He is doing it after he has realized she is, in fact, a woman and all his misogynist instincts kicked in. Which makes it an open question how he'll treat Victoria after/if Edwin tells him about Victoria's past. But doesn't really put into question his past behavior towards her, and when this development doesn't happen and his mental image of Victoria is "pure" so to speak.
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Yes, you 100% are. There's a dialogue between Edwin and Ian where Ian tells he never had a crush on Vic and he consider her as a mother figure.
Anyway, I think it's optional and you might have skipped it, but it doesn't matter because a lot of people here twist the story according to their wishful thinking.
Bro, you are free to believe in whatever the hell you want to believe in. Keep on believing until the day you will finally read the final dialogue word of the epilogue of this VN.
I guess we literally have to give up on these "Victoria must have sex with a younger bloke no-matter-who-he-is-I-just-want-to-see-it" dudes.
I give up.
Im currently on the second exhibition please somebody tell me there is a way to help all the girls or i don't think ill be emotionally able to complete this game. i feel so bad for all of them.
im on hana path the only scene i could get was that red hair girl then i used cheats and stuff to get rosalind one and the bartender one but like im said i use cheats if i played my normal routune i would only get the the first one
Can someone help me to interpret correctly what Vicky meant when she stammered: “To be honest, I never really... w-with my l-life... w-well, until I did...”?
Did she find fulfillment or the meaning of her life during the first disgusting recordings?
Did she find fulfillment or the meaning of her life during the first disgusting recordings?
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If you choose monogamy with Hana it should be clear that you'll miss out on a boatload of scenes with other girls.
It's completely worth it though because she's better than all these cheap hoes
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This update is absolutely fantastic and I've only updated one path save so far...
Hana x Mina + Kat + Rose + Bromance, positive in all friendships/relationships as much as possible. Edwin is moderately masochistic in this save and is expressing it surprisingly positively. Now I have to update on all the single paths, the Full Deal, Kat's prodigy, and others.
It's woven absolutely perfectly so far. The pacing is perfect, the renders are gorgeous, the animations are subtle and studious. I only saw one spelling error so far. I still believe this novel is the best there is and few others approach the rarified air Pale Carnations lives in.
And again... I'M NOT REALLY EVEN INTO THE BDSM TAG BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOOD HOW THE FUCK DO I CHOOSE JUST ONE
Hana x Mina + Kat + Rose + Bromance, positive in all friendships/relationships as much as possible. Edwin is moderately masochistic in this save and is expressing it surprisingly positively. Now I have to update on all the single paths, the Full Deal, Kat's prodigy, and others.
It's woven absolutely perfectly so far. The pacing is perfect, the renders are gorgeous, the animations are subtle and studious. I only saw one spelling error so far. I still believe this novel is the best there is and few others approach the rarified air Pale Carnations lives in.
And again... I'M NOT REALLY EVEN INTO THE BDSM TAG BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOOD HOW THE FUCK DO I CHOOSE JUST ONE
BrockLanders
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Do what I did, play multiple paths. Some it seems you'll be able to help everyone... it feels like you may not be able to free them all of what troubles them, but Edwin can be made to try earnestly to understand and help them cope... and (possibly) flourish. The writing is mature enough that you don't need to be involved with a LI in order to care about them in many respects. I know what you mean though, I play harem tag games a lot because I have so much trouble choosing sometimes!
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Is that how it works? It can't be... I thought that by starting a relationship with Hana she can only be with me, but these rules should not apply to me! I did this in other games and everything was smooth btwIf you choose monogamy with Hana it should be clear that you'll miss out on a boatload of scenes with other girls.
It's completely worth it though because she's better than all these cheap hoes
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No wishful thinking. You seem to be putting words in my mouth. All I said is I don't know where his line is, not that I wanted him and Victoria to smash. Chill.
The matter was adressed in a dialogue happened in one of the last three or four updates; even if I don't remember if Ian actually said he did never had a crush for Victoria.
P.S. I have said: «I don't remember», not: «He didn't say»!
Part of the written below is relative to the variables in the "in depth" Walkthrough. Take of that what you will.
Honestly the one thing i am most worried about is "exponential branching" as well as how much information about what happens in the "aftermath of the exhibition's ending" will be provided. This sounds very silly, especially if you consider how far into the future this is.
Dev, if you are reading this, i have small request for you. Make document with "potential endings" or something like that, prepared to be shared in case of "unforseen circumstances" in which the game can't be finished. Give what i have read about you the game most likely won't be dropped, but who knows what life can drop on you, plus this masterpiece will still need quite a bit of time to be finished, especially with more and more branching for each update, which seems to be the case.
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Honestly the one thing i am most worried about is "exponential branching" as well as how much information about what happens in the "aftermath of the exhibition's ending" will be provided. This sounds very silly, especially if you consider how far into the future this is.
Dev, if you are reading this, i have small request for you. Make document with "potential endings" or something like that, prepared to be shared in case of "unforseen circumstances" in which the game can't be finished. Give what i have read about you the game most likely won't be dropped, but who knows what life can drop on you, plus this masterpiece will still need quite a bit of time to be finished, especially with more and more branching for each update, which seems to be the case.
Ian confirmed gay and his womanizing is a giant beard stunt. Edwin is his one only
soul mate.
I mean Ian is absolutely a bro but he was also absolutely a piece of shit terrible boyfriend to Mina, and I think that's what was being referred to there.
Agree 100%.
I will confess this hadn't occurred to me, mostly because Veronica pushes Edwin away so hard due to that armor you mention. But now that the idea's in my head, I'm absolutely here for it.
This one I disagree with. Ian certainly seems very fond of Victoria as a surrogate mother figure and it's definitely possible that he'd hit that if he could, BUT:
1. It would absolutely destroy his relationship with Edwin, and an introspective-to-neutral Ian wouldn't be willing to do that.
2. I think he sees Victoria more as a mother than a woman, so I'm not sure it would even occur to him. That being said, with the revelation about her past, can that image of motherhood survive? I think it depends on how "good" of an influence Edwin has been and whether or not Ian is seeing the error of his ways.
I think we could indeed see an Ian redemption arc, but I don't agree that it feels forced. Edwin has several chances to try and rein in Ian's worst impulses and help him re-evaluate his choices and attitudes. If an Ian redemption arc is to happen with the aid of Edwin trying to push him back towards being a decent person, I personally think that could be earned rather than forced. Especially considering TD's writing and sense of character. TBH I'm personally kind of rooting for it to happen, but I guess we'll see.
I personally don't think Ian fucking Alice has anything to do with his misogyny -- well, okay, I guess it obviously does because there's some nasty power dynamics going on there. But I don't think that's the primary factor. I think Ian is banging her out of some twisted desire for the kind of motherly comfort he got from her before, tied up in a nasty tangled emotional mess with his self-hatred and self-destruction. Ian is a very broken person in some ways, many of which revolve around motherly love and comfort (and who could blame him? Grace is a horrible mom and Chuck is Ian's major male role model! This is not a person who will have any kind of healthy... anything, really, but especially attitudes towards women.). I think the reasons for Ian banging Alice are very tangled and extremely unhealthy and he one billion percent should be in therapy instead, but that doesn't make for as good of a story, so here we are.
I still don't see a "bad" ending for Veronica that is worse than needing to find a roommate and a job as a personal trainer someplace. I mean giving up one's dreams is bad; I'm not pretending it isn't. But I struggle to imagine a world where she has no choice but to become a house girl. The only way I see that happening is if she takes a loan from the club to try and save the gym even after she loses the competition, but I just don't think she would.
Felicia's bad ending is easier for me to imagine. After Elias joins the club, sees her gigacucking him, and divorces her, she'd be left with a lot fewer social options and a lot less comfort and spending money. The flip side of this is, perhaps she'd be able to find a different rich old guy in search of a trophy wife. It'd be a lot harder this time around since she'd be someone else's leftovers in a lot of eyes, but she's still smart, stylish, and super hot so it'd be possible. She'd be in a pretty shitty position for sure, though.
Rose.... yeah. Rose is fucked. House girl, porn star, or much worse possibilities exist if she doesn't win.
Walkthroughs are fantastic for this! And they help navigate the game besides. I do see what you're getting at, though. Maybe put a checklist in the gallery or something like that, just to help people see if/what they're missing.
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It was clear early on that both boys had the hots for each others' mothers, but it was not anything real.
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See, this is why I don't know what the fuck Ian might get up to. He doesn't know himself why he does half the stuff he does. He has strong attachments to Victoria, and with this new revelation, could his twisted mind (especially if he's non-introspective and has a beef with Edwin) decide to try and make a move? Probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out. He's like a debauchery wild card.
