VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

Turret
Vincenzo IS a total deviant, you have a scene in this very update where Allison was seeking clues and she found it in Vincenzo's ass. And while Joe Shelby and Kristoff are definitely the elite among patrons same can be said about Abel, Frank or Waylon (who seems to be some wolf from Wall Street, judging by comparison to Gordon Gekko).

Samson on the other hand might be the biggest deviant of them all judging by his comment here:

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I can agree that Eric wouldn't want to see this because Felicia is his favourite but then again he would most likely want to see Elias' expression when he would learn the truth about his wife so who knows.

Either way it would be strange if the rest of patrons wouldn't join in the event in a while (in fact I'm sure they will, this is the main perk of being the member of this club after all).

(...)
I have to disagree with your opinion that Kath and Chuck do not want to humiliate Elias. It is very, very clear they do and get off on it. That Elias cannot do much to not torpedo his chances in politics helps them a lot. I might point you to what August thought about this "event". (...)

August is August and Chuck is Chuck. August is a tough gangster who would gut you if you looked at him wrong so it's no surprise he would say something like that. Kat is a pure sadist so she would like to see Elias squirm too most likely but Chuck? I can see him spilling the beans and saying something along the lines "just don't make it too obvious I've told you".

Chuck: "I won't tell Kathy you're slacking off if you don't tell her I stole your charge. Deal?"

Why would he want to keep his talk with Elias a secret from Kat otherwise? Well, there is more than one reason but it also aligns with the theory that Chuck told him what's what.

GamingSavant
Yeah, that "hazing" is the strongest argument against Chuck telling him about it, that's why I said "it wouldn't surprise me if...". I just find it plausible. Although, it's not like the blow Elias is dealt doesn't pack a punch, he just knows when it will come letting him mentally prepare for it so IMO it can go either way.

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

 

[slightchance]

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

I believe what Mutt & Jeff were aiming for was making Elias's truly felt humiliation part of the blood pact to deepen their bond on a level no other club would ever dare to offer. It's camaraderie through suffering or a traumatic experience. It's not that different from the hazing sororities rely on.

And Kathleen and Chuck know how to pick their candidates. Sure, there's always a risk involved, but Elias's reaction was rather composed, considering the circumstances. Their speech prior to the reveal, especially Kathleen's monologue, had one goal: to deflect his emotions and project them onto Felicia instead.

"We know you on a more deeper emotional level than anyone in this room. Even your dear wife. You're home now."

 

[Raynare69]

As someone who started the game for Felicia and has played for Felicia this entire time as my only considered personal true route (though I have other saves to check out some other parts of the story), this update has been one hell of a rollercoaster...

Damn, I can't wait for the next part of the update! I need to help my girl get back up on her feet and win!
...Or something. I don't know any longer what I'm supposed to do here...

Favorite no context non-spoiler picture of the update:


Awww, she's so adorable! T_T

 

[Takkatakka]

I believe what Mutt & Jeff were aiming for was making Elias's truly felt humiliation part of the blood pact to deepen their bond on a level no other club would ever dare to offer. It's camaraderie through suffering or a traumatic experience. It's not that different from the hazing sororities rely on.

It's actually something that is pretty common in elite military units as well. You get utterly humiliated, but if you get through it, you end up being an accepted member of the group, because everybody knows that everybody else had to go through it as well.

 

[shroomify]

I'm starting to think that August is the more "normal" of the 3 owners

more normal yes but no less criminal.

 

[shroomify]

As someone who started the game for Felicia and has played for Felicia this entire time as my only considered personal true route (though I have other saves to check out some other parts of the story), this update has been one hell of a rollercoaster...

Damn, I can't wait for the next part of the update! I need to help my girl get back up on her feet and win!
...Or something. I don't know any longer what I'm supposed to do here...

Favorite no context non-spoiler picture of the update:
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Awww, she's so adorable! T_T

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

 

[Turret]

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

You must met with Hana and Kath during free roam rather late (you should have done what else you want), then you need to leave the room, not hanging out with Hana. Once you leave further places are opened up. In one of them Felicia is staying.

 

[Raynare69]

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

As soon as free roam starts, you can ignore everything else if you want. If you want to talk to Lucy you can but don't have sex with her or that will push the timeline forward and end free roam. You can actually go STRAIGHT to Kathleen's office (I personally chose to listen in on their conversation), finish up the dialogue there, and choose not to stay with Hana (I am on Felicia only route mainly so it was greyed out for me anyway), and immediately after you leave there, the VIP lounge will be open where you can talk to Felicia. Here you can give her a hint of what's coming her way, though I'm not sure what impact it will have yet in the future. As of right now it only really changed one line of dialogue iirc, nothing too impactful, yet. I warned her though in my main save since I'm ride or die with Felicia XD

tldr; There's no need to wait for anything, you can ignore Lucy, ignore August's Office, ignore the Bar and straight beeline from Kathleen's (skip Hana) to VIP lounge if you want to talk to Felicia ASAP or see the scene. I've played through this part a few times and I've tested this. Going to Kathleen's will open up the VIP room. Enjoy!

 

[Turret]

tldr; There's no need to wait for anything, you can ignore Lucy, ignore August's Office, ignore the Bar and straight beeline from Kathleen's (skip Hana) to VIP lounge if you want to talk to Felicia ASAP or see the scene. I've played through this part a few times and I've tested this. Going to Kathleen's will open up the VIP room. Enjoy!

While that is true, I would refrain from doing so for whatever canon runs you might make. Looking towards what might happen in the final, I consider meeting August (if high friendship), Lucy (simply giving her a keeping your ears stiff, nothing more) Felicia (to give her a hint what is to come) and then Sophia (we will need all the help we can get, esp. if you like her) essential. I try to do more during the free roam, but these are like I said, essential things to do for white and grey hat Edwins.

 

[Ummmh]

Been away from the Carnations awhile, as the wait for 4.5 was a gap as it was a huge update, so just got back w/4.6, and..

Am immediately reminded how insanely polished, insightful, and attentive the writing is: sick and twisted, for sure, but f'n BRILLIANT.

Again, it is clear the writer or writing team is actually 100% pro in general, and doesn't have to necessarily be writing a porn game, although it's probably more lucrative than other venues, at this point.

"Literati" keeps coming to mind with PC. For a fkn porn game. Ffs.

It helps that the visuals are so well in tune with the writing in most cases (despite a few cases where someone visually responds before they have lines for the response), that you can even get a show don't tell with the visuals in many cases: A WELL-PLANNED GAME.

Again, it is so difficult sometimes to have to choose between specific paths, because nearly every one of these women is someone you can empathize with (except Kathleen who needs to be permanently strapped in for unending use in a sex torture device) and who is just drop-dead gorgeous.

Allison is a freaking gem. Glad they added her. The rock gig scene bartender wasn't bad, either.

BTW, how exactly does one trigger the "Make a Move on Sad Lucy" sex scene? I tried changing around timing as to when I click on Lucy in the hall, and when I go to the housegirl dressing room relative to free roam, and I try all the options w/Lucy in various combos every time, and not a one of them leads to sex.

 

[sunaboz]

BTW, how exactly does one trigger the "Make a Move on Sad Lucy" sex scene? I tried changing around timing as to when I click on Lucy in the hall, and when I go to the housegirl dressing room relative to free roam, and I try all the options w/Lucy in various combos every time, and not a one of them leads to sex.

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

You need both Felicia's flag AND the variable that tracks you talking to Lucy during the date (vs the art critic branch) for it to ask you

 

[Ummmh]

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

TY!

Wow, that is a LOT of backtracking to get that scene.

Pretty sure I decided to be somewhat respectful to her or at least give my attention to somewhere else probably Felicia or the artist who she was there to honor.

Oh well. Price of not being a cad, I guess.

 

[Turret]

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

TY!

Wow, that is a LOT of backtracking to get that scene.

Pretty sure I decided to be somewhat respectful to her or at least give my attention to somewhere else probably Felicia or the artist who she was there to honor.

Oh well. Price of not being a cad, I guess.

Yes, one can reach the Lucy scene in the new update by kissing her at the art exhibition, but it also needs the warning that you cut short the possible Confidence points gain of Felicia. After the Felicia date she can have 6-7 CPs, but if you pursue Lucy 4 ** seem to be the maximum you can gain then.
(Question from a non-English native: Why does this shortform get censored? )

 

[NadaMucho]

Just looking for a bit of clarity. I've skipped over almost all the post here to avoid spoilers but here is the basis for my question.

• I grabbed Chapter 4 Update 5 back in January, release on F95 was Jan 10th, 2025.
• Checked the page recently and saw that the release date changed to Sept 27th, 2025 and the release version as Chapter 4, Update 6 Early access.
• Checked the change log and it just says N/A for Chapter 4 Update 6 EA. Maybe no info OR no content.
• I grabbed the latest release from gofile and the zip contained a folder with the new version on it PaleCarnations-Ch4Up6-pc
• Loaded up the new version and tried to load my last save file which was at the point where the MC looks up the audition tape of Donovan and Victoria
• Skipped to the next frame and was met by the same End of Update screen seen in the C4Up5 release in January
• Figured maybe it was a bug or something so I started a new game, ran all the way through and it still stops at the same point, the Donovan and Victoria tape

So, does C4Up6 have no new content? Maybe I broke something with a mod that's blocking any new content? No shade either way just trying to understand the situation. Peace.

 

[Discrepancy]

Just looking for a bit of clarity. I've skipped over almost all the post here to avoid spoilers but here is the basis for my question.

• I grabbed Chapter 4 Update 5 back in January, release on F95 was Jan 10th, 2025.
• Checked the page recently and saw that the release date changed to Sept 27th, 2025 and the release version as Chapter 4, Update 6 Early access.
• Checked the change log and it just says N/A for Chapter 4 Update 6 EA. Maybe no info OR no content.
• I grabbed the latest release from gofile and the zip contained a folder with the new version on it PaleCarnations-Ch4Up6-pc
• Loaded up the new version and tried to load my last save file which was at the point where the MC looks up the audition tape of Donovan and Victoria
• Skipped to the next frame and was met by the same End of Update screen seen in the C4Up5 release in January
• Figured maybe it was a bug or something so I started a new game, ran all the way through and it still stops at the same point, the Donovan and Victoria tape

So, does C4Up6 have no new content? Maybe I broke something with a mod that's blocking any new content? No shade either way just trying to understand the situation. Peace.

It's the mod for sure.

 

[NadaMucho]

It's the mod for sure.

Good looking out Discrepancy. I'll check it out immediately.

 

[dolfe67]

(Question from a non-English native: Why does this shortform get censored? )

Probably due to rule 7

 

[Discrepancy]

Probably due to rule 7

Yeah, I replied and said what it was and my comment got deleted for inappropriate behavior
Dunno if it was auto-modded, if not pretty weird.

 

[NadaMucho]

It's the mod for sure.

Fresh extract got me past my last end point so thank you! I did put URM on and it seems to be working fine, detecting choices etc BUT if I try to search for a variable it all comes crashing down. No clue why but perhaps someone knows the deal with that one as well. Thanks again Discrepancy for getting me up and running.

 

[Discrepancy]

Fresh extract got me past my last end point so thank you! I did put URM on and it seems to be working fine, detecting choices etc BUT if I try to search for a variable it all comes crashing down. No clue why but perhaps someone knows the deal with that one as well. Thanks again Discrepancy for getting me up and running.

Glad it worked, I remember someone had the same problem a few days before and it was a mod.
Sorry to hear about you still having problems, maybe try playing without URM or any mod and come back later and replay the update when the mods get updated