VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

I don't know where you get that she has "info" beneficial to the patrons and anyway even if she has information crucial to some patron, why she needs to get degraded to a bitch before benefiting off of sharing that Info with that particular patron/person outside the club in exchange for what she wants, clearly she wouldn't have any problem getting an appointment with them outside the club.

Felicia having secret knowledge is info which can be gleamed if you are pursuing her or at least being a very close friend. Pardon me, but it seems you extrapolate about Felicia without having played paths where she is a prominent character in. As for why she does not simply meet outside the club with the club members, ffive already gave some explanations.

Felicia is either a "dumb slut" or "the smartest person in the room." Pick your poison and don't even think there's anything in between

While I know the intention behind your post, we can make an amend to "smartest person in the room" with "until Dr. Lundgren is in attendance". One of the few things Abel and Chuck agree on is that Sophia´s brilliance outshines even their own. Still, outside some questionable decisions in regards to the club, Felicia is among the most intelligent of the games whole cast.

 

[Idontplay]

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

 

[Silegy]

It was told a few times that her job isn't very rewarding one. Maybe she can get by but not provide a good lifestyle for her child.

She has (or she had, depending on your route) debts. When you're paying off debts, you need to spend money, make regular payments. And then you have less money for yourself and your child. When you don't have debts anymore, you have more money to work with. Thank you for listening to my TEDx talk.

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

Funny you have to be the one to point that out, username does not check out.

 

[Beduin123]

Felicia is either a "dumb slut" or "the smartest person in the room." Pick your poison and don't even think there's anything in between

I'm waiting for the Devs to show me. Don't you understand that the whole problem is that currently she seems to be both at the same time?

 

[lustforsex]

I'm waiting for the Devs to show me. Don't you understand that the whole problem is that currently she seems to be both at the same time?

Is this a problem?

 

[Beduin123]

prostitution as your only option

Nope. We don't live in 19 century. It cannot be the only option. We are a civilized society (at least to some extent).

 

[ffive]

Nope. We don't live in 19 century. It cannot be the only option. We are a civilized society (at least to some extent).

Can you name some other options, then? If that whole thing about 21st century and being civilized makes some actual difference, this shouldn't be hard.

 

[lustforsex]

It is. You are either able to see consequences of your actions or you aren't. Depends on your IQ and the level of your maturity. Being able to climb so high up this gold digging ladder, I don't think she is a dumb slut. But then she must have some genius plan other than she stated so far in the game.

Rather, the problem is that you're repeating this mantra after Edwin. Even during the first visit to Felicia's "safehouse", you as a player have the opportunity to say that her motives seem stupid, but he believes in her, or that she's just dumb. Yes, she's taking a risk. But I don't understand what you're trying to bring to the discussion by simply repeating what Edwin has already done many times.

 

[ename144]

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

To be fair, characters can and do lie. It's not unreasonable to evaluate independently whether their statements match reality as we see it.

What I find exasperating is that people insist her statements *have* to be lies simply because they disagree with her assessment of the situation. While I would rate the chances of Felicia's plan succeeding as very low (definitely lower than she rates them), it seems obvious that there IS a chance of it succeeding if everything breaks in her favor. We can have a debate about how good her odds are or what alternative options she has if we really want to, but I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a woman who came from the mud fields to marry one of the country's more eligible bachelors might feel confident she could win over a few Club members if she can just get the right sort of access to them.

Eric (Police Chief) is a club member too, who respects him? Even Veronica fucked him over. Similarly Even when she becomes a club member (if she wins) she wouldn't have anything of her own and she would still be an invaluable trophy wife without the so called important information (the importance of which wouldn't change if she is a club member or not) that she has that (I will say it again) she could have used to her benefit if not easily then with a little bit of effort, if she would have been a real person she could definitely make anyone listen to her without joining the club with a little bit effort and her contacts.

The fact that there might be members of the Club who don't respect her membership isn't the right benchmark. The key issue is if there might be members who WOULD respect her should she become a member. Given how Chuck has reacted to her thus far, I think the answer to that question is at least potentially yes. Would that be enough for her? Hard to say without knowing more about what she's planning, but it would give her some resources to work with.

Also, the chief of police is Jim, not Eric.

 

[Hungover00]

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But it's not even entertaining...

 

[Darg]

The thing is, many of patrons there would see Felicia below them because she is a woman. I think even Kathleen said that at some point about her situation.
The only thing going for Felicia as i noticed is Chuck liked her belittling patrons on stage if you go there.

 

[Yanagi-san]

Save or gallery?

 

[Yanagi-san]

Is there any way to unblock the entire gallery?

 

[Beduin123]

Rather, the problem is that you're repeating this mantra after Edwin. Even during the first visit to Felicia's "safehouse", you as a player have the opportunity to say that her motives seem stupid, but he believes in her, or that she's just dumb. Yes, she's taking a risk. But I don't understand what you're trying to bring to the discussion by simply repeating what Edwin has already done many times.

I said already that of course I remember that the Devs have stated in the game (by Edwin's mouth) and also in this thread that the plan is highly improbable and I also said that i'm patiently waiting how the Devs will write themselves out of this situation. I myself do not see any feasible solution how her plan may succeed, but it doesn't mean that the Devs cannot come with some better idea. Presently we have a few explanations (different versions one after another) from Felicia herself as why she joined the competition and all of them sound very dumb. May be she isn't saying all the truth, we will see.

 

[ffive]

But let me reiterate.
Her being a club member means jack shit or that she is just a "club member" beside that she is still the same trophy wife

The "beside that" is the key difference:

* a trophy wife arm candy
vs
* a trophy wife arm candy who, unlike every other trophy wife arm candy, is a member of secret club for elites

If you want to pretend it doesn't matter or are incapable of understanding how it changes things then fine, we can simply drop this.

If you genuinely try to understand the difference but it's simply too much for you to grasp, then consider this: is the police chef who is member of this secret club just like any other police chef in the country? Do you think members of this club would be willing to talk about all the illegal shit they're up to with any other police chef just as readily as they're with this one? After all, "being a club member means jack shit" so it shouldn't be any different for them, right?

My previous post should have put the nail in the coffin for anyone who's reasonable enough.

Frankly, i don't think you'd recognize reasonable even if it climbed your back and pissed all over your head.

 

[lustforsex]

In fact, I'm glad Beduin123 finally found his brother in mind. It forced him to act, several months after the first wave of heated discussions about Felicia

 

[prpa]

Just stop, we are just going around in circles, this is the repeat of discussion that happened in January, only then it was Beduin123 against the world, now it seems he found an ally (alt account, more likely).

 

[lustforsex]

I mean just the fact that we are going circles with this means there's something wrong with it, but anyway we will repeat it another day, one circle is enough for today lol, hopefully you agree with me.

Maybe the problem is that someone is trying to draw conclusions about the game/characters without playing the current content to the end? Btw, you and Beduin123 are a match in this regard.
No, this is nonsense...

I can't understand at all why you should "play" the game first on the forum/in reviews and only then launch the game yourself. This is some kind of new level that even people who download the game just to simply jerk off to lewd scenes can't compare to.
If you don't see a problem even here...

 

[pinuz1]

you really should. You gonna get kicked out of here. We'll probably each will. Just sayin'

As if that mattered? A totally "new" guy that happens to create their account the same day those 2 get kicked will keep this whole shit going, as if it wasn't already obvious if you look at when that dude created their account and when the last troll got banned.

 

[Ottoeight]

Guys, are you still answering them?

Jeeeeeeeez... just put them into your ignore list and move forward.