VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ffive]

if not then i think its bad writing imo

The story not being a power fantasy where the protagonist ends up as four riders of apocalypse combined isn't bad writing. It's just a story that doesn't align with your desires.

Consider how many stories out there end with the protagonist merely being able to escape the big bad, and counting it as a success. Let alone the ones where the protagonists don't get to live happily ever after.

 

[plong]

The story not being a power fantasy where the protagonist ends up as four riders of apocalypse combined isn't bad writing. It's just a story that doesn't align with your desires.

Consider how many stories out there end with the protagonist merely being able to escape the big bad, and counting it as a success. Let alone the ones where the protagonists don't get to live happily ever after.

I think people always expects a happy ending to a story, so when there's not they get upset because they didn't get the expected closure they wanted. If it is done well it can make you think, if done poorly you get upset and want to forget the whole thing.

 

[dolfe67]

I think there will be good ending with each carnation, since you can choose pretty much who will win. Maybe not all of them at the same time (in the same ending) though

I don't see her entering a relationship with Edwin as anything more than FWB. Any boyfriend of hers would need to be a good stepfather to Nora, and I don't see Rose accepting Edwin in that role, ever.

I disagree here. Their relationship can lead to more imo, as something more has developed in this update during their dinner on the romantic route. Edwin showed great maturity and started to think about a future family life, and I don't think Rose was indiffferent to it. He might be a good stepfather, even though he's younger than Rose, but that's not something inconceivable

 

[Ottoeight]

I think people always expects a happy ending to a story, so when there's not they get upset because they didn't get the expected closure they wanted. If it is done well it can make you think, if done poorly you get upset and want to forget the whole thing.

We have no clue about what's going to happen - I wasn't expecting what happens in the latest chapter, for instance.

Just take into account that the story covers the exhibition weeks and what happens in those days. It will end in 8 days. After that, it's just epilogue - a sort of aftermath.

I think there will be good ending with each carnation, since you can choose pretty much who will win. Maybe not all of them at the same time (in the same ending) though

I agree. But I guess we should remember that we have 5 main characters.

I disagree here. Their relationship can lead to more imo, as something more has developed in this update during their dinner on the romantic route. Edwin showed great maturity and started to think about a future family life, and I don't think Rose was indiffferent to it. He might be a good stepfather older brother, even though he's younger than Rose, but that's not something inconceivable

She is 10-12 years older and he has the whole medic school path ahead. Come on dude.

Mina is the only girlfriend material in this story. Hana would be if she weren't a gangster's daughter.

 

[ffive]

Hana would be if she weren't a gangster's daughter.

Ehh, don't see why this would prevent Hana from being a perfectly good girlfriend. It's not her father you're dating.

 

[Maccabbee]

Ehh, don't see why this would prevent Hana from being a perfectly good girlfriend. It's not her father you're dating.

I sorta agree, but she may be moving down a darker path of corruption, plus the internal rifts within the organization might bode very poorly for her future. Hana is my best girl, but there may be external forces causing serious problems.

 

[ffive]

I sorta agree, but she may be moving down a darker path of corruption

I mean sure, but then so does potentially Edwin, yet nobody seems to think that makes him "poor boyfriend material" and snub him for that. And at this point Hana intends to just sell her share of the club business, so whether the criminals running it end up at each other's throats isn't much of her concern.

 

[TD1900]

Everyone in this story is a walking red flag. That's what makes it fun.

 

[Krytax123]

Yeez your doomed to the most boring and bland woman if a girl like hana has too many "red flags" (i hate this new strange dating terminology so much lol) for you. Or - which is likelier - stay single in your basement for the rest of your life while counting other people's red flags

How many red flags has Ian by the way?

 

[Maccabbee]

Everyone in this story is a walking red flag. That's what makes it fun.

How much impact are we going to have in exactly how dark or light this gets?

 

[ffive]

How many red flags has Ian by the way?

"Ian taking evening stroll with his uncle Chuck."

 

[Maccabbee]

Yeez your doomed to the most boring and bland woman if a girl like hana has too many "red flags" (i hate this new strange dating terminology so much lol) for you. Or - which is likelier - stay single in your basement for the rest of your life while counting other people's red flags

How many red flags has Ian by the way?

 

[Ottoeight]

Everyone in this story is a walking red flag. That's what makes it fun.

As Hana told Edwin (or so): "why aren't you Leatherface?"

Ehh, don't see why this would prevent Hana from being a perfectly good girlfriend. It's not her father you're dating.

Bro, Hana is my favourite. Nonetheless... I wouldn't get involved with a guy like Old Man Auggie.

 

[TD1900]

Yeez your doomed to the most boring and bland woman if a girl like hana has too many "red flags" (i hate this new strange dating terminology so much lol) for you. Or - which is likelier - stay single in your basement for the rest of your life while counting other people's red flags

How many red flags has Ian by the way?

...I mean, my comment included Edwin and Ian with all their mommy issues and sleeping around, too.

In what world is being the daughter of a gangster and now stakeholder in an (illegal) prostitution ring not something might negatively impact a relationship's health and longevity?

How much impact are we going to have in exactly how dark or light this gets?

I'm not saying there will or will not be happy endings. I just thought it was funny people splitting hairs over wife material in a game where everyone's got more baggage than an airplane.

 

[Incombat]

hey people, I noticed my eyes were a bit tired from reading after last update - I tend to sit pretty far from the screen and font is too small for me.

I played around a bit with GUI values to make bigger text and adjust textbox a bit so it still can fit 4 lines(it should be suitable for the majority of story strings, the longer ones you can see through backlog).

So if anyone ever searches for bigger font in this thread, here you go - toss it in your 'game' folder, removing or replacing the existing gui.rpyc / gui.rpy

 

[Krytax123]

...I mean, my comment included Edwin and Ian with all their mommy issues and sleeping around, too.

In what world is being the daughter of a gangster and now stakeholder in an (illegal) prostitution ring not something might negatively impact a relationship's health and longevity?



I'm not saying there will or will not be happy endings. I just thought it was funny people splitting hairs over wife material in a game where everyone's got more baggage than an airplane.

I mean yeah for a normal guy i agree

But for a guy actively being a part of said (illegal) prostitution ring the morally upstanding daughter of one of the bosses seems like a pretty good deal.

I would conclude that - when being somewhat of a criminal - the girlfriend being somewhat of a criminal too is healthier for the longterm relationship and longevity compared to a relationship with a innocent girl clueless about the guys job

 

[ModiThorrson]

I mean yeah for a normal guy i agree

But for a guy actively being a part of said (illegal) prostitution ring the morally upstanding daughter of one of the bosses seems like a pretty good deal.

I would conclude that - when being somewhat of a criminal - the girlfriend being somewhat of a criminal too is healthier for the longterm relationship and longevity compared to a relationship with a innocent girl clueless about the guys job

I think the Hana/Mina route is pretty reasonable, Hana has some morality but is in the business as well, and Mina while naive has some pretty extreme fantasies that she'll be able to explore with the protection of Hana and Edwin. Monogamy really isn't an option for Edwin so a close circle of people who care about each other feels like the healthiest of the options available at the moment.

 

[HongTeaPot]

did the dev ever mentioned what will going on in the "public use"exhibition? would there be any chance that edwin won't share three carnations(or at least keep one)?

 

[Krytax123]

I think the Hana/Mina route is pretty reasonable, Hana has some morality but is in the business as well, and Mina while naive has some pretty extreme fantasies that she'll be able to explore with the protection of Hana and Edwin. Monogamy really isn't an option for Edwin so a close circle of people who care about each other feels like the healthiest of the options available at the moment.

I dont disagree and i love Mina (thats why i didnt wanted to talk about the characters in specific ), Mina is just very unique

But it could be argued that it would be better (for mina) to not be involved with all this shit but yeah whatever, my Edwin is selflish

 

[ffive]

Monogamy really isn't an option for Edwin

It can very well be an option with the change in club management and with the exhibition done and out of the way. No one says he must fuck the club girls, and any further exhibitions as well as his participation in them (and/or the nature of it) is up in the air.