VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Kameri]

Simpgor
Depending on Chuck's involvement (I assume she met him at Donny's studio while someone was balls deep in her, although who knows) she might have thought that her son was also doing porn, considering how evasive he was when talking about the job. That would also explain why Edwin was so understanding :].

BTW, I wonder whether Victoria is still in contact with Donny. That wouldn't surprise me to be honest. And yeah, I found it very irresponsible that she would have a porn conversation with her employer when her son might have heard it. As I've said earlier, Grace is a better mother than Victoria, period.

Edwin: "Does it matter? I put two and two together after remembering a conversation I heard you had with a, uh... Donny(?) when I was a kid."

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If possible, we should also run a poll like this here.

 

[Ottoeight]

Hana

"Hana. What else?"

 

[Turret]

So... Who's the winner?

Without even looking at spoilers I would say Hana among the main girls, Sophia among the other girls. I doubt much changed since TD mentioned this quite some time ago.

 

[Idontplay]

Just go into this game - have my doubts on the tone of the game, but it's surprisingly wholesome

Mina, Hana are absolute fire. And for side girls Sophia is just ridiculous and the actress Alice..something (can't think of her name now) scene had me like

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bonus, no ntr nonsense. Such an incredible game.

Well if you follow the Hana's boyfriend path, you are in a ntr path (or is it nts?), but it seems it doesn't count.

 

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[dolfe67]

Well if you follow the Hana's boyfriend path, you are in a ntr path (or is it nts?), but it seems it doesn't count.

What? Hana doesn't fuck anybody else, how is it ntr? If the MC fucks other girls outside the club, it's just cheating. She's ok with him fucking the carnations during the exhibitions though.

 

[Simpgor]

What? Hana doesn't fuck anybody else, how is it ntr? If the MC fucks other girls outside the club, it's just cheating. She's ok with him fucking the carnations during the exhibitions though.

Maybe Kathleen touching her?
Hana getting looked at by other guys?
Hana in a room with guys not named Edwin?

 

[Idontplay]

Exactly! There is the "conventional ntr (or simply ntr)", in which the woman fucks other men and there is the "rerverse ntr", in which the man is the one who fucks other women. If you follow the Hana's boyfriend path, you are de facto in a reverse ntr path.
Or it is nts? I'm not sure if in this contest it is more appropriate say "reverse netorare" or "reverse netorase", but this isn't the point.

 

[Meiri]

Exactly! There is the "conventional ntr (or simply ntr)", in which the woman fucks other men and there is the "rerverse ntr", in which the man is the one who fucks other women. If you follow the Hana's boyfriend path, you are de facto in a reverse ntr path.
Or it is nts? I'm not sure if in this contest it is more appropriate say "reverse netorare" or "reverse netorase", but this isn't the point.

Netorare is usually explored from the perspective of the person being cheated on, In Netori the perspective is on you "stealing" another guy's wife or gf, I think that's important because it's usually what people assume when they see those tags.
Here so far I would describe it as just plain cheating because the focus hasn't been on Hana discovering it or dealing with it, so not the usual Netorare or Netori focus.

 

[ename144]

Could you share what she could have added? Genuinely interested because IMO even without her confession Edwin is still only a single step removed from "knowing" that Chuck has been involved since Victora started thanks to Andrea introducing him to the producer. I agree that the more time we have to stew on "the decision" the better but realistically due to the nature of the game (VN) I didnt think it would be a week out. Doubly so when the exhibitions are already so deep and complex and naturally a "game ending decision" type choice should have more than just simple dialog changes.

IMHO the MC learning that, say, Chuck knew about Victoria's career and made it a point to watch some of her films or even sponsored her to make a few to his specifications would have added a much needed tension to the Club scenes later in the Update. As is, it feels like the MC is making a concerted effort not to dwell on any of the (many!) unsavory things he sees as the night unfolds.

To a certain extent I get it; the MC isn't willing to openly defy Kathleen about Felicia, and he wants a break from worrying about Darius and his mom. But it's a stark contrast from his normal, almost crippling introspection. The end result is a sense that the MC has fully bought into his new life - even if his actions to that point demonstrate that he has not. If the MC had to juggle his rational need for the job with his emotional revulsion at the darker side of Chuck finally coming into view, I think it would have allowed events to play out with a lot more nuance and still fit into the larger picture.

But that's just my take. It's entirely possible this wouldn't have worked with whatever TD has planned for us.

All of this is off the assumption that the shake up when the full backstory is revealed is going to be pretty intense. I mean edwin doesnt even really like grace (beyond her being hot) and he still punched a wall, I just dont see a more intense version of that playing well with all the stresses of the exhibition...but him going off on Kathleen as soon as she talks any shit would be funny

I have to assume the shake up is going to be at least somewhat intense, as otherwise why not put all the cards on the table now?

But there are degrees of intensity here. Obviously learning that, say, Chuck raped Vicky or anything like that would provoke a game terminating response immediately, but I think there are dramatic reveals that could still leave the MC capable of playing nice with his employers even if he was inwardly pissed at them. The MC only flipped out when he learned that Grace tried to blackmail his mom into controlling his friend (and Grace's on son!), and even then he got himself back under control pretty quickly. That's a high bar to match, much less exceed.

Edit: Doesnt Edwin already heavily question the Club? Or do you mean specifically in relation to Victoria?

I mean in general, not specifically about Vicky. The MC has questioned the Club in the past, though he generally does so obliquely, even in his own mind. There are only a handful of times when he's expressed genuine doubt about whether he wants to keep working there, and most of those are framed as it not being a long-term career.

As we get closer to the end of the game, I feel like it's time for the MC to start contemplating his feelings on the Club a little more vigorously (assuming we encourage that angle, obviously). Instead, it felt to me like the MC toned down his oblique criticism instead, which was very frustrating to me. YMMV.

 

[DarkLords00]

IMHO the MC learning that, say, Chuck knew about Victoria's career and made it a point to watch some of her films or even sponsored her to make a few to his specifications would have added a much needed tension to the Club scenes later in the Update. As is, it feels like the MC is making a concerted effort not to dwell on any of the (many!) unsavory things he sees as the night unfolds.

To a certain extent I get it; the MC isn't willing to openly defy Kathleen about Felicia, and he wants a break from worrying about Darius and his mom. But it's a stark contrast from his normal, almost crippling introspection. The end result is a sense that the MC has fully bought into his new life - even if his actions to that point demonstrate that he has not. If the MC had to juggle his rational need for the job with his emotional revulsion at the darker side of Chuck finally coming into view, I think it would have allowed events to play out with a lot more nuance and still fit into the larger picture.

But that's just my take. It's entirely possible this wouldn't have worked with whatever TD has planned for us.

Unfortunately, I think this is a side effect of how the narrative is constructed, since the story is building up to the MC making the final choice of staying or leaving the Club Edwin can't feel too strongly against the place otherwise he would choose to bail on them earlier. It's the same thing how an introspective Ian if called by Edwin to help creer up Victoria he will rant about how shitty he feels about himself with his actions towards Mina and newfound feelings of disgust towards Victoria but he won't mention to Edwin anyting about him feeling bad for any of the stuff he has done at the club.

Hopefully, once we enter the final week Edwin and Killian will be already pretty much set on their feelings regarding what has happened in the club and what they both have done inside it.

 

[dolfe67]

The dichotomy of the MC, and the players, the ones who want to embrace the club and the others who want to burn it down, is kinda hard to manage. Good luck to the devs.

 

[emme_]

Hey guys, how do I get August to trust me? Thank you

 

[Turret]

I mean in general, not specifically about Vicky. The MC has questioned the Club in the past, though he generally does so obliquely, even in his own mind. There are only a handful of times when he's expressed genuine doubt about whether he wants to keep working there, and most of those are framed as it not being a long-term career.

As we get closer to the end of the game, I feel like it's time for the MC to start contemplating his feelings on the Club a little more vigorously (assuming we encourage that angle, obviously). Instead, it felt to me like the MC toned down his oblique criticism instead, which was very frustrating to me. YMMV.

Hi ename144!
Like DarkLords00 already mentioned, since we the players have options how we can play our hero, from total revulsion to total debauchery, Edwin currently cannot feel/introspect too much one way or the other on the main storyline so far. But our choices count, add up and give us responses. Like in the orgy. If you wade in and have fun, you get the feedback "I love Carnations club" several times. You take a few steps more along the dark path of corruption, since the mono- and dialog makes it pretty clear that you do not simply swim along in the stream, but partake with intention.

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Doing nothing at all is showing the way to the white path. You even learn more about what a sinkhole of humanity Chuck and Kath made the club.

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And last, but not least Sophia´s way, the grey path. She opposes the Club, but also takes some enjoyment. But different from the others, in their own space.

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Hey guys, how do I get August to trust me? Thank you

August is not easy to get to trust you. You have to gather several trust points for this. Currently you can max your relations with him and on the way to be trusted, but unless I overlooked a choice, the rest of the needed trust points can only be gathered in future updates.

 

[TD1900]

To a certain extent I get it; the MC isn't willing to openly defy Kathleen about Felicia, and he wants a break from worrying about Darius and his mom. But it's a stark contrast from his normal, almost crippling introspection. The end result is a sense that the MC has fully bought into his new life - even if his actions to that point demonstrate that he has not. If the MC had to juggle his rational need for the job with his emotional revulsion at the darker side of Chuck finally coming into view, I think it would have allowed events to play out with a lot more nuance and still fit into the larger picture.

But that's just my take. It's entirely possible this wouldn't have worked with whatever TD has planned for us.

I like to think at this point Edwin's ability to compartmentalize is established. It was a deliberate choice to cut out the usual noise in his head, as at this point in the story, it's been beaten to death. There's a train barreling toward Felicia that he can do nothing about, on a path she put herself on. Quantum Edwin obviously doesn't feel great about it, but the club's cruelty is also becoming business as usual.

Something will certainly need to pull him from his growing complacency, eh? That is the line of thinking.

 

[T51bwinterized]

I do like where we are as far as settup.

Mina's been settup for a discovery of the club during this coming week. I'm hoping that it happens near the start of the week, so that way that conflict can hang over the rest of the final quarter of the game. It's been teased out so long that it's better if there's *some* time for it to play out.

Hana has her conflict nicely settup. My prediction for the next segment is that she's going to have to do something during the exhibition that genuinely challenges her morals, or else she'll discover a part of herself in the proceedings that leaves her revolted and unsure if she should come back again.

Then each of the three contestants appears to be in the midst of some kind of settup that's leaving them in a position where the club may "Own" them if they lose. Felicia losing her kushy trophy wife life, Rose's debt being bought by the club. I assume there's some kind of finale to the "gym" arc with Veronica that's being settup with Samson for her Week 4 storyline.

@TD1900 My one request (speaking as a Patron) is that we get some kind of scene involving Hana in a "Carnation" collar and stockings. You've already settup the "Roleplaying as a Whore" kink, but all the versions of it so far have been tame. I'd really go crazy for a scene where she wants to show the MC something, and she's waiting for him in the dungeons in a carnation collar, to be his "personal" carnation.

Maybe you have plans for her that remove the need for any such roleplay dimension, but that's the potential scene I'd find hottest.

 

[Simpgor]

The dichotomy of the MC, and the players, the ones who want to embrace the club and the others who want to burn it down, is kinda hard to manage. Good luck to the devs.

There is a perk called firestarter but where is the perk called "club stayer" seems pretty clear cut to me

 

[Ozymandias037]

So... Who's the winner?

Us. All of us players. Obviously.

Exactly! There is the "conventional ntr (or simply ntr)", in which the woman fucks other men and there is the "rerverse ntr", in which the man is the one who fucks other women. If you follow the Hana's boyfriend path, you are de facto in a reverse ntr path.
Or it is nts? I'm not sure if in this contest it is more appropriate say "reverse netorare" or "reverse netorase", but this isn't the point.

In this case, what some people are choosing to call cheating or "reverse NTR" or whatever, Hana and Edwin think of as "Edwin literally doing his job." Assuming, of course, that Edwin sticks to his promise of staying away from others outside the exhibitions.

IMHO the MC learning that, say, Chuck knew about Victoria's career and made it a point to watch some of her films or even sponsored her to make a few to his specifications would have added a much needed tension to the Club scenes later in the Update. As is, it feels like the MC is making a concerted effort not to dwell on any of the (many!) unsavory things he sees as the night unfolds.

To a certain extent I get it; the MC isn't willing to openly defy Kathleen about Felicia, and he wants a break from worrying about Darius and his mom. But it's a stark contrast from his normal, almost crippling introspection. The end result is a sense that the MC has fully bought into his new life - even if his actions to that point demonstrate that he has not. If the MC had to juggle his rational need for the job with his emotional revulsion at the darker side of Chuck finally coming into view, I think it would have allowed events to play out with a lot more nuance and still fit into the larger picture.

But that's just my take. It's entirely possible this wouldn't have worked with whatever TD has planned for us.


I have to assume the shake up is going to be at least somewhat intense, as otherwise why not put all the cards on the table now?

But there are degrees of intensity here. Obviously learning that, say, Chuck raped Vicky or anything like that would provoke a game terminating response immediately, but I think there are dramatic reveals that could still leave the MC capable of playing nice with his employers even if he was inwardly pissed at them. The MC only flipped out when he learned that Grace tried to blackmail his mom into controlling his friend (and Grace's on son!), and even then he got himself back under control pretty quickly. That's a high bar to match, much less exceed.


I mean in general, not specifically about Vicky. The MC has questioned the Club in the past, though he generally does so obliquely, even in his own mind. There are only a handful of times when he's expressed genuine doubt about whether he wants to keep working there, and most of those are framed as it not being a long-term career.

As we get closer to the end of the game, I feel like it's time for the MC to start contemplating his feelings on the Club a little more vigorously (assuming we encourage that angle, obviously). Instead, it felt to me like the MC toned down his oblique criticism instead, which was very frustrating to me. YMMV.

I like your thinking here. We're somewhere around the end of Act 2 in a standard 3-act story structure, and that means we're going to start seeing more movement and character growth from Edwin as we move towards the conclusion. (Okay, no, not necessarily, but I trust TD on this one). One of the big character moments I expect is an emotional resolution to Edwin's issues* and as part of that I think we're going to see less compartmentalizing and passivity. Edwin will start exhibiting agency instead of simply going with the flow. He'll have his anagnorises and do what needs to be done to extricate himself from his emotional labyrinth and keep his sanity. Or he won't; he'll give in to his darker urges and become just as corrupt and hedonistic as Chuck and Kathleen, and PC will end up a tragedy instead of a comedy (in the original Greek sense of those words). I would imagine that the choices we make as players over the course of the game will have quite a bit to do with the way that turns out.

Either way, I think we all need to buckle up because the roller coaster is just getting started.



*I don't mean necessarily that Edwin will emerge completely well-adjusted and over his baggage and live happily ever after; That would be silly. He's gonna need a great deal of therapy for that one. Nor do I necessarily think every single little story thread will be wrapped up neatly. The core of any story is the emotional journey, and that's the resolution I'm talking about here.

 

[Idontplay]

In this case, what some people are choosing to call cheating or "reverse NTR" or whatever, Hana and Edwin think of as "Edwin literally doing his job." Assuming, of course, that Edwin sticks to his promise of staying away from others outside the exhibitions.

Well, actually my post was intended like a joke about the people, who ask contiously if there are ntr contents in this game: you can say: «Yes! But Hana is the ntred.». Unfortunately I have adopted an extremely poor choice of words, so it seems more a serious statement, than a sarcastic joke.

 

[lustforsex]

I share the sentiments of those who would like to see Edwin finally take a more active role. Right now, it's fair to say he's more of a passive observer, just going with the flow. On the other hand, how can you not go with the flow when you realize the club is two sides of the same coin? Some people come there of their own free will, while others take advantage of it. Incidentally, this applies to Edwin as well. And Edwin himself doesn't have any powers and this isn't some kind of AVN about power fantasy, so don't expect a sharp plot twist like in many games. I think there will be one, but not as cliched as some players would like.

In this regard, Edwin needs some kind of push that's directly related to him, his future, or his position. Will it be related to Darius, or to Victoria and Chuck's past connection, or perhaps something else entirely? During the week leading up to the final, fourth exhibition, we'll finally learn the answers to these questions, and Edwin will be able to choose his path.

At the moment, Edwin's greatest advantage, as Van Doren mentioned, is that no one takes him seriously; he's "flying under the radar." As Ozymandias037 said, the comparison of the last week to a roller coaster is apt, and I think the last week will be precisely the steep descent that the past three weeks have been building toward.