VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

tldr; There's no need to wait for anything, you can ignore Lucy, ignore August's Office, ignore the Bar and straight beeline from Kathleen's (skip Hana) to VIP lounge if you want to talk to Felicia ASAP or see the scene. I've played through this part a few times and I've tested this. Going to Kathleen's will open up the VIP room. Enjoy!

While that is true, I would refrain from doing so for whatever canon runs you might make. Looking towards what might happen in the final, I consider meeting August (if high friendship), Lucy (simply giving her a keeping your ears stiff, nothing more) Felicia (to give her a hint what is to come) and then Sophia (we will need all the help we can get, esp. if you like her) essential. I try to do more during the free roam, but these are like I said, essential things to do for white and grey hat Edwins.

 

[Ummmh]

Been away from the Carnations awhile, as the wait for 4.5 was a gap as it was a huge update, so just got back w/4.6, and..

Am immediately reminded how insanely polished, insightful, and attentive the writing is: sick and twisted, for sure, but f'n BRILLIANT.

Again, it is clear the writer or writing team is actually 100% pro in general, and doesn't have to necessarily be writing a porn game, although it's probably more lucrative than other venues, at this point.

"Literati" keeps coming to mind with PC. For a fkn porn game. Ffs.

It helps that the visuals are so well in tune with the writing in most cases (despite a few cases where someone visually responds before they have lines for the response), that you can even get a show don't tell with the visuals in many cases: A WELL-PLANNED GAME.

Again, it is so difficult sometimes to have to choose between specific paths, because nearly every one of these women is someone you can empathize with (except Kathleen who needs to be permanently strapped in for unending use in a sex torture device) and who is just drop-dead gorgeous.

Allison is a freaking gem. Glad they added her. The rock gig scene bartender wasn't bad, either.

BTW, how exactly does one trigger the "Make a Move on Sad Lucy" sex scene? I tried changing around timing as to when I click on Lucy in the hall, and when I go to the housegirl dressing room relative to free roam, and I try all the options w/Lucy in various combos every time, and not a one of them leads to sex.

 

[sunaboz]

BTW, how exactly does one trigger the "Make a Move on Sad Lucy" sex scene? I tried changing around timing as to when I click on Lucy in the hall, and when I go to the housegirl dressing room relative to free roam, and I try all the options w/Lucy in various combos every time, and not a one of them leads to sex.

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

You need both Felicia's flag AND the variable that tracks you talking to Lucy during the date (vs the art critic branch) for it to ask you

 

[Ummmh]

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

TY!

Wow, that is a LOT of backtracking to get that scene.

Pretty sure I decided to be somewhat respectful to her or at least give my attention to somewhere else probably Felicia or the artist who she was there to honor.

Oh well. Price of not being a cad, I guess.

 

[Turret]

You had to kiss her/groped her during the art event on Felicia date.

TY!

Wow, that is a LOT of backtracking to get that scene.

Pretty sure I decided to be somewhat respectful to her or at least give my attention to somewhere else probably Felicia or the artist who she was there to honor.

Oh well. Price of not being a cad, I guess.

Yes, one can reach the Lucy scene in the new update by kissing her at the art exhibition, but it also needs the warning that you cut short the possible Confidence points gain of Felicia. After the Felicia date she can have 6-7 CPs, but if you pursue Lucy 4 ** seem to be the maximum you can gain then.
(Question from a non-English native: Why does this shortform get censored? )

 

[NadaMucho]

Just looking for a bit of clarity. I've skipped over almost all the post here to avoid spoilers but here is the basis for my question.

• I grabbed Chapter 4 Update 5 back in January, release on F95 was Jan 10th, 2025.
• Checked the page recently and saw that the release date changed to Sept 27th, 2025 and the release version as Chapter 4, Update 6 Early access.
• Checked the change log and it just says N/A for Chapter 4 Update 6 EA. Maybe no info OR no content.
• I grabbed the latest release from gofile and the zip contained a folder with the new version on it PaleCarnations-Ch4Up6-pc
• Loaded up the new version and tried to load my last save file which was at the point where the MC looks up the audition tape of Donovan and Victoria
• Skipped to the next frame and was met by the same End of Update screen seen in the C4Up5 release in January
• Figured maybe it was a bug or something so I started a new game, ran all the way through and it still stops at the same point, the Donovan and Victoria tape

So, does C4Up6 have no new content? Maybe I broke something with a mod that's blocking any new content? No shade either way just trying to understand the situation. Peace.

 

[Discrepancy]

Just looking for a bit of clarity. I've skipped over almost all the post here to avoid spoilers but here is the basis for my question.

• I grabbed Chapter 4 Update 5 back in January, release on F95 was Jan 10th, 2025.
• Checked the page recently and saw that the release date changed to Sept 27th, 2025 and the release version as Chapter 4, Update 6 Early access.
• Checked the change log and it just says N/A for Chapter 4 Update 6 EA. Maybe no info OR no content.
• I grabbed the latest release from gofile and the zip contained a folder with the new version on it PaleCarnations-Ch4Up6-pc
• Loaded up the new version and tried to load my last save file which was at the point where the MC looks up the audition tape of Donovan and Victoria
• Skipped to the next frame and was met by the same End of Update screen seen in the C4Up5 release in January
• Figured maybe it was a bug or something so I started a new game, ran all the way through and it still stops at the same point, the Donovan and Victoria tape

So, does C4Up6 have no new content? Maybe I broke something with a mod that's blocking any new content? No shade either way just trying to understand the situation. Peace.

It's the mod for sure.

 

[NadaMucho]

It's the mod for sure.

Good looking out Discrepancy. I'll check it out immediately.

 

[dolfe67]

(Question from a non-English native: Why does this shortform get censored? )

Probably due to rule 7

 

[Discrepancy]

Probably due to rule 7

Yeah, I replied and said what it was and my comment got deleted for inappropriate behavior
Dunno if it was auto-modded, if not pretty weird.

 

[NadaMucho]

It's the mod for sure.

Fresh extract got me past my last end point so thank you! I did put URM on and it seems to be working fine, detecting choices etc BUT if I try to search for a variable it all comes crashing down. No clue why but perhaps someone knows the deal with that one as well. Thanks again Discrepancy for getting me up and running.

 

[Discrepancy]

Fresh extract got me past my last end point so thank you! I did put URM on and it seems to be working fine, detecting choices etc BUT if I try to search for a variable it all comes crashing down. No clue why but perhaps someone knows the deal with that one as well. Thanks again Discrepancy for getting me up and running.

Glad it worked, I remember someone had the same problem a few days before and it was a mod.
Sorry to hear about you still having problems, maybe try playing without URM or any mod and come back later and replay the update when the mods get updated

 

[GamingSavant]

Turret
Vincenzo IS a total deviant, you have a scene in this very update where Allison was seeking clues and she found it in Vincenzo's ass. And while Joe Shelby and Kristoff are definitely the elite among patrons same can be said about Abel, Frank or Waylon (who seems to be some wolf from Wall Street, judging by comparison to Gordon Gekko).

Samson on the other hand might be the biggest deviant of them all judging by his comment here:

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I can agree that Eric wouldn't want to see this because Felicia is his favourite but then again he would most likely want to see Elias' expression when he would learn the truth about his wife so who knows.

Either way it would be strange if the rest of patrons wouldn't join in the event in a while (in fact I'm sure they will, this is the main perk of being the member of this club after all).


August is August and Chuck is Chuck. August is a tough gangster who would gut you if you looked at him wrong so it's no surprise he would say something like that. Kat is a pure sadist so she would like to see Elias squirm too most likely but Chuck? I can see him spilling the beans and saying something along the lines "just don't make it too obvious I've told you".

Chuck: "I won't tell Kathy you're slacking off if you don't tell her I stole your charge. Deal?"

Why would he want to keep his talk with Elias a secret from Kat otherwise? Well, there is more than one reason but it also aligns with the theory that Chuck told him what's what.

GamingSavant
Yeah, that "hazing" is the strongest argument against Chuck telling him about it, that's why I said "it wouldn't surprise me if...". I just find it plausible. Although, it's not like the blow Elias is dealt doesn't pack a punch, he just knows when it will come letting him mentally prepare for it so IMO it can go either way.

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

The only thing deteriorating away from that theory is how visibly angry and mortified Elias was at the footage. When Felicia tried to explain even a little he screamed "Shut the fuck up! You kept this from me!?" I doubt he's shocked Felicia cheated on him; it's pretty obvious they have a fairly open relationship and ground rules. The clear issue is Felicia was hiding a very big nasty secret from him in a way that if it was ever leaked, would only hurt him. That's the dirt they have on Elias: His wife is a slut at a gentleman's club.

That's why they hurried on initiating him; they didn't need anything else, his wife already sold him out on a silver platter. And it's also to keep him from hurting the club or any other member, because "A crow will not pull out the eye of another crow."

 

[ffive]

Fun fact: with game taking place in 2018, Edwin would be 3 years old in year 2000. At that time, flat TVs were still so much of a novelty, that should be a CRT box over there.

 

[Turret]

Probably due to rule 7

Yeah, I replied and said what it was and my comment got deleted for inappropriate behavior
Dunno if it was auto-modded, if not pretty weird.

Thanks! But why does the short for Confidence points get censored in one sentence and not in the other? Besides, what is the meaning of this, since in my native tongue there is nothing "naughty" or so coupled with the shortform?

 

[Ummmh]

Just looking for a bit of clarity. I've skipped over almost all the post here to avoid spoilers but here is the basis for my question.

• I grabbed Chapter 4 Update 5 back in January, release on F95 was Jan 10th, 2025.
• Checked the page recently and saw that the release date changed to Sept 27th, 2025 and the release version as Chapter 4, Update 6 Early access.
• Checked the change log and it just says N/A for Chapter 4 Update 6 EA. Maybe no info OR no content.
• I grabbed the latest release from gofile and the zip contained a folder with the new version on it PaleCarnations-Ch4Up6-pc
• Loaded up the new version and tried to load my last save file which was at the point where the MC looks up the audition tape of Donovan and Victoria
• Skipped to the next frame and was met by the same End of Update screen seen in the C4Up5 release in January
• Figured maybe it was a bug or something so I started a new game, ran all the way through and it still stops at the same point, the Donovan and Victoria tape

So, does C4Up6 have no new content? Maybe I broke something with a mod that's blocking any new content? No shade either way just trying to understand the situation. Peace.

Up6 Gets you all the way to the big bad Elias reveal: the Hell Week show's beginning.

 

[Discrepancy]

Thanks! But why does the short for Confidence points get censored in one sentence and not in the other? Besides, what is the meaning of this, since in my native tongue there is nothing "naughty" or so coupled with the shortform?

I recommend you google what those initials means, I had a reply moderated already and don't want another

 

[Turret]

Turret
Vincenzo IS a total deviant, you have a scene in this very update where Allison was seeking clues and she found it in Vincenzo's ass. And while Joe Shelby and Kristoff are definitely the elite among patrons same can be said about Abel, Frank or Waylon (who seems to be some wolf from Wall Street, judging by comparison to Gordon Gekko).

Samson on the other hand might be the biggest deviant of them all judging by his comment here:

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I can agree that Eric wouldn't want to see this because Felicia is his favourite but then again he would most likely want to see Elias' expression when he would learn the truth about his wife so who knows.

Either way it would be strange if the rest of patrons wouldn't join in the event in a while (in fact I'm sure they will, this is the main perk of being the member of this club after all).


August is August and Chuck is Chuck. August is a tough gangster who would gut you if you looked at him wrong so it's no surprise he would say something like that. Kat is a pure sadist so she would like to see Elias squirm too most likely but Chuck? I can see him spilling the beans and saying something along the lines "just don't make it too obvious I've told you".

Chuck: "I won't tell Kathy you're slacking off if you don't tell her I stole your charge. Deal?"

Why would he want to keep his talk with Elias a secret from Kat otherwise? Well, there is more than one reason but it also aligns with the theory that Chuck told him what's what.

GamingSavant
Yeah, that "hazing" is the strongest argument against Chuck telling him about it, that's why I said "it wouldn't surprise me if...". I just find it plausible. Although, it's not like the blow Elias is dealt doesn't pack a punch, he just knows when it will come letting him mentally prepare for it so IMO it can go either way.

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

Hi sunaboz !
Sorry, I think you misunderstood how I used deviant here. Neither Vincenzo, Samson nor Erik run around all day thinking about new possibilities to hurt and destroy others like Chuck and especially Kath do. Even sexually they are far from true deviancy, there are "practises" far worse than what we saw from the more mormal members.

August is a tough one, that´s right, but you overlook why I mentioned him. He says that he´ll never understand what Kath and Chuck think and is also concerned that what remains of their sanity is rapidly going down. He more or less gives a damn about the Carnation games, the functioning of the bordello is more important to him. I think white and grey Edwins can hope for support from August taking down Kath and Chuck, if we have good relations with him and Hana.

Sorry, but your theory gets threadbare with the fact that Shelby alludes to blackmail material Chuck and Kath have on all of them and Elias being truly shocked. He is not depicted like Allison, who can act convincingly, instead Elias's shock would be an Oscar-worthy performance, if false.

I recommend you google what those initials means, I had a reply moderated already and don't want another

Looked in the Merriam-Webster under abreviations and can still not see what is so bad. There is only one I could say can be misunderstandable, but the sentences makes it clear that it is not the case here? Moving on and a round of headshakes.

 

[NadaMucho]

If anyone wants to challenge the notion that this writer is hilarious I give you this render. The city's best rolling on ecstasy and pounding OE 800! Gotta love the premium club in the highest circles of society is well stocked in 40s of malt liquor!

 

[bonerland]

If anyone wants to challenge the notion that this writer is hilarious I give you this render. The city's best rolling on ecstasy and pounding OE 800! Gotta love the premium club in the highest circles of society is well stocked in 40s of malt liquor!

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When I heard him asking for malt and the others give him shit over it, I thought to myself “malt whisky is the good stuff, what’s their dea-oh shit.”