VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[UmbralKnight]

I think it's quite the opposite; nepotism may very well shield him in situations where an employee without close ties to management would get thrown under the bus.

we shall see if it's true

as long as he remains on good terms with him, he can expect quite better protection than your average Joe.

chuck doesn't seem bothered when MC and Ian get beaten up by oliver
even if you're in very good terms with chuck
he just brushes it off and lets august handle it
though august did it for the club at this point he is more likely to protect the MC than chuck from any physical threats

Drug labs are also quite normal thing for a drug-oriented business to set up.

a drug lab so normal that kathy is hiding it's purpose from her partners?
yeah ,I don't think so

'd also be very surprised if research of say, viagra, didn't involve getting participants/test subjects in sex-related situations, give the actual nature of the research.

i would say the viagra comparison doesn't really track 1:1 sure viagra has a huge list of potentially life threatening side effects
but nothing quite potent like the drug abel and kathy are testing rn in the club
it messes with your mind and memory even if you're indirectly exposed to it for a short time

As opposed to what, legal businesses which openly endorse and promote cult mentality from their workers in order to exploit them better? Hello, professional games industry where if you're not crunching 20 hours a day on the AAA title you're not a "true gamer" but a loser who doesn't belong.

that's a very hyperbolic statement
but i did mean it
the entire club is just a few steps away from being turned into a sexcult from a sexclub especially given kathleens dark nature
wouldn't be the first time now would it ?
there are many such instances IRL too

Consider this: the club has run multiple editions of the Exhibition, each of them with a handful of participants. If you "never really quit the club" how comes we only see/hear about just one of them? Shouldn't all the losers, or at least some of them, be still around, sucking dicks and getting fucked, the way that you claim Felicia is bound to be doing if she doesn't win?

let's break it down shall we
i would say the vast majority of the girls who didn't "make" it to the carnations finale probably ended up working for the men who were their sponsors either directly or they work their debt to the club
lucy is one such example

so that would mean each year atleast some of these women end up working for their sponsors or other members of the club

then you have guys like august/donovon who probably turn these girls into regular prostitutes/escorts/pornstars that work for them
they're already trading regular working girls with eachother so it shouldn't be a stretch to assume that they don't "trade" the loosers to other clubs around the city/state etc

and finally though kathleen doesn't seem to care much about the women who participate in these games
I suspect she finds great joy in tormenting the handful of previous carnations that actually "made" it
those who managed to survive her games like allision
this must be a handful at best given what we know of kathleen

but i do admit that it's kind of strange that we don't hear anyone talk about previous carnations and house girls
even though both hana and ian has been around long enough

What do you think is going to happen to Edwin if he simply tries to quit? You keep talking how the club will never let him or anyone for that matter quit so come on. What do you believe happen to him?

the most obvious answer is blackmail
MC has everything to loose and kathleen holds most of the strings
she could simply hold his money hostage and make him dance for her tunes (atleast until he completes his education)
but even becoming a doctor isn't going to change much
how different is it from being a "mob" doctor or a emergency medic for a cartel?

kathleen and the club members aren't going to let an "asset" like the MC just walk away when they could potentially use his services for decades to come

or she could end up brainwashing the MC and groom him to becoming her minion

she already has almost everything she needs to ruin his life legally and otherwise

but of course the MC could also be "wacked" if he tries something really stupid
like becoming a whistleblower that tries to expose the whole thing

I'm not sure if Grace even knows the club exists. She is just trying for Victoria to get her bidding, but it has nothing to do with the club.

oh she definitely knows more about the MC than Victoria or any of the LIs
she literally says that she KNOWS everything because chuck TELLS her EVERYTHING
she repeats the line again to Victoria to emphasize that she knows pretty much everything that chuck knows

may i remind you that Victoria's response to that "hook" was simply "fuck you"? So much for the scary hooks.

after that simple "fuck you" we have seen events only from Victoria's side
even that single threat alone shook victoria enough that she confessed the truth to MC and Ian
we still haven't seen things from grace's perspective and we don't know what's going to happen when grace tells chuck what happened or what's she is going to do next after failing to convince victoria

Between Rose scamming old people out of their money for her husband and Mina's sex bucket list i think they may be more flexible about these things that you give them credit for. At least in Mina's case there's more than a few posters around here who are actually salivating at the idea of her getting in the business herself.

now who is the delusional one here ?

he cannot damage her much, should he ever win at chess, since she is too valuable.

not directly
but just like how kathleen is trying to use MC to angle hana
i suspect chuck will use MC to get back at abel through sophie

Kath never let´s you out of her grasp completely.

exactly

is there any hint of that in the dialogue?

no
but you have to admit haters turning to lovers is one of the most common tropes

the arc is finished?

arc ?
If you mean week 3 of the carnation games then no
It's not finished

 

[Turret]

Refer to my answer above. I still don't understand why a throuple ending would be a bad one. You seem to think that the concept of a throuple means being a jerk or completely corrupted, which I don't understand. Again, the possibility of a Mina/Hana/Edwin throuple would most likely depends on variables and choices with Mina and Hana. I don't see why it should be a bad ending.

Hi again!
You seem to misunderstand my reasoning. I am not against throuples, far from it, but in "Pale Carnations" the general situation points towards lasting(!) throuples only on corrupted paths. The characters involved, as mentioned Hana, who has no problems with some threesome fun, but has made it clear from early on (birthday party) that she prefers exclusive longterm relationships. There is a reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on "girlfriend Hana", that will have consequences.
As said, Hana is open to threesomes, be it with Mina or maybe even introspective Ian, but that is for fun. If Mina tried to get "more Edwin" such a throuple would turn sour rapidly.

 

[Discrepancy]

Hi again!
You seem to misunderstand my reasoning. I am not against throuples, far from it, but in "Pale Carnations" the general situation points towards lasting(!) throuples only on corrupted paths. The characters involved, as mentioned Hana, who has no problems with some threesome fun, but has made it clear from early on (birthday party) that she prefers exclusive longterm relationships. There is a reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on "girlfriend Hana", that will have consequences.
As said, Hana is open to threesomes, be it with Mina or maybe even introspective Ian, but that is for fun. If Mina tried to get "more Edwin" such a throuple would turn sour rapidly.

I agree that the throuple is doubtful to happen but let PervyParadox dream in peace

 

[Turret]

chuck doesn't seem bothered when MC and Ian get beaten up by oliver
even if you're in very good terms with chuck
he just brushes it off and lets august handle it
though august did it for the club at this point he is more likely to protect the MC than chuck from any physical threats

Never had that problem, "social chameleon" is a really helpful trait in the environment our Edwin is in now. And I usually involve August with the Oliver problem from the get go or latest by the poker game.
But I fully agree with you that we should not trust Chuck at all unless playing assho... Edwin.

but i do admit that it's kind of strange that we don't hear anyone talk about previous carnations and house girls
even though both hana and ian has been around long enough

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the house girls are "August´s territory" and he runs it like a business. He doesn´t care what the girls are up to in their freetime as long as they deliver when on the clock. And those house girls who do not work off debts, they can leave employ in the club when they want. That is a non-issue. Darius and Isla are a special case, since he tried to blackmail Kathleen. And we know how Kath is.

 

[Discrepancy]

That is a non-issue. Darius and Isla are a special case, since he tried to blackmail Kathleen. And we know how Kath is.

Do you think the blackmail thing is true? I think Kathleen lied there, she has a hand on his disepeareance almost for sure but I doubt he blackmailed her, no idea what he did to make her pissed though

 

[Turret]

Do you think the blackmail thing is true? I think Kathleen lied there, she has a hand on his disepeareance almost for sure but I doubt he blackmailed her, no idea what he did to make her pissed though

I too am not sure that Darius blackmailed Kath, but that is the info we have so far. I estimate if he truly blackmailed Kath about Isla, then she must have been a girl working off debt. Otherwise who would have cared if Isla just left? The house girls are implied to earn quite well in PC, so Ersatz for a leaving housegirl is not problematic for the club.

But maybe Darius did blackmail Kath not about Isla, but about blowing the clubs cover? Even a sleazeball like Darius might have had a stronger conscience than Kath, but not enough to exceed his own greed. This would also align with a hint we can get if we have good relations with August, who mentioned the need for secrecy even if you have local police and administration in the bag. And that they have had some trouble with someone who could not keep his mouth shut. This might be Darius.

In that case I am sure Darius is watching the radishes from below, if he did this.

 

[Darreau91]

no idea what he did to make her pissed though

Darius couldn't handle the chocolate "kit kat" starfish like Edwin mother fukkin Wolfgang and his chrome half twin.

 

[M I N T]

This might be a repeated question but does anyone know how Hana's anger affects her? Is it better to lower it or make it higher?

 

[Ottoeight]

This might be a repeated question but does anyone know how Hana's anger affects her? Is it better to lower it or make it higher?

My guess is that lowering her anger is better for seeing a more poised Hana. Other than that, I have no clue on how this variable might really affect the story.

I think that Hana's anger and Felicia's confidence variables haven't triggered any story changes yet.

 

[Turret]

This might be a repeated question but does anyone know how Hana's anger affects her? Is it better to lower it or make it higher?

For most players it will be better to lower her anger, because Hana becomes more confident, more rational, more poised the lower her anger is. It also seems to be influencing her relations with her parents positively. The "Kimber eprsode" shows that clearly, where a low/zero anger Hana tells you that "God, I hate that she brought that out of me."

I think that Hana's anger and Felicia's confidence variables haven't triggered any story changes yet.

Not any obvious changes, but I am sure we will get situations where these scores play a role. We already have had impact from main traits, e.g. if we become friends with the girls, what Ian is willing/wants to do, if Allison and Sophia are available at the orgy. So it is only a question of time. And it is pretty sure Feli´s confidence score will play a role how well she recovers from this night.

 

[ffive]

This might be a repeated question but does anyone know how Hana's anger affects her? Is it better to lower it or make it higher?

It seems to be her attitude towards the club, mostly, in the sense how much pissed off she is at what they're doing to the women in there. Her anger drops if she can rationalize it on some level and/or come to terms with it (and also with August)

So, if you want to burn the place down, it's probably counter-productive to have Hana grow to think it's not such a big deal after all.

 

[Turret]

It seems to be her attitude towards the club, mostly, in the sense how much pissed off she is at what they're doing to the women in there. Her anger drops if she can rationalize it on some level and/or come to terms with it (and also with August)

So, if you want to burn the place down, it's probably counter-productive to have Hana grow to think it's not such a big deal after all.

Quite right, but Hana´s anger score also applies more broadly. It encompasses her parents (August more than her mom, but still) and partly her surroundings. We see examples like low/zero anger Hana talking with Dalia, that this Hana curently makes some small, but still good changes for the better inside the Club.
It is telling that zero anger Hana dislikes her old, angry self coming up when Kimber needles and annoys her, when she is just trying to help Kimber getting out of the hole she dug herself in. If you want to see the Club survive in whatever form, it is good to lower Hana´s anger when you can.
If you want to destroy the Club no matter what, you want to raise Hana´s anger. But this can bite you in the ass later if you are pursuing Hana, because high anger Hana is most probably not the right type of woman for our hero.

 

[PervyParadox]

Hi again!
You seem to misunderstand my reasoning. I am not against throuples, far from it, but in "Pale Carnations" the general situation points towards lasting(!) throuples only on corrupted paths. The characters involved, as mentioned Hana, who has no problems with some threesome fun, but has made it clear from early on (birthday party) that she prefers exclusive longterm relationships. There is a reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on "girlfriend Hana", that will have consequences.
As said, Hana is open to threesomes, be it with Mina or maybe even introspective Ian, but that is for fun. If Mina tried to get "more Edwin" such a throuple would turn sour rapidly.

There's also a reason why Mina literally propose a throuple to Hana after the party in the update before the last one. As for the birthday party, I keep repeating the same argument but let's write it again: characters and circumstances evolve. Just because Hana said she prefers exclusive long-term relationships doesn't mean she'd totally exclude a throuple with Mina and Edwin as a (oh wait) long-term relationship, exclusive to two people she is attracted to and like.

The reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on girlfriend Hana might just be because it's too early in the story, and she doesn't even know about Mina and Edwin when the choice to be her boyfriend comes up. With the 3 million branching paths there is in this game, it's fair to assume that, while cheating on girlfriend Hana might lock up a possible throuple with Mina, keeping her as a fuckbuddy doesn't lock up that possibility, because their relationship is still sort of open to changes.

And no, the general situation points towards lasting throuples on choices related to Mina and Ewin's relationship, Hana and Edwin's relationship, Hana and Mina relationship, and Mina bi-curiosity points (maybe also Hana anger points). I don't know where you got this "throuple only on corrupted path" idea from. I literally don't understand where it's coming from.

I agree that the throuple is doubtful to happen but let PervyParadox dream in peace
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Yup, this is why I rarely write in here. You guys are hopeless.
I'm done.
Not even going to search for a fun image to represent how done I am.

 

[dolfe67]

because high anger Hana is most probably not the right type of woman for our hero.

High anger woman is not the right type for anyone

 

[Meiri]

There's also a reason why Mina literally propose a throuple to Hana after the party in the update before the last one. As for the birthday party, I keep repeating the same argument but let's write it again: characters and circumstances evolve. Just because Hana said she prefers exclusive long-term relationships doesn't mean she'd totally exclude a throuple with Mina and Edwin as a (oh wait) long-term relationship, exclusive to two people she is attracted to and like.

The reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on girlfriend Hana might just be because it's too early in the story, and she doesn't even know about Mina and Edwin when the choice to be her boyfriend comes up. With the 3 million branching paths there is in this game, it's fair to assume that, while cheating on girlfriend Hana might lock up a possible throuple with Mina, keeping her as a fuckbuddy doesn't lock up that possibility, because their relationship is still sort of open to changes.

And no, the general situation points towards lasting throuples on choices related to Mina and Ewin's relationship, Hana and Edwin's relationship, Hana and Mina relationship, and Mina bi-curiosity points (maybe also Hana anger points). I don't know where you got this "throuple only on corrupted path" idea from. I literally don't understand where it's coming from.

Yup, this is why I rarely write in here. You guys are hopeless.
I'm done.
Not even going to search for a fun image to represent how done I am.

I don't see where the general situation points towards lasting throuples here... You are ignoring the previous iteration where the throuple failed or the Hana GF path checking for every time you cheat on her.

A threesome or more is guaranteed to happen in future content but no more than that imo, I just don't see what's the point of HanaGF path if there's just another path that's gonna give you a two for one?

The only way I see this working is in a corrupted way, in contrast to a more normal, loving relationship to the normal paths.

I guess I am also hopeless then

 

[dolfe67]

I just don't see what's the point of HanaGF path if there's just another path that's gonna give you a two for one?

You don't like to be faithful to your one and only girlfriend?

 

[Discrepancy]

Yup, this is why I rarely write in here. You guys are hopeless.
I'm done.
Not even going to search for a fun image to represent how done I am.

Don't know why you calling me hopeless when I'm saying we should drop this and let you have your dreams, if you felt I was making fun of you I apologize.
And when you have a realistic story that points for a thing you want not happening I will say it's a dream, but that's nothing wrong with that, but after playing this game if you think a happy throuple relationship is a "normal" relationship I'm not sure what to tell you, maybe in countries where having more than a wife is normal, but Pale Carnations is set on the US, so yeah threesomes for fun can happen and Edwin, Hana and Mina will happen, but there's nothing in the game that makes us believe a happy lasting relationship will happen, on the contrary, but I rest my case, once again You are free to wish/dream what you want for the story to take us.

 

[Meiri]

You don't like to be faithful to your one and only girlfriend?

I do but my point there is that if you allow for a throuple path with both being ok and no consequence, you are kinda ruining both exclusive paths since both Hana and Mina act completely different there.

 

[Discrepancy]

I do but my point there is that if you allow for a throuple path with both being ok and no consequence, you are kinda ruining both exclusive paths since both Hana and Mina act completely different there.

I agree and it's hard to believe that this game even will have a real happy ending, a throuple ending when everybody is happy and no consequences is even harder to believe IMO.

 

[ffive]

High anger woman is not the right type for anyone

Ehh, i disagree, i feel like my Firestarter Edwin and Angry Hana would make a pretty dynamic duo. If Mina didn't tame him first.