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Dev Diary 97

Hello all, TD here, and so is Summer!

All told, the update sits at 1,931 statics, 50 animations, and 40,384 words.

That amounts to 200 statics even, 7 animations, and 3,631 words over the past three weeks.

Honestly, not our proudest report. That is well below our weekly average. Work's been getting done, but little hiccups have added up.

For transparency, GIL and I work closely. I write every day, give GIL a script in the morning, and he hands me a batch of images a night. I usually keep a few days ahead, in case I get writer's block or some of my weekly obligations get in the way. It's not a long rope, but we find it’s the sweet point for on-the-fly adjustments and two-way creative input.

This dev cycle, we found ourselves a bit out of sync for a better part of a week and some change. I could never get quite ahead. Some of it was the usual friction (work-related snafus, reshoots, HS Studio being a bitch), but there was also quite a few half days that GIL didn't have a solid script to work on for various reasons that is the fault of my own.

Thankfully, we found our rhythm over the last week, but we nevertheless feel guilty about it. Especially with so much of the update still left in front of us.

The good news is, we're about to close out the final major scene of Exhibition 3's free roam. Anyone wanting a continuation of the Lucy stuff from Felicia's art exhibition will only have to wait for this update. GIL made most of the animations months ago, in one of his lust-demon fugue states. That always entails quality, but I of course had to put my grubby mark on it too. It’s at 10 total animations (more than our report because a lot of it was counted months ago when he made it) and will have another couple by the time we finish tomorrow. For those not interested in the school teacher, there are other ways to wrap up the free roam. I believe I mentioned Hana and Kat in previous diaries.

After that, we have a big scene to kick off the decadent evening and we’ll finally be onto the exhibition proper. I’ll leave the details of that for later.

Thank you all for your support. We will continue to try our best living up to your patience and generosity.
Let's see, accoridng to these numbers TD & GIL have set a pace of roughly 67 static images, 2.3 animations, and 1210 words per week in the three weeks since their last dev diary. That is a bit down from their overall average, which now stands at 84 statics, 2.2 animations, and 1767 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 6 began. Here are the charts for Week 23:
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The free-roam portion of the update has definitely proven larger than I expected, though I'm willing to wait as long as our intrepid devs are still enthusiastic about turning out relevant content. So far that has not been a problem - even the content that has fallen flat for me personally still feels like a well-crafted part of the story as a whole. I'm down for whatever twisted intrigue and spectacles await us at pinnacle of Week 3; I just hope there's something for squeamish players like me who aren't on many paths, even if it's much less elaborate than the main activities.

Hopefully it will be quite a while until we find out, as I still prefer releasing the complete Exhibition all at once. But if it winds up getting split and we can find out sooner, well, that's a comparatively minor problem in the modern world. :p
 

collin31

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Rich people exploit poor/vulnerable people into competing a voyeuristic sexual competition. You are POOR TRAUMATIZED young adult who's working there because of your connection to BEST FRIEND, for whatever reason.
so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?
 

lustforsex

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can someone simply tell me what's this game about, I read the overview but didn't understand shit.
A man with mommy issues gets way too melodramatic about all the free sex he suddenly has access to. Along the way he sucks a lot of titties.

The end.
A simplified and brief description of the game from the first hand, so to speak :sneaky:
 

pinuz1

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so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?
Those 3 girls are indeed the ones competing in the exhibition, yes, we fuck them in front of the rich guys, yes, it does sound weird af you ain't wrong, they don't interact with the rich guys in the game tho, so there's no NTR, and honestly, if you want to find out why its #1, give it a try, it's not your average vanilla game, but there's still a lot of good wholesome stuff and romance, there's 2 other girls aside from the 3 competing which you can romance too. Give it a go and see if its for you.
 

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Those 3 girls are indeed the ones competing in the exhibition, yes, we fuck them in front of the rich guys, yes, it does sound weird af you ain't wrong, they don't interact with the rich guys in the game tho, so there's no NTR, and honestly, if you want to find out why its #1, give it a try, it's not your average vanilla game, but there's still a lot of good wholesome stuff and romance, there's 2 other girls aside from the 3 competing which you can romance too. Give it a go and see if its for you.
I mean... as of now, one of 'em gets bukkake'd by the rich guys.
(Or all three in the multiverse. ;))
 

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so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?
Just stop overthinking this as if a major investment was required to try this game out. If you are worried about the massive download size, you can find the compressed version here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15765551

And here is my summary:

Pale Carnations is a secret club for rich men (and for important men who get free access for the benefit of the rich men). The main attraction is the humiliation, objectification and basically free use of high-class prostitutes. Once a year there is a depraved competition between three desperate women (the 'carnations') who are not working for the club. The winner gets her problem solved, but all three get their psyches destroyed with all the shit they have to undergo. The competition takes place over several weeks, each week having one big event preceded by preparations. One year's competition provides the main structure for the game.

The MC is a broke medical student who gets thrown into this environment as a somewhat privileged male junior employee. We have great freedom in what we make of this, although we are strongly constrained by the rigid criminal environment. The MC can be played as a sadist who enjoys what's going on at the club, or as an idealist with a savior complex who is trying to do the right thing within the constraints. Or maybe the MC concentrates fully on solving a certain criminal case tied to the club, or on finding out why his mother used to do porn. In addition to occasionally having to fuck on stage or in similar situations, the MC has a choice between 5 love interests whose paths can be combined almost arbitrarily: the three carnations (a MILF with money problems, a sportswoman with money problems, and a successful gold digger with a very strange ambition), a goth girl who is forced to work the bar at the club to support her sick mother, as well as the girlfriend of the MC's best friend, who has been working at the club for longer. By the way, the MC and his best friend used to be infatuated with each other's mothers and to some extent still are.

The game has unusual freedom of choices, so that it's impossible to experience everything in one playthrough. We can even influence who wins the various stages of the competition.
 
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pinuz1

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TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene :unsure:.
 
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TD1900

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TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene :unsure:.
It's a very common jumping off point people. We consider it a filter; a preview of where the game can and will go.

Basically, if you keep playing past that, you're our audience.
 

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And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it.
It's quite nasty, isn't it? I guess that was the point. I was reminded of one episode of the reality show Fear Factor where the contestants had to guzzle down liters of donkey semen and piss on a timer. There's no shortage of people who do the strangest things for money or a little fame. I say let them.
 

Lusurbur

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I really wish we get more Lucy imo shes one of the best looking milfs in the game besides rosalind plus i wish we could explore her route and her personal life would be kino if she asked us for a favor to tutor her son and help with his uni exams and in return we can set up a deal with her...could even be sortve like the rosalind deal but doesnt have to be so lovey dovey
 

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TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene :unsure:.
In my opinion, that scene wasn't meant to be hot, it was meant to drive home the reality of what the club does to these women. It's not a safe space where everyone has fun. Seeing Veronica endure that, my sympathy for her went through the roof. This isn't a simple erotic fantasy. It's a story that delves deeply into what the skin trade really does to women (and men). The writing reflects that.
 

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You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.
It's not about coddling sensitive players (we've seen worse just getting to the choice), its about roleplaying the main character. When we first learned about the videos, the MC specifically mentioned his desire to delete them once he finally told Victoria that he knew about them and thanked her for what she had done. Well, the moment didn't play out at all the way he thought it would, but is has nonetheless arrived. So why wouldn't he delete the videos? What has changed?

It's a good question. The cheeky answer is that he's horny and doesn't want to give up the spank material now that push has come to show. But while there's some truth in that summary, I think it's a vast oversimplification that obscures a far more significant detail - namely that what intrigues the MC in this moment isn't the sex itself, but rather the 'relationship' between Victoria and Donovan. The MC has seen this tape before (or else he wouldn't have subconsciously recognized Donovan), but at the time it clearly wasn't particularly memorable because it was just one of many tapes his mom made. But now he has a direct, personal link to that tape. Moreover, the link is through Vicky's costar, a man praised by Andrea for looking out for the girls with whom he makes porn. The MC's interest in this tape is suddenly a much less about the images of his mom having sex and much more about peeping into her private life as a whole - which is definitely not the sort of thing a child should be obsessing over.

Granted, this is an AVN not the real world; this sort of incestuous voyeurism is fairly tame in this neck of the woods (even accounting for Patreon's gatekeeping). But I still think it's important to note the disconnect here for two main reasons. First, because any look into Victoria's professional sex life is going to beg questions about how much pleasure she got out of it. Personally, I don't really think that should matter to anyone but Victoria, but that's easy for me to say from the safety of my ivory tower. This is far closer to home for the MC, particularly since it could potentially disrupt the mental image of Victoria he's built upon the principle that she was willing to sacrifice everything to give him the best childhood possible. That's not a knot one should unravel lightly.

But the second and more important reason is that Victoria's behavior makes it crystal clear she does *NOT* want the MC to watch those tapes again. She's so ashamed of that period of her life that the mere thought of having to explain it to her son is enough to send the normally unflappable woman on a drunken bender. This illustrates that the MC's instinct to delete the tapes once the truth was revealed was the right one. The past has to be acknowledged to put Vicky's mind at ease and show that her son still loves her, but once that's done there's no need to revisit it - and certainly no need to go back and analyze the videos for clues about what she was experiencing at the time!

To me, this dilemma about what to do about the old videos ties directly into the longstanding question of whether the MC is a "good" person or not. There's nothing on those videos he needs to see again and it's clear his mom would be humiliated knowing he's continuing to watch them, so the conscientious thing to do would be to never watch them again and delete the files. There's plenty of other porn to watch, so it's not like this is a big sacrifice for the MC. Going back to rewatch those films to satisfy his own morbid curiosity is ultimately another opportunity for the MC to indulge his sadistic side, and given the importance of Victoria (both to the MC and to the story as a whole) subjecting her to his sadistic side - however indirectly - deserves to be treated as a big deal.

And even beyond the simple morality play, this also effectively mirrors the choice Killian is going to have to make now that he knows (or will soon learn, no doubt) that the one woman he still idolizes has far more in common with the sluts he's learned (or more like, been taught) to disrespect than his simplistic world view allows for. Can he learn to separate the two in his mind? Can he keep treating Victoria with respect even if she filmed scenes encouraging people to debase her, or will he get caught up in the images and focus only on the debasement? I suspect Ian will be much better equipped to maintain his respect for Victoria if the MC can keep a lid on his own darker impulses.

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying all this to shame anyone who wants to see the sexy Vicky vids. This is a game, after all, so all's fair for the player. But that's precisely why we get all those save slots - so we can play out different versions of the MC and see what changes. But part of selling those changes is giving us important choices that lead to significantly different outcomes, and to me the decision to delete or rewatch those old films is a crucial example.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head :WaitWhat:
There's definitely nothing in the video that caused Victoria to finally confess the truth, not unless the MC downloaded it within the last week! As I said above, I think it popped into his head because he'd met Donovan the previous day and was wondering about how Victoria's view of him would compare to Andrea's. That's a private matter he really shouldn't dig into behind Vicky's back, particularly now that he's seen how raw a nerve the topic is for her.

That's why things have changed now that the truth is out. It's all well and good use her old videos as an empathy crutch, but it rather defeats the purpose if he has to ignore the distress it would cause his own mom to do it. IMHO, anyway.


Pretty sure the blurry thing is a hint of mental block/denial Edwin has for that particular video. He does it, (sub)consciously because the image of Victoria actually clearly enjoying that fuck doesn't match with the narrative he's built up in his head to deal with the fact his mom was doing porn. He tells himself it was just sacrifice she made to ensure his well-being, and not something she could possibly like in the slightest.

He probably also avoided watching that video again for this very reason, so his memory of it may be literally quite blurry after all the time has passed, especially with all the effort not to remember it.
I don't think the MC had any particular aversion to this particular video, otherwise he'd have remembered that aversion clearly once his brain made the connection. I think his memory is blurry because there were a bunch of videos and there was little to make this particular video stand out... until now.

That said, I actually complained about the convoluted metaphor of the blurry memories in my elephantine review of the update. It's not entirely clear what the blur represents, and it doesn't mesh well with the previous memories the MC has had of Victoria's videos. Perhaps we'll learn more when we see the rest of the story, but for now I think the blur could have been handled better with a little tweaking.
 
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