VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Krytax123]

I dont really get all the fuss about Kathleen being so vile (in this circumstance) and i like felicia but what did she expect? Was it really totally out of the imagination that what shes doing could somehow be leaked to her husband? In a enviorement where everyone is looking for leverage about everyone even when they are part of the group?

Its probably better for her that its out in the open now, at least nobody else from the club can use it as blackmail leverage now.

It wasnt Kathleen who put felicia's life in jeopardy, it was felicia herself. And about the pity some characters (like August, MC) felt for Elias ... is it really better to be unaware that your wife is a carnation compared to be aware of it (and therefore able to make a decision about it).

I get that we all like Felicia, shes awesome, but there isnt anyone to blame for this but herself imo.

Funny thing is and rather unexpected, after seeing Elias reaction and how he felt about the carnations in general (it felt like he has respect for the ... comitment? determination?), i feel like it could actually improve her marriage (at least if she wins) lol

 

[ename144]

I told Ian about Victoria's past and he really appreciated it, yet when I asked him to come visit Victoria, he refused saying "Uhh... I have breakfast with Uncle Chuck" which MC thinks in his monlogue "BS."

Hana (I'm on Hana goth gf route) notices the hand.
Is the Ian coming factor influenced by Hana gf factor (i.e. if I'm on Hana gf route, Ian will not come)?
Or is it simply that my MC's bromance stat with Ian is not high enough?

Looking at the Killian Bromance stats, it's 32.
I honestly have no idea whether there is a maximum stats cap for Ian like there are for LIs.
Makes me wonder whether I screwed up in some decisions early on in the game if that really is the case (and Ian visiting Victoria in the morning with MC after finding out about her past is entirely dependent on bromance points).

Unless it's being particularly sneaky, the only flag the game looks for when determining if Ian accompanies the MC to visit Victoria (in addition to telling him the truth, which is necessary to get the choice to invite him in the first place) is "ianIntrospect == True", which is gained by encouraging Ian to introspect early in Chapter 4. Hana's status has no impact.

Bear in mind, however, that Ian will initially say he's okay with Victoria's past even if he's non-introspective. You'll know you're on the right track if Ian claims he's happy to know the truth before he and the MC go home for the night (right before the decision to delete Victoria's old videos). If he instead says he wishes he didn't know, that indicates he just isn't self-aware enough to comprehend how Victoria can be a devoted mother and still film porn scenes - hence Ian getting drunk and avoiding the whole thing the next morning.

 

[JJJ84]

Unless it's being particularly sneaky, the only flag the game looks for when determining if Ian accompanies the MC to visit Victoria (in addition to telling him the truth, which is necessary to get the choice to invite him in the first place) is "ianIntrospect == True", which is gained by encouraging Ian to introspect early in Chapter 4. Hana's status has no impact.

Bear in mind, however, that Ian will initially say he's okay with Victoria's past even if he's non-introspective. You'll know you're on the right track if Ian claims he's happy to know the truth before he and the MC go home for the night (right before the decision to delete Victoria's old videos). If he instead says he wishes he didn't know, that indicates he just isn't self-aware enough to comprehend how Victoria can be a devoted mother and still film porn scenes - hence Ian getting drunk and avoiding the whole thing the next morning.

I think I'm gonna test it out by replaying the game from beginning; well with ctrl fast skip of course .
See if I can get a different outcome.

 

[Hiarus]

I dont really get all the fuss about Kathleen being so vile (in this circumstance) and i like felicia but what did she expect? Was it really totally out of the imagination that what shes doing could somehow be leaked to her husband? In a enviorement where everyone is looking for leverage about everyone even when they are part of the group?

Its probably better for her that its out in the open now, at least nobody else from the club can use it as blackmail leverage now.

It wasnt Kathleen who put felicia's life in jeopardy, it was felicia herself. And about the pity some characters (like August, MC) felt for Elias ... is it really better to be unaware that your wife is a carnation compared to be aware of it (and therefore able to make a decision about it).

I get that we all like Felicia, shes awesome, but there isnt anyone to blame for this but herself imo.

Funny thing is and rather unexpected, after seeing Elias reaction and how he felt about the carnations in general (it felt like he has respect for the ... comitment? determination?), i feel like it could actually improve her marriage (at least if she wins) lol

Got me thinking what her reaction is gonna be after the initial shock washes out; is she gonna overcorrect and stop seeing other people out of guilt? Is she gonna try to bail? Are we gonna get a "Felicia staying at Edwin's house to avoid the drama" arc?

This kinda stuff is why I reaaaally wish they hadn't ended the update there

 

[Deleted member 8740082]

I want one of the LI's to get fucked in front of Edwin

 

[Darreau91]

I want one of the LI's to get fucked in front of Edwin

Hana and Mina are going to put Edwins voyeur trait to good use I hope.

 

[FRVN]

I want one of the LI's to get fucked in front of Edwin

There have been at least two occasions where this has happened so far; one is Rose during the second exhibition, if you choose to let Ian shoot the porn video with her, and the second is the Mina/Felicia threesome after Felicia's art exhibition date, if you choose not to interrupt them. Then there's Mina/Veronica, but that wasn't in front of Edwin (and also was just oral).

 

[Turret]

I mean sure it wouldn't be as easy, but on the other hand, there's something to be said about experience and refinement gained with age. Case in point, we have people in this very thread who go for Felicia over girls like Hana or Mina, which i think can easily be argued are pretty much on top of that "20 year-olds" pile. So evidently the appeal isn't as simple as "low age trumps all".

Hi!
Quite correct. When we look at the ages of the main and important side girls, we see some clear age "jumps". Mina is the youngest as a still teenager, Hana is early Twen. Then we have a jump with Andrea and Sophia next, older Twen and early Thirties. The Carnations are in their mid-thirties, Lucy and Dalia too.

 

[Turret]

Why not August?
Cause typically August's relationship points clashes against relationship points of either Dr. Chuck & Hana, who both use non-brutal methods (compared to August who in essence, using violence is the primary way to raise up his RP).

Hi again!
I was able to max August and Hana points, also helping their relationship without relying on the "brutality points". I think you missed some early August points in your playthrough.

 

[JJJ84]

Hi again!
I was able to max August and Hana points, also helping their relationship without relying on the "brutality points". I think you missed some early August points in your playthrough.

I think it's likely there's more clashes of conflict between August and Dr Chuck than between August and Hana (even though there are some, from what I recall not as many as between August & Chuck).
I have much higher points with Chuck than with August.

Unless you were able to max Dr Chuck as well in your playthrough somehow (which I kinda doubt, unless a mod is used to edit points) given game forces you to pick between Chuck vs August methods several times.

 

[Turret]

I think it's likely there's more clashes of conflict between August and Dr Chuck than between August and Hana (even though there are some, from what I recall not as many as between August & Chuck).
I have much higher points with Chuck than with August.

Unless you were able to max Dr Chuck as well in your playthrough somehow (which I kinda doubt, unless a mod is used to edit points) given game forces you to pick between Chuck vs August methods several times.

I had for a time both at max, but lost Chuck points elsewhere, not specifically because of differences with August. I could not remax the Chuck score later on due to several of his points attached to his brand of mental issues.

 

[ffive]

Unless you were able to max Dr Chuck as well in your playthrough somehow (which I kinda doubt, unless a mod is used to edit points) given game forces you to pick between Chuck vs August methods several times.

You can get maxed out relationship with both in this update. Or to be exact, you could max relationship with Chuck before, but in this one you can get 2 points with August, which brings him to max as well if you didn't antagonize him before.

 

[Ummmh]

I mean sure it wouldn't be as easy, but on the other hand, there's something to be said about experience and refinement gained with age. Case in point, we have people in this very thread who go for Felicia over girls like Hana or Mina, which i think can easily be argued are pretty much on top of that "20 year-olds" pile. So evidently the appeal isn't as simple as "low age trumps all".

The type of guy Fel's gold-digging for likely isn't interested in experience and refinement; they want VERY young and breedable trophy wives.

Fel isn't after a guy who made his first mil just last week; she's after a guy with "10 million dollars in his pocket". That's a guy with 100 mil+ in the bank, and not only are there a LOT less of those than just "millionaires", they are:

1) Likely to already be married. REALLY likely.

2) Likely to know Elias personally ("it's a small club, and you ain't in it", as said by George Carlin), so not want his "cast-offs".

3) Overwhelmingly likely to be acquisition-OBSESSED, (they didn't get THAT rich if morals or a simple life of wisdom factored over wealth), so probably obsessively greedy and selfish materialists, with a LARGE percentage being narcissists.

Such types tend to be massively concerned about the "value" the new wife brings, with a weighting towards not wanting a woman who has "hit the wall" of her mid-30s. That ~35 yrs age bracket is a HARD PASS for a lot of the narcissistic self-described "alpha' millionaires and billionaires.

THAT sort of guy is cruising for his second or third wife, because the one he bought 10 yrs ago is looking more like Fel is now, than say, a Mina, AND THOSE TYPES WANT A MINA; they figure they can train a barely-legal bimbo to look refined, but the plastic surgery used in maintaining "the old gal" has started to show its seams, so time to dump her and get a newer model. To them, younger is always better.

Elias is a weird case, because he inherited, so didn"t have as much of the greed angle, seemingly has SOME morals, and held onto Fel as she got to her 30s (tho is still cheating on her) but, for all his seeming niceness, still flatly refused to pay out even a pittance to help keep open an art school that was the one shining gem of hope in a poor community. The big-money bracket is a profile that oft pans out.

BTW.. Note how often Allison, who is on Elias's arm, gets compared to Fel. While the club arranged it, Elias might still have been trying out Felicia v2.0.

Ultra rich folks didn't get rich by having morals, or giving a sheet abt personality. Don't assume that demographic gives sheet one what a woman's experience brings, as this is the Epstein-flight-list crowd we are talking abt: they will be programming the new slave girl to behave as THEY please, anyway, so want the cup empty for them to fill. Young and fill-able.. That ain't Fel, anymore. ( EDIT: OK, yeah, she is fill-able (very fill-able)... Just not malleable. )

PS.. The art of Honey Select games (like this one) keeps gals hot unless it wildly exaggerates their age, so how Fel would look IRL is debateable. She has access to top-dollar cosmetics and likely "had some work done", but probably is showing her age a bit, nonetheless, despite the game art keeping her evergreen.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

Various character can comment on the MC's hand, but there's a lot of branching. Ian will ask if he came along to visit Victoria in the morning. Hana will ask about it if you visit her home on the GF route. Felicia will likewise ask if the MC ended their art date with her alone (no threesome with Mina). I don't think anyone else will comment on the injury, but it's possible I missed something.

Whoops, I guess Ian is lost to me, he didn't want to come to see Vic.

Oh well, guy was too broken in a Bro way anyway (?). Edwin has things/ex-GFs to do!

 

[ffive]

Fel isn't after a guy who made his first mil just last week;

You really think she would snub a guy with "just" couple millions when the alternative is literal decades of getting exploited and fucked at a brothel with nothing to show for it? *

NGL, it feels like a pretty wild take. "If i can't dine at 5-star restaurant i'd rather eat shit from dog bowl than have regular, 4-star meals".

*) not like this is actually a serious alternative in the first place. Unlike other Carnations, Felicia didn't join the contest because she was in dire straits financially. Similarly, if she doesn't win it's not like she owes the club anything or needs their assistance. She can go and do anything else with her life, whether this is looking for a millionaire to charm or a basic job and taking up painting in her spare time.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

iirc choosing sophia instead of kathleen in that week 2 punishment also help build rapport with sophia

Hi! As I wrote before, Sophia only comes to talk during the orgy if she likes you. For that you have to start from the beginning. You probably also did not choose her during the Kath and Sophia scene in the blue room, since you have no good relations with her.
first off, when you meet Sophia in the club bar, take her hand, when the option pops up. During the Kath and Sophia scene in the blue room choose Sophia. Do not insult her during the "flat invasion", accept her apology, talk with her during the free roam, do not take drugs. That should help you.

AFAICT, these are all the Sophia Rapport points currently available in the game:

• +1 if you push back against her initial apology
• +1 if you're distracted by her breasts when she visits in the morning
• +1 if you accept her apology before she leaves
• +1 if you say you liked her angry outburst when talking to her during the free roam in the Club
• +1 if you look at her tits rather than taking her hand off your chest
• -2 if you take her hand off her chest rather than look at her tits (to a minimum of 0)

Sophia will have an extended discussion with the MC during the orgy (thus allowing you to choose her sex scene) if you have 3 or more Rapport points. In essence that means you *need* to stare at her tits in the Club, plus pick any two of the other options listed.

He must be really antagonize sophia for to not get sophia scene with how many chances you can build sophia's relationship points lol

Turns out all I had to do was go to my save where I accepted her apology and it seems I had all the points I needed. I don´t remember if there was a choice between Sophia and Kathleen at any point, but if the option to choose neither of them existed, that´s probably what I chose. If I was forced to pick, than I´m sure it was Sophia, since I can´t stand Kathleen (I can´t stand 90% of the people who run that club).
In the save where I didn´t accept her apology, she came to talk to me during the orgy, I just didn´t have the option to follow her and have the sex scene with her, so I was probably in a sort of limbo situation, where I had the necessary points to get her to talk to me but not enough to go the extra step.

I’m ready to sell MC’s soul to the devil (in this case, Kath) for him to get revenge on that smoking hot redheaded MILF (aka Ian’s mom) with psychological cruelty so intense it’s worthy of a Japanese thriller directed by Sion Sono!

I already wanted to do that with the way she treats Ian.

I want one of the LI's to get fucked in front of Edwin

Which one? And do you mean watching them get dick or some lesbian action?

 

[Fapparition]

so he gets drunk

Ooh, I'm afraid he doesn't just get drunk that night...

 

[dolfe67]

The type of guy Fel's gold-digging for likely isn't interested in experience and refinement; they want VERY young and breedable trophy wives.

Fel isn't after a guy who made his first mil just last week; she's after a guy with "10 million dollars in his pocket". That's a guy with 100 mil+ in the bank, and not only are there a LOT less of those than just "millionaires", they are:

1) Likely to already be married. REALLY likely.

2) Likely to know Elias personally ("it's a small club, and you ain't in it", as said by George Carlin), so not want his "cast-offs".

3) Overwhelmingly likely to be acquisition-OBSESSED, (they didn't get THAT rich if morals or a simple life of wisdom factored over wealth), so probably obsessively greedy and selfish materialists, with a LARGE percentage being narcissists.

Such types tend to be massively concerned about the "value" the new wife brings, with a weighting towards not wanting a woman who has "hit the wall" of her mid-30s. That ~35 yrs age bracket is a HARD PASS for a lot of the narcissistic self-described "alpha' millionaires and billionaires.

THAT sort of guy is cruising for his second or third wife, because the one he bought 10 yrs ago is looking more like Fel is now, than say, a Mina, AND THOSE TYPES WANT A MINA; they figure they can train a barely-legal bimbo to look refined, but the plastic surgery used in maintaining "the old gal" has started to show its seams, so time to dump her and get a newer model. To them, younger is always better.

Elias is a weird case, because he inherited, so didn"t have as much of the greed angle, seemingly has SOME morals, and held onto Fel as she got to her 30s (tho is still cheating on her) but, for all his seeming niceness, still flatly refused to pay out even a pittance to help keep open an art school that was the one shining gem of hope in a poor community. The big-money bracket is a profile that oft pans out.

BTW.. Note how often Allison, who is on Elias's arm, gets compared to Fel. While the club arranged it, Elias might still have been trying out Felicia v2.0.

Ultra rich folks didn't get rich by having morals, or giving a sheet abt personality. Don't assume that demographic gives sheet one what a woman's experience brings, as this is the Epstein-flight-list crowd we are talking abt: they will be programming the new slave girl to behave as THEY please, anyway, so want the cup empty for them to fill. Young and fill-able.. That ain't Fel, anymore. ( EDIT: OK, yeah, she is fill-able (very fill-able)... Just not malleable. )

PS.. The art of Honey Select games (like this one) keeps gals hot unless it wildly exaggerates their age, so how Fel would look IRL is debateable. She has access to top-dollar cosmetics and likely "had some work done", but probably is showing her age a bit, nonetheless, despite the game art keeping her evergreen.

2 points:
- Elias is not cheating, they have a kind of open relationship. He's lying to Felicia not because of Allison but because of the club
- Keeping gals hot is not only done with Honey Select, you can also have hot "milf" of ~38 year old in DAZ who don't look their age. It's just a porn game thing

 

[victoryroad]

Damn this update was good!! And the dev made it such a difficult decision to choose between Sophia or Allison. Sophia is so intriguing to such an extent that you just have to find out what's underneath all the games she's playing. And Allison, she's temptation turned up to a 100, a bimbo version of Felicia and you want to fuck her brains out.

And Elias actually seems decent compared to all the other scum in the club, did not expect that.

 

[shroomify]

And Elias actually seems decent compared to all the other scum in the club, did not expect that.

I suppose. However it seems he is not above taking advantage of the clients that he represents. If you pay attention during the interview you see he leaves to take advantage of one of the "troublesome" actresses that his subordinate has plied with drugs.