VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ffive]

Bulshit, so Felicia joined the club as a carnation only to get an ear?

Not only (i've added other aspect in the edit) but it's the major reason, yes.

She is the trophy wife of Elias ford, she has all the ears, that makes her interesting, the moment she ask for an ear she's getting one.

No one takes seriously a trophy wife. They're arm candy, and the expectations are they're vapid gold-diggers and only interested in what's their supposed role, i.e. looking pretty at social events to raise status of their husbands.

Edit: they will not talk business to a trophy wife but they will talk business with her when she has downgraded to a bitch, make that make sense.

You're being disingenuous here and i don't see the point, other than maybe not wanting to admit there's a logic to Felicia's actions. She isn't not going to be "downgraded to a bitch" but "elevated to a club member".

(and the whole "downgraded to a bitch" thing has been talked about earlier in the thread with Beduin123 at extensive length. Just look it up, i don't think anyone has any interest left in rehashing that)

 

[ffive]

Is her situation with having a child much different from Victoria's (MC's mom) situation in the past or Lucy's situation in the present?

We don't know the details, so it's difficult to say how their individual circumstances differ. It's however worth nothing that Lucy didn't join the club because she was lacking money. She did it because she wanted her kid admitted to prestigious school and the club could apparently provide her with this as reward for winning the contest.

Also keep in mind that even with Victoria and Lucy in the picture, that's two single moms out of how many women with poor jobs raising their kids single-handedly? It's not some automatic slide to prostitution by any stretch.

edit: Also also, if you're going to bring up Victoria then let's not forget Victoria isn't currently making porn videos. She's stopped at some point, and likely quite a long time ago. And i doubt this was because she couldn't get any further roles.

And how getting fucked by a number of strangers during the Exhibition is different from prostitution? Oh yeah, instead of getting small sums of money from each client she hopes to get one large sum of money at the end (still being fucked by many strangers in the process). Different indeed

That there is no difference is very much the point. Rose didn't prostitute herself until she was backed into the corner by loan sharks. Once this problem is resolved, why do you think she'd do the same thing she didn't do when she didn't have to (i.e. prostitution) when she no longer has to?

The only argument for that you've suggested was "it's better money" but as pointed out Rose normally didn't care about getting more money to the point of earning it with her ass.

 

[Beduin123]

When was it hinted that her job isn't enough for her child

It was told a few times that her job isn't very rewarding one. Maybe she can get by but not provide a good lifestyle for her child.

hen veronicas business is a pitfal too, she can pour the money she gets from the exhibition into her business, but she could very much still be in loses because of her gym membership requirements/low memberships vs the maintenance costs and monthly bills for such a large place.

To me it looks exactly like that.

This is Bulshit, so Felicia joined the club as a carnation only to get an ear?

That's what they keep saying in this thread I had argued against it exactly in your words, but all in vain. You are just repeating all my arguments from 2 or 3 month ago and they keep saying the same as they did then. Just drop it, that's my friendly advice. Just a waste of time.

 

[lustforsex]

 

[Beduin123]

It's however worth nothing that Lucy didn't join the club because she was lacking money. She did it because she wanted her kid admitted to prestigious school and the club could apparently provide her with this as reward for winning the contest.

I am aware of this difference and pointed at it before. Still, Rosie's situation is the most similar to that of Lucy of all the girls we know about.

Also keep in mind that even with Victoria and Lucy in the picture, that's two single moms out of how many women with poor jobs raising their kids single-handedly? It's not some automatic slide to prostitution by any stretch.

No, I don't implay that. That's what common between these three women. Being normal housewives and getting into difficult circumstances they resorted to various form of sex work. Most of the women wouldn't. So, each of them is a slut deep inside.

Once this problem is resolved, why do you think she'd do the same thing she didn't do when she didn't have to (i.e. prostitution) when she no longer has to?

Well, this is criminal organization as someone argued a bit above. She is indebted to the club. That might be even worse that the loan sharks. Lucy didn't want to work in the club as well.

 

[Beduin123]

Let's agree or disagree and as I have already said if this turns out to be true, It would be fun to see the amount of people that will be disappointed by this, just saying.

Eric (Police Chief) is a club member too, who respects him? Even Veronica fucked him over. Similarly Even when she becomes a club member she wouldn't have anything of her own and she would still be an invaluable trophy wife without the so called important information (the importance of which wouldn't change if she is a club member or not) that she has that (I will say it again) she could have used to her benefit if not easily then with a little bit of effort, if she would have been a real person she could definitely make anyone listen to her without joining the club with a little bit effort and her contacts.

Man, just stop it. Those exactly my arguments from the discussion before and they have fallen into the closed ears

We will see how the Devs resolve this situation. I believe in them but as you say, many people may be disappointed.

Some fellow member said that he envisions Felicia sucking a dozen dicks a day in the club and still being unable to maintain the lifestyle she once had with Elias. For me this outcome also seems the most feasible.

 

[ffive]

No, I don't implay that. That's what common between these three women. Being normal housewives and getting into difficult circumstances they resorted to various form of sex work. Most of the women wouldn't. So, each of them is a slut deep inside.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. What's also common between these three women is that they're in a situation where they don't have any real alternatives as a way to resolve their problems. Let's say someone presented you with "choice" of getting fucked in the ass or getting shot in the head. If you didn't pick death, does this mean you have "a slut deep inside"?

None of these three women picked prostitution as their source of regular income, until they saw no other way. This is hardly some sign of "having a slut deep inside" to me.

Well, this is criminal organization as someone argued a bit above. She is indebted to the club. That might be even worse that the loan sharks. Lucy didn't want to work in the club as well.

Yes, she may be forced to continue the work to settle her debt. But this is vastly different scenario from opting to work there voluntarily as some sort of "happy ending".

 

[prpa]

No, I don't implay that. That's what common between these three women. Being normal housewives and getting into difficult circumstances they resorted to various form of sex work. Most of the women wouldn't. So, each of them is a slut deep inside.

Being trapped in a desperate situation and resorting to prostitution as your only option means you are slut deep inside.

Great reasoning. A+.

 

[lustforsex]

Felicia is either a "dumb slut" or "the smartest person in the room." Pick your poison and don't even think there's anything in between

 

[Turret]

I don't know where you get that she has "info" beneficial to the patrons and anyway even if she has information crucial to some patron, why she needs to get degraded to a bitch before benefiting off of sharing that Info with that particular patron/person outside the club in exchange for what she wants, clearly she wouldn't have any problem getting an appointment with them outside the club.

Felicia having secret knowledge is info which can be gleamed if you are pursuing her or at least being a very close friend. Pardon me, but it seems you extrapolate about Felicia without having played paths where she is a prominent character in. As for why she does not simply meet outside the club with the club members, ffive already gave some explanations.

Felicia is either a "dumb slut" or "the smartest person in the room." Pick your poison and don't even think there's anything in between

While I know the intention behind your post, we can make an amend to "smartest person in the room" with "until Dr. Lundgren is in attendance". One of the few things Abel and Chuck agree on is that Sophia´s brilliance outshines even their own. Still, outside some questionable decisions in regards to the club, Felicia is among the most intelligent of the games whole cast.

 

[Idontplay]

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

 

[Silegy]

It was told a few times that her job isn't very rewarding one. Maybe she can get by but not provide a good lifestyle for her child.

She has (or she had, depending on your route) debts. When you're paying off debts, you need to spend money, make regular payments. And then you have less money for yourself and your child. When you don't have debts anymore, you have more money to work with. Thank you for listening to my TEDx talk.

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

Funny you have to be the one to point that out, username does not check out.

 

[Beduin123]

Felicia is either a "dumb slut" or "the smartest person in the room." Pick your poison and don't even think there's anything in between

I'm waiting for the Devs to show me. Don't you understand that the whole problem is that currently she seems to be both at the same time?

 

[lustforsex]

I'm waiting for the Devs to show me. Don't you understand that the whole problem is that currently she seems to be both at the same time?

Is this a problem?

 

[Beduin123]

prostitution as your only option

Nope. We don't live in 19 century. It cannot be the only option. We are a civilized society (at least to some extent).

 

[Beduin123]

Is this a problem?

It is. You are either able to see consequences of your actions or you aren't. Depends on your IQ and the level of your maturity. Being able to climb so high up this gold digging ladder, I don't think she is a dumb slut. But then she must have some genius plan other than she stated so far in the game.

 

[ffive]

Nope. We don't live in 19 century. It cannot be the only option. We are a civilized society (at least to some extent).

Can you name some other options, then? If that whole thing about 21st century and being civilized makes some actual difference, this shouldn't be hard.

 

[lustforsex]

It is. You are either able to see consequences of your actions or you aren't. Depends on your IQ and the level of your maturity. Being able to climb so high up this gold digging ladder, I don't think she is a dumb slut. But then she must have some genius plan other than she stated so far in the game.

Rather, the problem is that you're repeating this mantra after Edwin. Even during the first visit to Felicia's "safehouse", you as a player have the opportunity to say that her motives seem stupid, but he believes in her, or that she's just dumb. Yes, she's taking a risk. But I don't understand what you're trying to bring to the discussion by simply repeating what Edwin has already done many times.

 

[ename144]

Let me understand: Felicia herself stated why she joined the club, so we need to explain why she joined the club? Is it so difficult play the game, actually reading the dialogues?

To be fair, characters can and do lie. It's not unreasonable to evaluate independently whether their statements match reality as we see it.

What I find exasperating is that people insist her statements *have* to be lies simply because they disagree with her assessment of the situation. While I would rate the chances of Felicia's plan succeeding as very low (definitely lower than she rates them), it seems obvious that there IS a chance of it succeeding if everything breaks in her favor. We can have a debate about how good her odds are or what alternative options she has if we really want to, but I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a woman who came from the mud fields to marry one of the country's more eligible bachelors might feel confident she could win over a few Club members if she can just get the right sort of access to them.

Eric (Police Chief) is a club member too, who respects him? Even Veronica fucked him over. Similarly Even when she becomes a club member (if she wins) she wouldn't have anything of her own and she would still be an invaluable trophy wife without the so called important information (the importance of which wouldn't change if she is a club member or not) that she has that (I will say it again) she could have used to her benefit if not easily then with a little bit of effort, if she would have been a real person she could definitely make anyone listen to her without joining the club with a little bit effort and her contacts.

The fact that there might be members of the Club who don't respect her membership isn't the right benchmark. The key issue is if there might be members who WOULD respect her should she become a member. Given how Chuck has reacted to her thus far, I think the answer to that question is at least potentially yes. Would that be enough for her? Hard to say without knowing more about what she's planning, but it would give her some resources to work with.

Also, the chief of police is Jim, not Eric.

 

[Hungover00]

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