VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[ffive]

plus Hana's own mother worked under her father as a prostitute so she is less likely to be judgemental about Veronica being in the club as a carnation

It's not a matter of being judgmental. It's the matter of being in position where, as a person with a say how the club is run, you'd be effectively participating in whoring out your actual significant other.

August might've done that because he's a callous dipshit, but it doesn't mean Hana would.

 

[Dactess]

True
Mina hasn't had any big interactions with Veronica
it's also true that mina is technically above her in club hierarchy and holds power over her as she is one of the judges now
but both are strong are strong willed women who are very mentally determined but have a rebellious spirit
both are also in a bad situation due to their fathers or father like figure (in case of veronica her mentor)
both dislike ian
both also put up a strong face on the outside but are vulnerable within

all these reasons aside i think they both would get along well for other reasons too
they both have extremely extroverted and energetic hobbies Veronica likes dancing, hana is a rock band drummer
they would vibe together well compared to nerdy MC or cute mina who wouldn't fit well with the vibes of either of them

plus Hana's own mother worked under her father as a prostitute so she is less likely to be judgemental about Veronica being in the club as a carnation
how do you think mina will take it when she finds out what veronica has been doing?

and both of them are currently being played by kathleen

Eh kind of a long answer...

Like it's hard to guess how Hana will act in all possible paths. I think if she is the GF, she will be less likely to do anything obviously. I think if you go on Hana and Mina's path, she will be more open to exploring her bi side but I don't know how open the "thruple" will be.

So when I think about what Hana might do if she wasn't in a relationship with Edwin or just a fwb of Edwins, I don't know if she would have that push that she gets from Mina to kind of get past her first lesbian experience. But I obviously have to wait and see.

I don't think Hana would be judgmental of Veronica or Rosie, though I do think she kind of judges Felicia for the same reasons the others do. However, I do think that with her being an owner, or pimp, it might add a power dynamic that she is uncomfortable with so I don't know if she would do anything with the carnations since it might seem like she is taking advantage. I just feel like her current character might be uncomfortable with the idea of it.

I do see her being good friends with Veronica though, I just don't know how likely she is to just "hook up" with her, I didn't get that kind of vibe but that can change in the next update. Like Hana likes rough sex, being manhandled, and seems freaky but doesn't seem too promiscuous, I mean she went a year and a half without getting with anyone before Edwin, and is currently uncomfortable with getting with women (up til the end of last update ) so I feel like she would have to be more of a friend of Veronicas before she accepts an impromptu threesome with Veronica and Edwin lol. Though that might just be me not wanting to share Hana with anyone but Mina... I mean not wanting Edwin to share, I don't have a parasocial relationship with these characters, nuh-uh.

I do agree that I don't think a romantic relationship would develop between Veronica and Hana, or Veronica and Mina. I feel like Veronica has too much going on for that and she isn't totally over her ex.

I think Mina might be pretty accepting of it, if not surprised at first. Probably gonna be shocked to learn about the brothel and that everyone of her new friends ( and ex boyfriend ) are a part of it. The longer they lie to her the worse it will be though. I do think they should tell her quick considering Elias is going to become a member and is her boss, and August knows about her now. Considering he used Hana's mom to get Hana to work there, I'm slightly concerned about how he will treat Mina or how Elias might use his models. So, forearmed is forewarned or whatever.

I could be completely wrong on my assessment though. Might be misremembering dialogue or scenes. Or maybe I just don't want Hana to be into Veronica because Veronicas bedroom behavior makes me insecure. Plus Veronica seems like the type to catch feelings, whereas say Felicia doesn't lol So in the end I will just think the Pale Carnation Gods that player choice is a thing.

 

[Kameri]

People won't shut up about young Victoria, but where’s the love for young Kathleen? I mean—hot damn, she was serving!

 

[DarkLords00]

I think Mina might be pretty accepting of it, if not surprised at first. Probably gonna be shocked to learn about the brothel and that everyone of her new friends ( and ex boyfriend ) are a part of it. The longer they lie to her the worse it will be though. I do think they should tell her quick considering Elias is going to become a member and is her boss, and August knows about her now. Considering he used Hana's mom to get Hana to work there, I'm slightly concerned about how he will treat Mina or how Elias might use his models. So, forearmed is forewarned or whatever.

I'm very doubtful about that outcome of Elias using Mina to "Get back" at Felicia. Why would Mina, who she herself said she doesn't really need to do modelling and it's more of a personal decision to get ahead in life in a different way that what her mother told her to do/did, would be willing to postrate herself towards Elias when she could just say fuck it and leave? Unless it's something ridiculous like Elias threatening to hurt Mina's family I couldn't see her obeying him.

People won't shut up about young Victoria, but where’s the love for young Kathleen? I mean—hot damn, she was serving!

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Holy shit, I sometimes forget how much some Honey Select models look alike. For a moment I thought that was Victoria

 

[Dactess]

I'm very doubtful about that outcome of Elias using Mina to "Get back" at Felicia. Why would Mina, who she herself said she doesn't really need to do modelling and it's more of a personal decision to get ahead in life in a different way that what her mother told her to do/did, would be willing to postrate herself towards Elias when she could just say fuck it and leave? Unless it's something ridiculous like Elias threatening to hurt Mina's family I couldn't see her obeying him.

I didn't mean that Mina would do something or become part of the club itself. More just her being aware of what the club is, who August is, and that Elias will also be a part of it would give her a chance to maybe leave Elias' employ. Distance herself from him. And it would just be better that she knows who and what August is so she doesn't think he is just a doting father.

I was also just saying that I assume Elias will set up something with the club for desperate models or whatever. So it would be better for Mina to just get out before all that happens. Again, I don't think Mina will be pressured into anything, I just think it's better for her to know who she is working for and who August is, so she can act accordingly

the sooner she says fuck it and leaves the better. Though depending on how much pull Elias has, he might try to fuck up Mina's career to spite Felicia but that's speculation

 

[helo138]

Hopefully, they will simply ignore what you wrote.

Remaster = D E A T H of a game.

Next update will come out in... december?

It's a 12 months cycle now. So, why in the fucking damn world should they stop developing the game and make some sort of UNNECESSARY bonus scenes and events?

Me, I wouldn't change a single thing in how the story has been told until now, so hell no, I think no one deserves anything more.






Same as above.





HELL NO

Don´t worry, the devs won´t take me seriously anyhow. Also, I didn´t suggest to start a remaster right now, but it is an option i.e. for a final update, looking at a few selected scenes, refining or extending them, no Christmas or Easter bunny updates.
As for the long dev cycle, I advocated for splitting huge updates like the last and next one, but it appears I am in the minority.
And to your last point about "deserving" anything. I state my personal opinion on the scenes I like and want to see more of. If future updates contain even more "dating content" with love interests (Week 3 featuring Hana, Mina, Veronica, Felicia date, Rosalind "sleep over", and group scenes with miniscule plot development), instead of focusing on the club and the depravity surrounding it, I will cut support and move on. But it would be quite a shame, PC having such an interesting premise and strong narration.

 

[prpa]

If future updates contain even more "dating content" with love interests (Week 3 featuring Hana, Mina, Veronica, Felicia date, Rosalind "sleep over", and group scenes with miniscule plot development), instead of focusing on the club and the depravity surrounding it, I will cut support and move on. But it would be quite a shame, PC having such an interesting premise and strong narration.

I think the plot is moving at an acceptable pace, but I’d also like to learn more about what’s happening in the club, particularly when it comes to Abel, his plans and motives, Kath, and a few of the other characters.

But interactions outside the club are best part of the game, in my opinion, it's the core of character development. I might be biased because I'm romance enjoyer, but even if you're playing a dark path, getting to know the characters makes breaking them feel even darker. I figured even players who go that route would appreciate those moments. I mean, what's the point of breaking cardboard cutouts?

 

[Shinceraderi]

Is it possible to avoid ntr and sharing?

 

[Shinceraderi]

There's no NTR in the game but there's sharing and you can't avoid it.

Is there a way to play with one girl where sharing won't be used? Or will this scenario happen anyway and there is no way to avoid it? Does it manifest as a scene with multiple men, or women?

 

[helo138]

That's the best part of the game, in my opinion, it's the core of character development. I might be biased because I enjoy romance, but even if you're playing a dark path, getting to know the characters makes breaking them feel even darker. I figured even players who go that route would appreciate those moments. I mean, what's the point of breaking cardboard cutouts?

I heard this argument before, the trouble is the amount of current content leans heavily towards these "romantic" scenes. So I have to wait for years to get to the last 5%, which might contain the scenes I am looking forward to? Sorry I don´t have this kind of patience. I want to enjoy the game right now, not in retrospective in the end.

 

[Shinceraderi]

The whole game is based on three "Carnations" (women) one of which will be subjected to humiliation or other sexual acts from many men of different ages and body sizes in so called weekly exhibitions. Now this wouldn't be a problem for Many if you can just stop interacting with those girls or limit your interaction with them but that's not possible you are literally assigned their caretaker you get very touchy feely with them, the other option is to be a complete asshole to them, but no matter what route you choose with them, one of them (mostly determined by player but not easily) will used like a rag doll by others.
One love interest (Hana) is safe so far but in future releases there could be something like a sharing scene with her because she becomes a business partner in the club (about halfway through the game) where these women are being exploited for pleasure.

Also keep in mind if you still want to play for 2 carnations as a safe option, in the last exhibition they all will be kinda gangbanged by the club members so even if you have been trying to save 2 carnations from sharing, in the end they all will be on plate, no matter what.

Thank you for such an accurate answer. I probably won’t play then, since I’m not a fan of this genre.

 

[prpa]

One love interest (Hana) is safe so far but in future releases there could be something like a sharing scene with her because she becomes a business partner in the club (about halfway through the game) where these women are being exploited for pleasure.

There's also Mina.

Also keep in mind if you still want to play for 2 carnations as a safe option, in the last exhibition they all will be kinda gangbanged by the club members so even if you have been trying to save 2 carnations from sharing, in the end they all will be on plate, no matter what.

Possibly, but without any confirmation, you're just making things up at this point.

 

[helo138]

The whole game is based on three "Carnations" (women) one of which will be subjected to humiliation or other sexual acts from many men of different ages and body sizes in so called weekly exhibitions. Now this wouldn't be a problem for Many if you can just stop interacting with those girls or limit your interaction with them but that's not possible you are literally assigned their caretaker you get very touchy feely with them, the other option is to be a complete asshole to them, but no matter what route you choose with them, one of them (mostly determined by player but not easily) will used like a rag doll by others.
One love interest (Hana) is safe so far but in future releases there could be something like a sharing scene with her because she becomes a business partner in the club (about halfway through the game) where these women are being exploited for pleasure.

Also keep in mind if you still want to play for 2 carnations as a safe option, in the last exhibition they all will be kinda gangbanged by the club members so even if you have been trying to save 2 carnations from sharing, in the end they all will be on plate, no matter what.

You speak as if you know what will happen in the next exhibitions, please share

 

[pinuz1]

You speak as if you know what will happen in the next exhibitions, please share

Don't listen to them, known troll.

 

[Gavin Ray]

For anybody... If you had to take an educated guess, how many more development years do you think will pass before TD and Gil reach the point at which they would consider the primary narrative arc of PC as being "complete"?

 

[ffive]

For anybody... If you had to take an educated guess, how many more development years do you think will pass before TD and Gil reach the point at which they would consider the primary narrative arc of PC as being "complete"?

After this exhibition is done there's one week (with one more, final exhibition) left. The game is supposed to end shortly after that point, so you can sort of extrapolate current development time into how long it'll likely take to get the remaining 25% or so done.

tl;dr: 2 years or so would be probably reasonable. 5 years * 1.3 ~= 6.5 years, plus margin of error and/or epilogue.

 

[lustforsex]

Thank you for such an accurate answer. I probably won’t play then, since I’m not a fan of this genre.

There is no NTR or sharing content in the game. The closest thing to sharing is a threesome with your friend and one of the carnations, but you have no prior relationship with her, and this can be completely avoided. Additionally, during one exhibition event, you can refuse to perform, in which case your friend will do it with one of the carnations instead of you. Again, this is entirely optional.

If you're a fan of vanilla games, this one might challenge you. Some moments will feel awkward, while others might make you regret not trying this game sooner.

Personally, I prefer vanilla games and initially ignored this one, assuming it was all about humiliation. How wrong I was In my opinion, the dating aspects here are even better than in many popular vanilla games. So don’t let trolls, who often confuse their own fantasies with reality, talk you out of experiencing something truly special.

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[Ozymandias037]

I agree. The dating aspects and the more personal relationships with the characters outside the degradation of the exhibitions are my favorite parts. These characters are so well developed and so well written that I love spending time with them and getting to know them better, even more than I love degrading and humiliating them and fucking them into next week (and don't get me wrong, that's hot af too).

 

[ename144]

Is there a way to play with one girl where sharing won't be used? Or will this scenario happen anyway and there is no way to avoid it? Does it manifest as a scene with multiple men, or women?

There is no NTR or sharing content in the game. The closest thing to sharing is a threesome with your friend and one of the carnations, but you have no prior relationship with her, and this can be completely avoided. Additionally, during one exhibition event, you can refuse to perform, in which case your friend will do it with one of the carnations instead of you. Again, this is entirely optional.

If you're a fan of vanilla games, this one might challenge you. Some moments will feel awkward, while others might make you regret not trying this game sooner.

Personally, I prefer vanilla games and initially ignored this one, assuming it was all about humiliation. How wrong I was In my opinion, the dating aspects here are even better than in many popular vanilla games. So don’t let trolls, who often confuse their own fantasies with reality, talk you out of experiencing something truly special.

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While I strongly agree with lustforsex's reasoning, I do think it's important to understand that this game is about sexually exploiting the three Carnations. They're technically willing participants who volunteered for it, but only because their other choices are even worse. That isn't NTR or sharing in the strict sense, but it is certainly not vanilla. It's highly likely we will eventually see some or all of the Carnations being subjected to other men no matter how much we try to avoid it. That's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and if it's a deal breaker for you then I'd say it would be best to give this game a pass.

If you're on the fence about it, however, I will say that I find this game quite palatable despite a strong distaste for humiliation which normally torpedoes corruption games for me. I think the key aspect which makes Pale Carnations work for me is that trying to minimize the exploitation of the girls is (at least thus far) an entirely legitimate goal for the MC - even if it may ultimately be a quixotic one. To me, there's a world of difference between enduring an unpleasant scenario in the hope of a brighter tomorrow, and enduring it because the game thinks that's the only way a woman would get kinky.

But that's me. YMMV.

 

[pinuz1]

Thank you for such an accurate answer. I probably won’t play then, since I’m not a fan of this genre.

It's a shame that the first user that replied to you happened to be him, it's almost like he was trying to get you not to play the game with those replies, but it's not fair for you to miss this game just because the troll happened to be active at that time. In truth, the game has 0 NTR and basically no sharing scenes at all, and the few there are you have the choice to avoid them, is it a vanilla game? Not at all. But honestly, it has better one-on-one romance scenes than so many other visual novels that try hard to build cute and wholesome relationships but fail miserably.

The biggest factor is that in this game, characters are complex and interact in a story with a unique plotline, which leads you to some very good storytelling and memorable moments, the game has 2 characters that are far away from the main action and I'm sure anyone who likes more vanilla content will thoroughly enjoy them, will you like the other side of the game? who knows, maybe you'll hate it and drop the game, or you might end up loving those characters, I say give it a chance and decide by yourself if you like it.