VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

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For anybody... If you had to take an educated guess, how many more development years do you think will pass before TD and Gil reach the point at which they would consider the primary narrative arc of PC as being "complete"?

After this exhibition is done there's one week (with one more, final exhibition) left. The game is supposed to end shortly after that point, so you can sort of extrapolate current development time into how long it'll likely take to get the remaining 25% or so done.

tl;dr: 2 years or so would be probably reasonable. 5 years * 1.3 ~= 6.5 years, plus margin of error and/or epilogue.

 

[lustforsex]

Thank you for such an accurate answer. I probably won’t play then, since I’m not a fan of this genre.

There is no NTR or sharing content in the game. The closest thing to sharing is a threesome with your friend and one of the carnations, but you have no prior relationship with her, and this can be completely avoided. Additionally, during one exhibition event, you can refuse to perform, in which case your friend will do it with one of the carnations instead of you. Again, this is entirely optional.

If you're a fan of vanilla games, this one might challenge you. Some moments will feel awkward, while others might make you regret not trying this game sooner.

Personally, I prefer vanilla games and initially ignored this one, assuming it was all about humiliation. How wrong I was In my opinion, the dating aspects here are even better than in many popular vanilla games. So don’t let trolls, who often confuse their own fantasies with reality, talk you out of experiencing something truly special.

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[Ozymandias037]

I agree. The dating aspects and the more personal relationships with the characters outside the degradation of the exhibitions are my favorite parts. These characters are so well developed and so well written that I love spending time with them and getting to know them better, even more than I love degrading and humiliating them and fucking them into next week (and don't get me wrong, that's hot af too).

 

[ename144]

Is there a way to play with one girl where sharing won't be used? Or will this scenario happen anyway and there is no way to avoid it? Does it manifest as a scene with multiple men, or women?

There is no NTR or sharing content in the game. The closest thing to sharing is a threesome with your friend and one of the carnations, but you have no prior relationship with her, and this can be completely avoided. Additionally, during one exhibition event, you can refuse to perform, in which case your friend will do it with one of the carnations instead of you. Again, this is entirely optional.

If you're a fan of vanilla games, this one might challenge you. Some moments will feel awkward, while others might make you regret not trying this game sooner.

Personally, I prefer vanilla games and initially ignored this one, assuming it was all about humiliation. How wrong I was In my opinion, the dating aspects here are even better than in many popular vanilla games. So don’t let trolls, who often confuse their own fantasies with reality, talk you out of experiencing something truly special.

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While I strongly agree with lustforsex's reasoning, I do think it's important to understand that this game is about sexually exploiting the three Carnations. They're technically willing participants who volunteered for it, but only because their other choices are even worse. That isn't NTR or sharing in the strict sense, but it is certainly not vanilla. It's highly likely we will eventually see some or all of the Carnations being subjected to other men no matter how much we try to avoid it. That's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and if it's a deal breaker for you then I'd say it would be best to give this game a pass.

If you're on the fence about it, however, I will say that I find this game quite palatable despite a strong distaste for humiliation which normally torpedoes corruption games for me. I think the key aspect which makes Pale Carnations work for me is that trying to minimize the exploitation of the girls is (at least thus far) an entirely legitimate goal for the MC - even if it may ultimately be a quixotic one. To me, there's a world of difference between enduring an unpleasant scenario in the hope of a brighter tomorrow, and enduring it because the game thinks that's the only way a woman would get kinky.

But that's me. YMMV.

 

[pinuz1]

Thank you for such an accurate answer. I probably won’t play then, since I’m not a fan of this genre.

It's a shame that the first user that replied to you happened to be him, it's almost like he was trying to get you not to play the game with those replies, but it's not fair for you to miss this game just because the troll happened to be active at that time. In truth, the game has 0 NTR and basically no sharing scenes at all, and the few there are you have the choice to avoid them, is it a vanilla game? Not at all. But honestly, it has better one-on-one romance scenes than so many other visual novels that try hard to build cute and wholesome relationships but fail miserably.

The biggest factor is that in this game, characters are complex and interact in a story with a unique plotline, which leads you to some very good storytelling and memorable moments, the game has 2 characters that are far away from the main action and I'm sure anyone who likes more vanilla content will thoroughly enjoy them, will you like the other side of the game? who knows, maybe you'll hate it and drop the game, or you might end up loving those characters, I say give it a chance and decide by yourself if you like it.

 

[prpa]

If you're on the fence about it, however, I will say that I find this game quite palatable despite a strong distaste for humiliation which normally torpedoes corruption games for me. I think the key aspect which makes Pale Carnations work for me is that trying to minimize the exploitation of the girls is (at least thus far) an entirely legitimate goal for the MC - even if it may ultimately be a quixotic one. To me, there's a world of difference between enduring an unpleasant scenario in the hope of a brighter tomorrow, and enduring it because the game thinks that's the only way a woman would get kinky.

My thoughts exactly, I wish there were more games like this.

 

[Discrepancy]

I didn't liked this game at all

Why here and commenting though?

 

[Kameri]

It's been 5 years and a month since the release of prologue for this game, there are 4 weeks till the end of last exhibition and I'd guess after that for epilogues I'd say at least take half a week worth of content, there's more chances that it'd take more content then that so I could be wrong but no less than that. So that makes the total number of days to the games end to be around 31.5 days.

On average TD has been delivering 4 days an year because there are 20 days released so far in 5 years, 20/5=4.

So to complete the game with this pace He'd need 4 (in-game days) ×9 years= 32 (approx days in the complete game).
So yeah the approx number is somewhere around 4 years minus a few months because the 21st day is already approx halfway done.

I don't think discussing how long this visual novel will take to complete is helpful for anyone—it only sets expectations for readers when so much can change, and it may make the writer overly time-conscious, potentially adding unnecessary pressure. It's not like you can't enjoy it before it's finished.

 

[lustforsex]

Why here and commenting though?

He probably hates the fact that he likes this game, otherwise what's the point of all this?
Seriously, this is already his 3rd account on F95 and the second on Discord

 

[Discrepancy]

He probably hates the fact that he likes this game, otherwise what's the point of all this?
Seriously, this is already his 3rd account on F95 and the second on Discord

Damn, it goes deep then

 

[Dactess]

Is there a way to play with one girl where sharing won't be used? Or will this scenario happen anyway and there is no way to avoid it? Does it manifest as a scene with multiple men, or women?

Currently any "share" content with Mina and Hana has been avoidable. Mina has had more "share" scenes than Hana but you as the player has control over it.

And so far the only "share" content with Hana is a scene from her past during never have I ever or at the end of the last update where you get mina and her on a path with the Mc and Mina kisses Hana before Hana tells her they will discuss it. Mina can have a lesbian scene or a threesome that happen like a week after her break up and when she isn't technically in a relationship with MC so not too big a deal. She starts out with a boyfriend but I don't think you actually see anything with him. Like not even a kiss but I could be misremembering.

So I doubt they will up and decide to force content with those two on you later on. To me it looks like you will be able to be pretty exclusive with one of them (well the MC won't be) or possibly in a thruple with the 2 but unknown how that will turn out.

The carnations are essentially whores though so avoid falling for them and you should be fine. Though if you are like me, you might end up falling for Felicia anyways. But they are pretty open about what might happen with them during the exhibition so it's not like they are hiding it.


Honestly I would say give it a try. You are introduced to the exhibitions early on so if it is not your thing you can always quit but at the same time if you just treat it like a job for MC and just focus on supporting the carnations, it can be a fun experience. At least for me. Hana and Mina are enough for me and I haven't had anything forced on me with them. Treating the carnations as friends has been enough for me too, though I guess there could be something there after the month is over lol Obviously some might not agree with me but it is one of my favs, you might think the same.

My thoughts exactly, I wish there were more games like this.

Yeah I am pretty vanilla so the exhibition isn't exactly my cup of tea but that just allows me to relate to the MC. I am not really a closeted sadist but I understand trying to grapple with being a "good" person or letting loose. Giving into his desires or trying to support "friends". Pleasing the bosses or helping the carnations. Juggling the job and friendships adds a nice dynamic to the story.

 

[Dactess]

How to not fall for them? TD himself has said the game is more about carnations and less about other characters like mina and Hana and MC is literally their caretaker. You can skip conversations with them by pressing the Ctrl butten but you can't avoid it.

Or are you saying to not fall for them mentally because that's again very difficult because the whole focus of this game is on them, you'd literally be not falling for more than half of this game, why are you even playing the game then?

Eh more mentally. Obviously you can't skip their club content (though you can avoid their paths outside the club I think). I just meant avoid seeing them as Love Interests.

I just knew going in that they were "whoring" themselves out for one reason or another and we were shown what that might entail so I just kind of chose to see them more as friends lol I'm not saying it will be easy, I mean I did say I started to fall for felicia. That art exbibit and romantic night was just too damn much for me. However, if you see them as just another prostitute, you might be able to avoid falling for them.

That is me though, if you can't avoid developing feelings then yeah I could see how you wouldn't want to continue the AVN since with the 3 carnations, club related crap is unavoidable. I mean I don't see veronica as a LI, she is more of that friend that you can banter with, workout with, or talk about chicks with, so if the game forced a Mina and Veronica scene on me, then I might be slightly jealous. So I get where you are coming from.

 

[Shinceraderi]

How to not fall for them? TD himself has said the game is more about carnations and less about other characters like mina and Hana and MC is literally their caretaker. You can skip conversations with them by pressing the Ctrl butten but you can't avoid it.

Or are you saying to not fall for them mentally because that's again very difficult because the whole focus of this game is on them, you'd literally be not falling for more than half of this game, why are you even playing the game then?

( Sorry for the large amount of text, I use Google translate, and it's hard for me to structure my thoughts. I'm surprised that the game has such a high score, and that it can contain tragic content, without a chance to go the other way, you can only temporarily stop it.)
If a girl romantically opens up to the main character when she's alone with him, and then goes to a club and sleeps with a disgusting old man, then this is clearly not what I want from the game. For me, the romantic plot is the most important part, and the sexual content comes last. I don't mind a lot of fetishes, but sharing the main girls with other men is a taboo for me.
If you tell me that it's possible to follow a route where at least one girl doesn't sleep with nasty men, and that at the end of the exhibition there's an opportunity to save her or protect her from being used, then I’ll consider playing. The translation of the latest available chapter into my language will be released soon, so I have about a week to decide. If the game follows a scenario where, in the end, the best girls are publicly used at an exhibition (if I understood correctly what an "exhibition" is), then this game is definitely not for me. I hate plots where a girl or girls who have a romantic route with the main character sleep with other men — whether in front of him or behind his back. Yesterday, I was told on the Discord server that girls can be sexually humiliated even by disgusting old men. This is not vanilla content. From what I’ve gathered from the game’s description and from the kind people who responded to me, this seems to be a game about an elite prostitution club. The main female characters are prostitutes, and the plot seems to be heading toward a situation where they are eventually publicly used.

 

[colombianhoes]

( Sorry for the large amount of text, I use Google translate, and it's hard for me to structure my thoughts. I'm surprised that the game has such a high score, and that it can contain tragic content, without a chance to go the other way, you can only temporarily stop it.)
If a girl romantically opens up to the main character when she's alone with him, and then goes to a club and sleeps with a disgusting old man, then this is clearly not what I want from the game. For me, the romantic plot is the most important part, and the sexual content comes last. I don't mind a lot of fetishes, but sharing the main girls with other men is a taboo for me.
If you tell me that it's possible to follow a route where at least one girl doesn't sleep with nasty men, and that at the end of the exhibition there's an opportunity to save her or protect her from being used, then I’ll consider playing. The translation of the latest available chapter into my language will be released soon, so I have about a week to decide. If the game follows a scenario where, in the end, the best girls are publicly used at an exhibition (if I understood correctly what an "exhibition" is), then this game is definitely not for me. I hate plots where a girl or girls who have a romantic route with the main character sleep with other men — whether in front of him or behind his back. Yesterday, I was told on the Discord server that girls can be sexually humiliated even by disgusting old men. This is not vanilla content. From what I’ve gathered from the game’s description and from the kind people who responded to me, this seems to be a game about an elite prostitution club. The main female characters are prostitutes, and the plot seems to be heading toward a situation where they are eventually publicly used.

I mean, its literally a brothel or something, so you can definitely expect the main 3 carnations to get run down hard eventually.
Mina has some potential with her BF but i'd be surprised to see anything with Hana, still possible tho.
But everything is avoidable, so unless you dont wanna force those routes to happen, you should be fine

Coming to a brothel game seeking exclusivity is brave lol

 

[Shinceraderi]

I mean, its literally a brothel or something, so you can definitely expect the main 3 carnations to get run down hard eventually.
Mina has some potential with her BF but i'd be surprised to see anything with Hana, still possible tho.
But everything is avoidable, so unless you dont wanna force those routes to happen, you should be fine

Coming to a brothel game seeking exclusivity is brave lol

Most likely, I already know the answers to all my questions, but I'm trying to hold on to a non-existent thread that might lead to a happy ending in this story. This really is a brothel game, with all the scenarios that come with that.

 

[Dactess]

Most likely, I already know the answers to all my questions, but I'm trying to hold on to a non-existent thread that might lead to a happy ending in this story. This really is a brothel game, with all the scenarios that come with that.

It is hard to say what will happen when the game isn't done yet. I believe that with 2 of the characters, you will be able to avoid any content that you dislike. Mina and Hana are not prostitutes so they don't partake in the club activities, Hana works there but is not one of the working girls. Mina has bi curious points that you can get and she will bring up trying things with women, but you can avoid getting those points or just not push her towards doing that. And as for right now in game, you can go with a mostly exclusive relationship with Hana, the one not being exclusive is the MC due to his work at the club.

But yes, 3 of the carnations ( girls that partake in the exhibition ) will have unavoidable content. The only share content involves one of the girls and your friend but it is optional atm (if you don't count girl on girl as sharing which some don't). However, there are 2 events left for that that I know of and God knows what they will include. So they might be a bit much for a vanilla enjoyer.

I mean things are pretty much just going to be repeated at this point so all I can suggest is maybe giving it a try for yourself when the translation drops. I personally am a vanilla enjoyer. I dislike how NTR, sharing, and cucking (not saying the game has it just that I understand) make me feel so I avoid that crap and I get where you are coming from but I was able to still enjoy this game going down Mina and Hana's path, while trying to help the carnations. So you might too, but you can always stop playing if it is too much. And maybe use the walkthrough if you are really concerned.

And well the description says that you can leave the club behind for romance so maybe there is a way to convince the girls to stop this tomfoolery before anything really bad happens but that's just speculation.

I mean, its literally a brothel or something, so you can definitely expect the main 3 carnations to get run down hard eventually.
Mina has some potential with her BF but i'd be surprised to see anything with Hana, still possible tho.
But everything is avoidable, so unless you dont wanna force those routes to happen, you should be fine

Coming to a brothel game seeking exclusivity is brave lol

I figure the Killian boyfriend points will come into play but considering you nuke them if you go down her path, I doubt a threesome or a repeat of the Marlowe situation will happen. But what do I know.

I just assume you might be able to get them back together if MC turns her down. Just my 2 cents

 

[Shinceraderi]

It is hard to say what will happen when the game isn't done yet. I believe that with 2 of the characters, you will be able to avoid any content that you dislike. Mina and Hana are not prostitutes so they don't partake in the club activities, Hana works there but is not one of the working girls. Mina has bi curious points that you can get and she will bring up trying things with women, but you can avoid getting those points or just not push her towards doing that. And as for right now in game, you can go with a mostly exclusive relationship with Hana, the one not being exclusive is the MC due to his work at the club.

But yes, 3 of the carnations ( girls that partake in the exhibition ) will have unavoidable content. You do get the option to share one of them with a friend but that is optional and is the only content. However, there are 2 events left for that that I know of and God knows what they will include. So they might be a bit much for a vanilla enjoyer.

I mean things are pretty much just going to be repeated at this point so all I can suggest is maybe giving it a try for yourself when the translation drops. I personally am a vanilla enjoyer. I dislike how NTR, sharing, and cucking (not saying the game has it just that I understand) make me feel so I avoid that crap and I get where you are coming from but I was able to still enjoy this game going down Mina and Hana's path, while trying to help the carnations. So you might too, but you can always stop playing if it is too much. And maybe use the walkthrough if you are really concerned.

And well the description says that you can leave the club behind for romance so maybe there is a way to convince the girls to stop this tomfoolery before anything really bad happens but that's just speculation.




I figure the Killian boyfriend points will come into play but considering you nuke them if you go down her path, I doubt a threesome or a repeat of the Marlowe situation will happen. But what do I know.

I just assume you might be able to get them back together if MC turns her down. Just my 2 cents

Thank you for such a long and interesting answer! As far as I understand, Hana and Mina are not the girls who are called "3 carnations". If there is an opportunity to follow the script of Hana or Mina, who are currently not the "studs" of the club, then maybe I will try to play and see what the game is like, playing out a scenario that protects these girls from the influence of other people as much as possible. (at least as much as possible.)
Thank you for such a great comment — you’re really helping me with this issue. I understand that the best solution would be to explore the game on my own, but I’m very sensitive to NTR and similar content, so before playing, I try to find out as much as possible about whether these themes are present or not. Thanks again for explaining the plot! A translation of the latest available chapter into my native language will be released soon, so I have about a week to think things over and make a decision.

 

[pinuz1]

If you tell me that it's possible to follow a route where at least one girl doesn't sleep with nasty men, and that at the end of the exhibition there's an opportunity to save her or protect her from being used, then I’ll consider playing.

Yes, this is literally possible, don't listen to Wilhelms that guy has been thread banned twice already for trolling and even from the official discord where its just the 2 devs being chill interacting with their fans.

I think you will enjoy the game, give it a try .

 

[Shinceraderi]

Yes, this is literally possible, don't listen to Wilhelms that guy has been thread banned twice already for trolling and even from the official discord where its just the 2 devs being chill interacting with their fans.

I think you will enjoy the game, give it a try .

Thank you so much for your help — I really appreciate your advice. ❤

 

[colombianhoes]

I just assume you might be able to get them back together if MC turns her down. Just my 2 cents

Yeah, most likely. Mina surprisingly has many routes than other characters i noticed.
Theres romance and fuck buddy, then theres Killian or she can remain "single" and pursue other interests lol
Im definitely intrigued thats for sure, still cant decide which path to commit