VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Machete]

He knows that she has fun with it, it must be even worse than a gangbang.

That Donovan guy is depicted as being an overall decent guy, running the porn industry in a honest way. And a skilled expert lover. Why wouldn't she have enjoyed her time with him? And why would that be a bad thing? She was still a young woman with her sex drive. Her husband was dead, not dumped or cheated. I can't begin to understand what it can mean for a dude to find out the his mother had to do porn to make ends meet, but at least seeing her not been abused like a piece of meat should be somewhat reassuring.

I think MC's main struggle is the guilt arond the oedipical fascination he has for his mother's videos.

 

[Thor875]

But I wonder what role Chuck plays in the gangster movies.
If the films were made after our firefight, it may be that he brought Vicky together with August, because it is hard for me to believe that a normal housewife will find contact with gangsters. In addition, someone with a lot of influence must be there, or how can you explain your exit after 4 films. GANGSTERS with guns have a beautiful woman in their clutches, who also enjoys being fucked properly. Does she say after 4 films: So people I'll stop, see you someday?
AND THEY LET HER GO SO EASILY? Never ever

 

[Thor875]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

 

[tslojr]

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Victoria is going to end up in an exhibition?

 

[Maccabbee]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

August was his boss in the past, and probably a backer in his company.

 

[Biscardone]

Eh. There's a lot of things that will sink a relationship, some more logical than others.

I know people who, on paper (similar ages, education, general affability) made a great couple and didn't last. I've experienced that myself. Then I know a dude whose been shacking up with a woman and her husband for a decade and, while I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, they inexplicably seem to be carrying on just fine.

I suppose it just depends on how narrow your definition is of a "healthy" relationship. Bottom line, if it's about longevity and happiness, then I would play devil's advocate and say that the only ingredients needed are respecting personal boundaries, supporting your partner(s), and a forthright desire to work to be together. Obviously it's more complicated than that because humans be humans and we don't even understand ourselves sometimes, let alone other people. Still... questions of monogamy, ambitions, desired trajectories, past experience, kids, differences in age between adult partners, tolerance for chewing loudly... those are details. Details that make or break a relationship, but aren't the same for everyone.

I want to believe, with enough grace, you can step over baggage. Or you might trip over it and land on your big stupid face. Every relationship is a crap shoot.

I can vouch for that too. Life is a bizarre thing, and every relationship abides by its own rules. While we take pride in considering ourselves rational people, or at the very least sensible people, motivations and drives differ drastically for everyone, and the laws of chaos seem to trump all. I'll relay a couple of personal experiences, knowing all too well that they shouldn't be taken as a general norm.

1. T. and R., best friends of my parents. They were born in the 1940s, so they were far from what you'd consider a modern, emancipated couple. When they started their relationship, they soon discovered that their sexual compatibility was lousy at best; however, they decided that their relationship was far too important to them to drop it only for sexual reasons. So they seeked, and found, a new partner each to satisfy their physical needs - with the full consent of the other. They stopped seeing their lovers only when they married and had their first born. All in all, they were one of the most tight-knit couple I ever knew.
2. My friend D. He hasn't had a lot of relationships - four tops, I think, and he never married. Well, his second to last relationship lasted twelve years. What happened? According to him, routine set in and one day he simply discovered he didn't love his girlfriend anymore. His last relationship, on the flipside, lasted only a year - simply put, he had a nervous breakdown mostly due to pressure from his job, and he decided he didn't have the strength to shoulder a relationship any more. Were these the only factors at play? Who knows.
3. My friend M. He's in a relationship with his girlfriend since 2010, and while he's not married, he decided to have two children. Well, unfortunately, they were both born with mild to severe autism - he swore he ran a DNA compatibility check with his partner beforehand, but apparently fate decided to deal him a horrible hand. Well, with all the highs and lows of his relationship (frankly I don't think his girlfriend is a very nice match to him), he's still keeping on. Is this a good thing? Again, who knows.

Three different relationships, three very different ways of expressing love, and three different meanings for it.
By the way, these differences are why I think the best storytellers are people that experience life in a multitude of forms and perspectives, directly or indirectly, through empathy and sympathy.

 

[ffive]

OK, he may be a decent guy and yet he lends some of his girls to the PC.

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.

In addition, someone with a lot of influence must be there, or how can you explain your exit after 4 films. GANGSTERS with guns have a beautiful woman in their clutches, who also enjoys being fucked properly. Does she say after 4 films: So people I'll stop, see you someday?
AND THEY LET HER GO SO EASILY? Never ever

Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

 

[Thor875]

August was his boss in the past, and probably a backer in his company.

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.


Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

 

[Thor875]

He might be lending the girls to the club on condition that they're protected from dipshits like Warren and other sorts of abuse from the clients. Just another way for them to make some money when they aren't doing the porn flicks.


Donovan mentions that plenty of girls wash out after 1-2 movies and seemingly no one cares to chase them with guns and whatnot to keep them in business. There's so much churn in the industry no one is going to obsess over one random whore. Other than her son who discovers her movies few years down the road, apparently.

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

 

[ffive]

This may be true for the porn industry, but I disagree with gangsters and pimps.

But Victoria was doing porn flicks, not prostituting herself. There's no indication she's had any actual contact with "gangsters and pimps" other than people running wild with speculations in this thread.

 

[Thor875]

But Victoria was doing porn flicks, not prostituting herself. There's no indication she's had any actual contact with "gangsters and pimps" other than people running wild with speculations in this thread.

And what about the "man" from the first film who has wads of money and a gun lying around on the windowsill?
sorry for any misunderstandings, unfortunately I have to use a translation program
Google

 

[ffive]

And what about the "man" from the first film who has wads of money and a gun lying around on the windowsill?

What about him? You think that having money and a gun automatically makes one a pimp and a gangster?

In addition, we can see that actual pimps and gangsters who run the very brothel the game takes place at aren't exactly desperate to forcefully hold onto every whore that ever comes to work for them -- girls at PC supposedly routinely complete their "contracts" and come and go.

 

[Thor875]

What about him? You think that having money and a gun automatically makes one a pimp and a gangster?

In addition, we can see that actual pimps and gangsters who run the very brothel the game takes place at aren't exactly desperate to forcefully hold onto every whore that ever comes to work for them -- girls at PC supposedly routinely complete their "contracts" and come and go.

First of all, thank you very much for your answers. I could use a little calming down until the next update, but I still have the feeling that we're going to experience a nasty surprise. In the context of this game, I find it difficult not to immediately think of the "worst".

 

[CorprealFale]

Poor Vicky? Didn't you catch Donovan's interview?
The first movies that increased to gangbang with 2 men, in the last one with 3 men
and in which she was fucked to physical exhaustion, they did not scare her off, but made her so hot that she decides to voluntarily work as a poro actress.
And the end has not yet been reached, or why does Edwin suppress the last 40 minutes of the interview from his memory. He knows that she has fun with it, it
must be even worse than a gangbang.

While it's been ages since I saw clips of Vicky from those. That depends on those being the first films he did. Not later in her career.
Donny can totally film such things in a more ethical (it's the big porn biz, practically non of it is ethical. Some just less horrid) environment.
Her first films can totally have been just her and two other people. One holding the camera one fucking her. It's just that they didn't show any respect or such to her. Treating her horribly.
No fluffers, no nothing.

Those group scenes we've seen? Those could have been done with Donny's company. With people there. And her comfortable.

Just because our MC thinks that they're the ones showing her biggest sacrifices. They might not be.
Just enjoying sex on camera doesn't make Vicky bad/horrid/anything.

 

[CorprealFale]

And what about the "man" from the first film who has wads of money and a gun lying around on the windowsill?
sorry for any misunderstandings, unfortunately I have to use a translation program
Google

So, I don't remember wads of money, a gun etc lying around.
But those could just be props.

Judging from the posters from Donny's office and conference room he seems to like Porn with a Plot.

 

[Thor875]

While it's been ages since I saw clips of Vicky from those. That depends on those being the first films he did. Not later in her career.
Donny can totally film such things in a more ethical (it's the big porn biz, practically non of it is ethical. Some just less horrid) environment.
Her first films can totally have been just her and two other people. One holding the camera one fucking her. It's just that they didn't show any respect or such to her. Treating her horribly.
No fluffers, no nothing.

Those group scenes we've seen? Those could have been done with Donny's company. With people there. And her comfortable.

Just because our MC thinks that they're the ones showing her biggest sacrifices. They might not be.
Just enjoying sex on camera doesn't make Vicky bad/horrid/anything.

I dont say she is bad or horrid. But good idea, if I understood you correctly, all the pictures are from Donovan and we don't know any of her first 4 films? Interesting

 

[MrBubu]

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[Ottoeight]

Guys, I know I shouldn't add fuel to the fire, but...

about Victoria: I think you might want to mull over what Edwin tells about the fact that he never met his mother's family (he tells that she had no family) and his father's family burnt bridges with them.

 

[misfolk]

A thought came to me when I was reading about Gaiman's sex scandal. Edwin has a dark seed inside his soul as well, he can admit this to Mina. However, I think participating in the club activities must be very uncomfortable for a more introspective Dark Edwin.

For example, doing the humiliating interviews with the Carnations must have been everything Dark Edwin had dreamed of. With one critical exception: he's not the source of his dominance over them. He has no wealth, power, charisma or strength of his own. He only has the authority delegated to him by the club owners and Kathleen's orders. This is the difference between him and Warren, who, even though he's just an employee as well, is threatening enough to get away with something extra.

Killian has no such qualms, happily exploiting his position like a powertripping cop waving his badge around. But where can Edwin get his kicks? Dunking Harper just doesn't tickle him right if she's a just present for being a good boy. There are small things out there, like zapping Kathleen with her prod, but that's not enough. His agreement with Rosalind gets close: even though it's only possible because he's an employee, it's Edwin himself who chooses to abuse the trust of his employers.

Who else is there for him to break on his own? Grace? A very desirable option, if not for Uncle Chuck invariably going all Dominic Toretto on him. Sophia? She's too much of an enigma for me to consider this option. Hana? Not with her dad ready to supply Edwin with less-that-buoyant footwear. Mina?..

 

[pinuz1]

Why do I have this nagging feeling that Victoria is going to end up in an exhibition?

Not going to lie, comments like this ones make me wonder if some of y'all are playing the same game as me, in what universe can you imagine Victoria would end up in an exhibition? she just cried her heart out at the thought of having to tell her son that she was a porn actress.