in my post. That's one of them. Another is Edwin and Ian having threesome with Felicia early in the game. And yet another is Edwin's threesome with Mina and Felicia, where you can opt to sit in the cuck chair for a bit. I guess if you really stretch it, then Edwin can also influence Mina to get involved with Veronica, which you could also consider some sort of sharing (depending on whether you subscribe to "if it's with another girl then it doesn't count" or not)

However, those are in circumstances where Edwin's relationship with the involved girl(s) is at best casual. I dunno, this game just doesn't strike me as one where this would be any sort of in-depth interest in exploring this area in combination with dedicated relationships.

 

[The Senior Perv]

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[Thor875]

nobody went to Edwin saying: «Your mother was a pornstar!»

Kathleen tried to use it on Edwin, but failed because Edwin already knew.

but if the average player would actually read the dialogues

You can also phrase it differently.........

 

[ffive]

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Only 6 pair of shoes? Those are rookie numbers.

 

[ename144]

Only 6 pair of shoes? Those are rookie numbers.

There are two full closets on the right with their doors closed. I don't think Kathleen is wanting for shoes.

 

[Henchmen13]

Given that this is the beginning of the update, i think it's Edwin on the phone with Kath before the exhibition. Do you guys think she sends him on do some preparations?