VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[collin31]

Rich people exploit poor/vulnerable people into competing a voyeuristic sexual competition. You are POOR TRAUMATIZED young adult who's working there because of your connection to BEST FRIEND, for whatever reason.

so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?

 

[lustforsex]

can someone simply tell me what's this game about, I read the overview but didn't understand shit.

A man with mommy issues gets way too melodramatic about all the free sex he suddenly has access to. Along the way he sucks a lot of titties.

The end.

A simplified and brief description of the game from the first hand, so to speak

 

[pinuz1]

so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?

Those 3 girls are indeed the ones competing in the exhibition, yes, we fuck them in front of the rich guys, yes, it does sound weird af you ain't wrong, they don't interact with the rich guys in the game tho, so there's no NTR, and honestly, if you want to find out why its #1, give it a try, it's not your average vanilla game, but there's still a lot of good wholesome stuff and romance, there's 2 other girls aside from the 3 competing which you can romance too. Give it a go and see if its for you.

 

[TD1900]

Those 3 girls are indeed the ones competing in the exhibition, yes, we fuck them in front of the rich guys, yes, it does sound weird af you ain't wrong, they don't interact with the rich guys in the game tho, so there's no NTR, and honestly, if you want to find out why its #1, give it a try, it's not your average vanilla game, but there's still a lot of good wholesome stuff and romance, there's 2 other girls aside from the 3 competing which you can romance too. Give it a go and see if its for you.

I mean... as of now, one of 'em gets bukkake'd by the rich guys.
(Or all three in the multiverse. )

 

[pinuz1]

I mean... as of now, one of 'em gets bukkake'd by the rich guys.
(Or all three in the multiverse. )

Agh, I always forget that bukkeke scene, the option to go and follow Hana instead always wins in the end for me , from what I can tell it's the fastest way to see her tits, and I'm all in for going the Hana tits speedrun route.

 

[torpedogoat]

so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?

Just stop overthinking this as if a major investment was required to try this game out. If you are worried about the massive download size, you can find the compressed version here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-5-public-mutt-jeff.50281/post-15765551

And here is my summary:

Pale Carnations is a secret club for rich men (and for important men who get free access for the benefit of the rich men). The main attraction is the humiliation, objectification and basically free use of high-class prostitutes. Once a year there is a depraved competition between three desperate women (the 'carnations') who are not working for the club. The winner gets her problem solved, but all three get their psyches destroyed with all the shit they have to undergo. The competition takes place over several weeks, each week having one big event preceded by preparations. One year's competition provides the main structure for the game.

The MC is a broke medical student who gets thrown into this environment as a somewhat privileged male junior employee. We have great freedom in what we make of this, although we are strongly constrained by the rigid criminal environment. The MC can be played as a sadist who enjoys what's going on at the club, or as an idealist with a savior complex who is trying to do the right thing within the constraints. Or maybe the MC concentrates fully on solving a certain criminal case tied to the club, or on finding out why his mother used to do porn. In addition to occasionally having to fuck on stage or in similar situations, the MC has a choice between 5 love interests whose paths can be combined almost arbitrarily: the three carnations (a MILF with money problems, a sportswoman with money problems, and a successful gold digger with a very strange ambition), a goth girl who is forced to work the bar at the club to support her sick mother, as well as the girlfriend of the MC's best friend, who has been working at the club for longer. By the way, the MC and his best friend used to be infatuated with each other's mothers and to some extent still are.

The game has unusual freedom of choices, so that it's impossible to experience everything in one playthrough. We can even influence who wins the various stages of the competition.

 

[pinuz1]

TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene .

 

[TD1900]

TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene .

It's a very common jumping off point people. We consider it a filter; a preview of where the game can and will go.

Basically, if you keep playing past that, you're our audience.

 

[Elduriel]

It's a very common jumping off point people. We consider it a filter; a preview of where the game can and will go.

Basically, if you keep playing past that, you're our audience.

seen way worse shit in AVNs, you'd have to try waaay harder than that to turn me off from this game

 

[slightchance]

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it.

It's quite nasty, isn't it? I guess that was the point. I was reminded of one episode of the reality show Fear Factor where the contestants had to guzzle down liters of donkey semen and piss on a timer. There's no shortage of people who do the strangest things for money or a little fame. I say let them.

 

[Lusurbur]

I really wish we get more Lucy imo shes one of the best looking milfs in the game besides rosalind plus i wish we could explore her route and her personal life would be kino if she asked us for a favor to tutor her son and help with his uni exams and in return we can set up a deal with her...could even be sortve like the rosalind deal but doesnt have to be so lovey dovey

 

[GamingSavant]

Ah yes, happy Pride Month

 

[broxitar]

TD1900 So I actually want to ask you something about 1 scene, which happens to be my least favorite from the game. It's the Veronica punishment near the beginnig of the game, where she's caged and has to drink the goblet full of cum.

Do you like how it currently stands in the game?

My issue with it, is that unlike many other "weird" scenes this game might have, that one lacks any type of sex appeal, it's disgusting from beggining to end, I feel like this game does a good job at making you think that even if a certain scene is not your cup of tea, you can understand why someone would consider it hot, or would enjoy it, but that's not the case with the Veronica one.

And I've seen many art/porn where a girl has to guzzle a big amount of cum and I've thought it's hot, but the way it happens in the game isn't appealing at all, for that reason, I've never been able to like it. And the thing is, after that, the game doesn't have any other scenes like it. Maybe the Bukkake scene? but I feel like that one is done in another tone and I definitely find it hot, and you also have the option to "skip" it.

I wonder how many people reached the Veronica scene and quit the game thinking it was going to be like that all the time, when the truth is very different. I get it's meant to be a punishment, but I feel like many other stuff could've been done.

Very curious to hear what your thoughts on it are tho. Hell, not just TD but what do the other people from here think about that scene .

In my opinion, that scene wasn't meant to be hot, it was meant to drive home the reality of what the club does to these women. It's not a safe space where everyone has fun. Seeing Veronica endure that, my sympathy for her went through the roof. This isn't a simple erotic fantasy. It's a story that delves deeply into what the skin trade really does to women (and men). The writing reflects that.

 

[Simpgor]

Ah yes, happy Pride Month

not hooking up with vero yourself seems like more like sad pride month, stop the bi erasure!

 

[ename144]

You may be right about the choice to delete the videos or not, but that would be kind of... boring? Doing that ending just to please overly sensitive players sounds like flushing a cliffhanger down the toilet.

It's not about coddling sensitive players (we've seen worse just getting to the choice), its about roleplaying the main character. When we first learned about the videos, the MC specifically mentioned his desire to delete them once he finally told Victoria that he knew about them and thanked her for what she had done. Well, the moment didn't play out at all the way he thought it would, but is has nonetheless arrived. So why wouldn't he delete the videos? What has changed?

It's a good question. The cheeky answer is that he's horny and doesn't want to give up the spank material now that push has come to show. But while there's some truth in that summary, I think it's a vast oversimplification that obscures a far more significant detail - namely that what intrigues the MC in this moment isn't the sex itself, but rather the 'relationship' between Victoria and Donovan. The MC has seen this tape before (or else he wouldn't have subconsciously recognized Donovan), but at the time it clearly wasn't particularly memorable because it was just one of many tapes his mom made. But now he has a direct, personal link to that tape. Moreover, the link is through Vicky's costar, a man praised by Andrea for looking out for the girls with whom he makes porn. The MC's interest in this tape is suddenly a much less about the images of his mom having sex and much more about peeping into her private life as a whole - which is definitely not the sort of thing a child should be obsessing over.

Granted, this is an AVN not the real world; this sort of incestuous voyeurism is fairly tame in this neck of the woods (even accounting for Patreon's gatekeeping). But I still think it's important to note the disconnect here for two main reasons. First, because any look into Victoria's professional sex life is going to beg questions about how much pleasure she got out of it. Personally, I don't really think that should matter to anyone but Victoria, but that's easy for me to say from the safety of my ivory tower. This is far closer to home for the MC, particularly since it could potentially disrupt the mental image of Victoria he's built upon the principle that she was willing to sacrifice everything to give him the best childhood possible. That's not a knot one should unravel lightly.

But the second and more important reason is that Victoria's behavior makes it crystal clear she does *NOT* want the MC to watch those tapes again. She's so ashamed of that period of her life that the mere thought of having to explain it to her son is enough to send the normally unflappable woman on a drunken bender. This illustrates that the MC's instinct to delete the tapes once the truth was revealed was the right one. The past has to be acknowledged to put Vicky's mind at ease and show that her son still loves her, but once that's done there's no need to revisit it - and certainly no need to go back and analyze the videos for clues about what she was experiencing at the time!

To me, this dilemma about what to do about the old videos ties directly into the longstanding question of whether the MC is a "good" person or not. There's nothing on those videos he needs to see again and it's clear his mom would be humiliated knowing he's continuing to watch them, so the conscientious thing to do would be to never watch them again and delete the files. There's plenty of other porn to watch, so it's not like this is a big sacrifice for the MC. Going back to rewatch those films to satisfy his own morbid curiosity is ultimately another opportunity for the MC to indulge his sadistic side, and given the importance of Victoria (both to the MC and to the story as a whole) subjecting her to his sadistic side - however indirectly - deserves to be treated as a big deal.

And even beyond the simple morality play, this also effectively mirrors the choice Killian is going to have to make now that he knows (or will soon learn, no doubt) that the one woman he still idolizes has far more in common with the sluts he's learned (or more like, been taught) to disrespect than his simplistic world view allows for. Can he learn to separate the two in his mind? Can he keep treating Victoria with respect even if she filmed scenes encouraging people to debase her, or will he get caught up in the images and focus only on the debasement? I suspect Ian will be much better equipped to maintain his respect for Victoria if the MC can keep a lid on his own darker impulses.

Now just to be clear, I'm not saying all this to shame anyone who wants to see the sexy Vicky vids. This is a game, after all, so all's fair for the player. But that's precisely why we get all those save slots - so we can play out different versions of the MC and see what changes. But part of selling those changes is giving us important choices that lead to significantly different outcomes, and to me the decision to delete or rewatch those old films is a crucial example.

The video stops being blurry probably because Edwin is approaching the stage where reality will come into contact with his beliefs. As for watching the videos, he has justified it more than once by saying that he doesn't want to look down on other people, because his mother did the same thing. At the end of the episode, before deciding whether to delete the videos or not, he wondered what prompted Vicky to confess to the past and this video popped up in his head

There's definitely nothing in the video that caused Victoria to finally confess the truth, not unless the MC downloaded it within the last week! As I said above, I think it popped into his head because he'd met Donovan the previous day and was wondering about how Victoria's view of him would compare to Andrea's. That's a private matter he really shouldn't dig into behind Vicky's back, particularly now that he's seen how raw a nerve the topic is for her.

That's why things have changed now that the truth is out. It's all well and good use her old videos as an empathy crutch, but it rather defeats the purpose if he has to ignore the distress it would cause his own mom to do it. IMHO, anyway.

Pretty sure the blurry thing is a hint of mental block/denial Edwin has for that particular video. He does it, (sub)consciously because the image of Victoria actually clearly enjoying that fuck doesn't match with the narrative he's built up in his head to deal with the fact his mom was doing porn. He tells himself it was just sacrifice she made to ensure his well-being, and not something she could possibly like in the slightest.

He probably also avoided watching that video again for this very reason, so his memory of it may be literally quite blurry after all the time has passed, especially with all the effort not to remember it.

I don't think the MC had any particular aversion to this particular video, otherwise he'd have remembered that aversion clearly once his brain made the connection. I think his memory is blurry because there were a bunch of videos and there was little to make this particular video stand out... until now.

That said, I actually complained about the convoluted metaphor of the blurry memories in my elephantine review of the update. It's not entirely clear what the blur represents, and it doesn't mesh well with the previous memories the MC has had of Victoria's videos. Perhaps we'll learn more when we see the rest of the story, but for now I think the blur could have been handled better with a little tweaking.

 

[GamingSavant]

not hooking up with vero yourself seems like more like sad pride month, stop the bi erasure!

I'm more focused on Felicia in this route. This is me just helping a friend get laid...

Besides, I imagine this is how most people feel when they score Veronica anyway:

 

[Simpgor]

Really sums up why this thread (and a few others) are worth sticking around for me, id high five some of you while we tagged team someone for sure

 

[Nulldev]

Lucy is hawt.
Lucy would look better after a car crash than Rosalind dolled up, this is my bucket sized sand pile I would die on!

 

[GamingSavant]

In my opinion, that scene wasn't meant to be hot, it was meant to drive home the reality of what the club does to these women. It's not a safe space where everyone has fun. Seeing Veronica endure that, my sympathy for her went through the roof. This isn't a simple erotic fantasy. It's a story that delves deeply into what the skin trade really does to women (and men). The writing reflects that.

not to mention, it wasn't like, a fresh batch either, that twisted hag had that shit in a refridgerator, COOLING. *BLEEEEECH*

 

[Juanalhamdre]

so I assume the girls on the cage in the images are poor too and we fuck them in the stage for the rich ones?, this sounds weird af, but if we consider this game on the #1 place in the weighted rating do you guys recommend it ?

This is from the developer.

Prostitution:
The game is set in a brothel, with many prostitute side characters, and three of the game's heroines are competing in a humiliating contest for the chance of winning a prize. Unavoidable.

Bukkake:
The loser of one of the competitions faces a punishment where they get bukkake'd. Unavoidable, although you can go hang out with another heroine lieu of seeing/participating in it. One of the heroines is made to chug on a glass full of animals cum, unavoidable.

Multiple penetration:
As of now, just some background stuff during a brothel scene, although there is an optional MMF threesome with one of the heroines that is set up for the future. So, uh... kinda unavoidable?

Lesbian:
There's a lot of this. One of the heroines hate fucks a brothel owner and she later hate fucks her back. Plus some other stuff. Completely unavoidable.

Honestly, if the hint of tags like these gives you pause, you will likely find this project distasteful.