VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[thela2]

It seems we are playing different games.

im on hana path the only scene i could get was that red hair girl then i used cheats and stuff to get rosalind one and the bartender one but like im said i use cheats if i played my normal routune i would only get the the first one

 

[Thor875]

Can someone help me to interpret correctly what Vicky meant when she stammered: “To be honest, I never really... w-with my l-life... w-well, until I did...”?
Did she find fulfillment or the meaning of her life during the first disgusting recordings?

 

[Sleepingbeast97]

Nobody knows that.

Ah fuck i forgot its not finished yet

 

[DirtyMario]

im on hana path the only scene i could get was that red hair girl then i used cheats and stuff to get rosalind one and the bartender one but like im said i use cheats if i played my normal routune i would only get the the first one

If you choose monogamy with Hana it should be clear that you'll miss out on a boatload of scenes with other girls.
It's completely worth it though because she's better than all these cheap hoes

 

[BrockLanders]

This update is absolutely fantastic and I've only updated one path save so far...

Hana x Mina + Kat + Rose + Bromance, positive in all friendships/relationships as much as possible. Edwin is moderately masochistic in this save and is expressing it surprisingly positively. Now I have to update on all the single paths, the Full Deal, Kat's prodigy, and others.

It's woven absolutely perfectly so far. The pacing is perfect, the renders are gorgeous, the animations are subtle and studious. I only saw one spelling error so far. I still believe this novel is the best there is and few others approach the rarified air Pale Carnations lives in.

And again... I'M NOT REALLY EVEN INTO THE BDSM TAG BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOOD HOW THE FUCK DO I CHOOSE JUST ONE

 

[BrockLanders]

Im currently on the second exhibition please somebody tell me there is a way to help all the girls or i don't think ill be emotionally able to complete this game. i feel so bad for all of them.

Do what I did, play multiple paths. Some it seems you'll be able to help everyone... it feels like you may not be able to free them all of what troubles them, but Edwin can be made to try earnestly to understand and help them cope... and (possibly) flourish. The writing is mature enough that you don't need to be involved with a LI in order to care about them in many respects. I know what you mean though, I play harem tag games a lot because I have so much trouble choosing sometimes!

 

[lustforsex]

If you choose monogamy with Hana it should be clear that you'll miss out on a boatload of scenes with other girls.
It's completely worth it though because she's better than all these cheap hoes

Is that how it works? It can't be... I thought that by starting a relationship with Hana she can only be with me, but these rules should not apply to me! I did this in other games and everything was smooth btw

 

[Hungover00]

Bro, you are free to believe in whatever the hell you want to believe in. Keep on believing until the day you will finally read the final dialogue word of the epilogue of this VN.

I guess we literally have to give up on these "Victoria must have sex with a younger bloke no-matter-who-he-is-I-just-want-to-see-it" dudes.

I give up.

No wishful thinking. You seem to be putting words in my mouth. All I said is I don't know where his line is, not that I wanted him and Victoria to smash. Chill.

 

[Idontplay]

All I said is I don't know where his line is

The matter was adressed in a dialogue happened in one of the last three or four updates; even if I don't remember if Ian actually said he did never had a crush for Victoria.









P.S. I have said: «I don't remember», not: «He didn't say»!

 

[Henchmen13]

Part of the written below is relative to the variables in the "in depth" Walkthrough. Take of that what you will.

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Honestly the one thing i am most worried about is "exponential branching" as well as how much information about what happens in the "aftermath of the exhibition's ending" will be provided. This sounds very silly, especially if you consider how far into the future this is.

Dev, if you are reading this, i have small request for you. Make document with "potential endings" or something like that, prepared to be shared in case of "unforseen circumstances" in which the game can't be finished. Give what i have read about you the game most likely won't be dropped, but who knows what life can drop on you, plus this masterpiece will still need quite a bit of time to be finished, especially with more and more branching for each update, which seems to be the case.

 

[Darreau91]

Ian actually said he did never had a crush for Victoria.

Ian confirmed gay and his womanizing is a giant beard stunt. Edwin is his one only
soul mate.

 

[Ozymandias037]

Ian catching strays. Hes been a pretty ride or die bro for Edwin. Also Victoria likes him, gotta trust goat mommy on these types of things.

I mean Ian is absolutely a bro but he was also absolutely a piece of shit terrible boyfriend to Mina, and I think that's what was being referred to there.

I'm sure that's exactly what TD and Gil were going for. Just making the player uncomfortable and questioning if it's okay to find this hot.

Agree 100%.

Veronica is a dainty butterfly that crafted herself steel armor. I love the honest interactions she has with MC where she kinda opens up the shell a bit and that's why I went for the friend route in my main playthrough.
I feel like she can and will be the broest of all the bros once she fully trusts and I'll be damned if I won't see this through to the end.

I will confess this hadn't occurred to me, mostly because Veronica pushes Edwin away so hard due to that armor you mention. But now that the idea's in my head, I'm absolutely here for it.

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

This one I disagree with. Ian certainly seems very fond of Victoria as a surrogate mother figure and it's definitely possible that he'd hit that if he could, BUT:
1. It would absolutely destroy his relationship with Edwin, and an introspective-to-neutral Ian wouldn't be willing to do that.
2. I think he sees Victoria more as a mother than a woman, so I'm not sure it would even occur to him. That being said, with the revelation about her past, can that image of motherhood survive? I think it depends on how "good" of an influence Edwin has been and whether or not Ian is seeing the error of his ways.

I think we could indeed see an Ian redemption arc, but I don't agree that it feels forced. Edwin has several chances to try and rein in Ian's worst impulses and help him re-evaluate his choices and attitudes. If an Ian redemption arc is to happen with the aid of Edwin trying to push him back towards being a decent person, I personally think that could be earned rather than forced. Especially considering TD's writing and sense of character. TBH I'm personally kind of rooting for it to happen, but I guess we'll see.

He is doing it after he has realized she is, in fact, a woman and all his misogynist instincts kicked in. Which makes it an open question how he'll treat Victoria after/if Edwin tells him about Victoria's past. But doesn't really put into question his past behavior towards her, and when this development doesn't happen and his mental image of Victoria is "pure" so to speak.

I personally don't think Ian fucking Alice has anything to do with his misogyny -- well, okay, I guess it obviously does because there's some nasty power dynamics going on there. But I don't think that's the primary factor. I think Ian is banging her out of some twisted desire for the kind of motherly comfort he got from her before, tied up in a nasty tangled emotional mess with his self-hatred and self-destruction. Ian is a very broken person in some ways, many of which revolve around motherly love and comfort (and who could blame him? Grace is a horrible mom and Chuck is Ian's major male role model! This is not a person who will have any kind of healthy... anything, really, but especially attitudes towards women.). I think the reasons for Ian banging Alice are very tangled and extremely unhealthy and he one billion percent should be in therapy instead, but that doesn't make for as good of a story, so here we are.

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I still don't see a "bad" ending for Veronica that is worse than needing to find a roommate and a job as a personal trainer someplace. I mean giving up one's dreams is bad; I'm not pretending it isn't. But I struggle to imagine a world where she has no choice but to become a house girl. The only way I see that happening is if she takes a loan from the club to try and save the gym even after she loses the competition, but I just don't think she would.

Felicia's bad ending is easier for me to imagine. After Elias joins the club, sees her gigacucking him, and divorces her, she'd be left with a lot fewer social options and a lot less comfort and spending money. The flip side of this is, perhaps she'd be able to find a different rich old guy in search of a trophy wife. It'd be a lot harder this time around since she'd be someone else's leftovers in a lot of eyes, but she's still smart, stylish, and super hot so it'd be possible. She'd be in a pretty shitty position for sure, though.

Rose.... yeah. Rose is fucked. House girl, porn star, or much worse possibilities exist if she doesn't win.

Honestly the one thing i am most worried about is "exponential branching" as well as how much information about what happens in the "aftermath of the exhibition's ending" will be provided. This sounds very silly, especially if you consider how far into the future this is.

Dev, if you are reading this, i have small request for you. Make document with "potential endings" or something like that, prepared to be shared in case of "unforseen circumstances" in which the game can't be finished. Give what i have read about you the game most likely won't be dropped, but who knows what life can drop on you, plus this masterpiece will still need quite a bit of time to be finished, especially with more and more branching for each update, which seems to be the case.

Walkthroughs are fantastic for this! And they help navigate the game besides. I do see what you're getting at, though. Maybe put a checklist in the gallery or something like that, just to help people see if/what they're missing.

 

[Maccabbee]

Ian certainly seems very fond of Victoria as a surrogate mother figure and it's definitely possible that he'd hit that if he could, BUT:
1. It would absolutely destroy his relationship with Edwin, and an introspective-to-neutral Ian wouldn't be willing to do that.
2. I think he sees Victoria more as a mother than a woman, so I'm not sure it would even occur to him. That being said, with the revelation about her past, can that image of motherhood survive? I think it depends on how "good" of an influence Edwin has been and whether or not Ian is seeing the error of his ways.

It was clear early on that both boys had the hots for each others' mothers, but it was not anything real.

 

[Hungover00]

I personally don't think Ian fucking Alice has anything to do with his misogyny -- well, okay, I guess it obviously does because there's some nasty power dynamics going on there. But I don't think that's the primary factor. I think Ian is banging her out of some twisted desire for the kind of motherly comfort he got from her before, tied up in a nasty tangled emotional mess with his self-hatred and self-destruction. Ian is a very broken person in some ways, many of which revolve around motherly love and comfort (and who could blame him? Grace is a horrible mom and Chuck is Ian's major male role model! This is not a person who will have any kind of healthy... anything, really, but especially attitudes towards women.). I think the reasons for Ian banging Alice are very tangled and extremely unhealthy and he one billion percent should be in therapy instead, but that doesn't make for as good of a story, so here we are.

See, this is why I don't know what the fuck Ian might get up to. He doesn't know himself why he does half the stuff he does. He has strong attachments to Victoria, and with this new revelation, could his twisted mind (especially if he's non-introspective and has a beef with Edwin) decide to try and make a move? Probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out. He's like a debauchery wild card.

 

[Luis Nope]

Can someone share a gallery unlocker?

 

[doro89]

anx gallery unlocker?

 

[Turret]

Being stuck under Abel or Sophia to me doesn’t seem like an ambitious Edwin would do.

Well, "being stuck under Abel or Sophia" is not a problem for a white and a grey Edwin. Since I replayed from the beginning, some hints and stuff are clearer (unfortunately not all) now. While Abel certainly has a position for Edwin in his hostile takeover of PC, he also definitely likes Edwin from their first meeting onwards.
It is openly implied that van Doren and his firm are major players in the medical business and research. Edwin being there would certainly set him on the way up to the top.

I’m trying to track with your mindset on what benifits Edwin the most in a non white knight play through.

I am really sorry to tell you that you do not get my mindset on a grey Edwin playthrough nearly at all! A little help from me. On all "white hat" and "grey hat" playthroughs I have (3 each for my prefered girls), Edwin wants to help people and is an inquisitive voyeur. He and Ian are "bros forever", Edwin brought him to think about his future and told him about his mom´s plans. (He also knows that Ian wants to be a history teacher/prof.)
I want to stress again that "grey hat" Edwin still wants to and does help other people, e.g. Ian, Felicia, etc., but that there are cases where his own gains come absolutely first (and they do not have to be money, since you are so focused on that).
Also you are obsessed with playing Edwin like an neurotic as..., which he is not!

As for Veronika, in the beginning "grey" Edwin had sympathy for her plight, but that changed the more he learned. How stupid and/or rash can Veronika be? She is in the games for the money, knowing that it will not help much! (that is different from both Feli and Rosi, who if they win get what they want/need) She ruined her happy marriage for that fracking gym and more, she could cut her losses, start anew and live her dream in a different gym. Even Samson mentioned that she could simply live her dream in another new gym she owned after cutting her losses with this one (and remember, the gym was already failing before Samson started his meddling. He added to the woes, but the gym was going down even before he popped up on the scene) instead of letting Kath have "fun" with her.

I had to shake my head when Veronika accused Felicia during the punishment game that if she wins two girls in need are hosed. We know that Feli would give the money Rosi needs without blinking if we ask her. (Even if that is not a problem anymore if we let August handle "just Oliver" )
If Veronika "wins", all(!) three loose. Since for Veronika even a win is simply a band aid, which will run out sooner than later, esp. when she could just walk away. But she is too stubborn and seems to life her life with blinkers on.

 

[ename144]

I still don't see a "bad" ending for Veronica that is worse than needing to find a roommate and a job as a personal trainer someplace. I mean giving up one's dreams is bad; I'm not pretending it isn't. But I struggle to imagine a world where she has no choice but to become a house girl. The only way I see that happening is if she takes a loan from the club to try and save the gym even after she loses the competition, but I just don't think she would.

The "bad" ending for Veronica is presumably if Kathleen (probably with the MC's help) manages to break her down to the point that she doesn't much care what happens to her after she loses her gym. We know she already feels some level of guilt for her divorce. Push Veronica hard enough and I could see her becoming a house girl simply because she's thinks she's hopeless at both relationships and coaching.

It goes without saying that this outcome is one we must avoid at all costs!

 

[CeilingFanStan]

Saw someones picture at the bottom of their reply with this game so thought I would look for it. After all if you like a game enough to use it in your profile it probably is not a gag. Reading overview and seeing the rating makes me optimistic as well.

12gigabytes though? I have a few questions.

I.) Is this a game which you will be at one of the spectrum about... Is it a decisive love it/hate it situation?

II.) Not sure if this is one which can be answered and I understand the keep game A with game A and game B with game B discussion. But if it can be answered what would someone say is a similar project?

III.) Is the most recent update going to be that way for the foreseeable future? Or is it better to wait a week or two so as not to be updating a game I have yet to play anyways? Seeing Update 5 and a recent release date makes me curious if the previous 4 have all come recently?

IV.) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Appreciate any response. Im off to question a woodchuck.

 

[Henchmen13]

Walkthroughs are fantastic for this! And they help navigate the game besides. I do see what you're getting at, though. Maybe put a checklist in the gallery or something like that, just to help people see if/what they're missing.

I meant it more from "development stand point". I have some, minimal, experience with that due to which i am aware of "feature bloat". I am worried that we will possibly see more and more of that over time. Good point about that being "the whole art thing with Lucy" as well as "Concept where you can leave everyone to be with with the bartender" i love them but i feel like there "isn't enough difference between all options to justify the existence of all of them" or at least my mind jump onto that.

Of course, given Katharine hint that she plans to break any friendly relationships between the girls during the Exhibition during the punishment, i can't help but think about what will happen. ... I can see the "days between the third and fourth" exhibition having massive Branching. I don't mean that from story standpoint but from needing x2 or x3 or x4 depending on what we focus on before the culmination. Ian and helping him with his family situation, developing further what we have with Mina and/or Hana, dealing with all of the three others girls. ... Edwin in game remark that the "month is becoming a blur" which is true in that his schedule is more and more "filled with stuff 24/7". He even remarks that he hasn't studied as much as he would have liked to. I can see this becoming worse before it becomes better.

Point being, i worry "Icarus flies too close to the sin" situation.

As for Rosie, well i think my perception is coloured from the game but "porn is legal" and quite different from the club. Given what we have seen, plus how she enjoyed "threesome" and Ian remark about "the two/three of them filming" i can see see neutral endings related to that. It won't be the best, but it's something, and as single parent who have struggled for cash, even joined the club and experiencing all the fucked up shit happening, i can see her leaving thinking "filming porn isn't so bad as after all, not socially acceptable sure but not as fucked up as some other things". Even if she "losses and the club has to be compensated for dealing with the loan sharks" this option is way better than becoming"house girl". Plus she has "day job" which leaving every else aside, is another source of money. If she don't want more money, i can see her "moonlighting on the weekends" as an actress, depending on how the situation revolve even ask Veronica for advice.