VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[lustforsex]

Hey, man, this is not a typical waifu romance game. I don't think anyone, Carnation or not, is safe from what these wonderful perv devs can do to them. Judging by the three owners of the club and their as bad associates, the coup undercurrents, some of the more awful staff and guests, shit can get real. Why you wouldn't think the sexual decadence of the past exhibitions wouldn't recur or be exceeded seems an almost delusional daydream. They have to give their guests a show, or why would they still keep coming? Spectacles only get more so. This is definitely not a game for someone that can't deal with extreme shit happening to LIs.

Probably because there are new variables in the equation this time: Kathleen, who is ready for a major loss, Abel Van Doren and his hints that something might happen at the club, as well as the fact that Edwin might use his "harmlessness" (how others see him) for his own purposes, Elias's appearance at the next exhibition and perhaps most importantly - Edwin's very presence this time.

Personally, I am not under any illusion that this time everything might go differently than in previous shows. But at the same time, thinking that everything will definitely repeat itself is also stupid. I think many people want current summer exhibition to develop in the same old footsteps and that is normal. It's not normal to think only that our actions can't somehow influence this. The development of events can go in different ways depending on our actions.

In any case, whatever happens in the game, I will accept it and won't turn into another troll who creates dozens of new accounts and spills his nonsense on the forum This is the creation of TD and GIL, they have the right to do what they want and I won't stop respecting them, although I don't exclude the possibility that I may be disappointed. Still, I understand what thread I am in and it will be only my problem if everything doesn't go as I would like.

 

[ffive]

Felicia is the reason for the other half, right?

Laughs in* Mina.

*) literally in

 

[ffive]

Didn't know the MC was married

For what it's worth, Felicia mentions in her talk with Edwin that she and her husband have an agreement where they allow each other to sleep with other people.

 

[GamingSavant]

Probably because there are new variables in the equation this time: Kathleen, who is ready for a major loss, Abel Van Doren and his hints that something might happen at the club, as well as the fact that Edwin might use his "harmlessness" (how others see him) for his own purposes, Elias's appearance at the next exhibition and perhaps most importantly - Edwin's very presence this time.

Personally, I am not under any illusion that this time everything might go differently than in previous shows. But at the same time, thinking that everything will definitely repeat itself is also stupid. I think many people want current summer exhibition to develop in the same old footsteps and that is normal. It's not normal to think only that our actions can't somehow influence this. The development of events can go in different ways depending on our actions.

In any case, whatever happens in the game, I will accept it and won't turn into another troll who creates dozens of new accounts and spills his nonsense on the forum This is the creation of TD and GIL, they have the right to do what they want and I won't stop respecting them, although I don't exclude the possibility that I may be disappointed. Still, I understand what thread I am in and it will be only my problem if everything doesn't go as I would like.

Kathleen has hinted at making moves to have more control over the club by pushing Hana to partial ownership and replacing August, then having Hana relent that to Kathleen so she has higher influence. She's also been super forward with getting Edwin and Hana together because if she can control Edwin, she can indirectly influence Hana's decisions as well because Hana starts falling in love with him.

All 3 co-owners have shown their hand on wanting to groom a successor to replace them since they're getting old and can't manage the club forever. August sees it as a fine opportunity to pass it on to his estranged daughter that he's trying to reconnect with, Chuck wants to help Ian replace him but seems to be okay with Edwin doing so as well, and Kathleen sees Edwin as a kindred spirit and someone who can take over the Exhibitions when she finally leaves.

 

[DETROIT123_io]

"Did he hurt you in any way before we got here?"
"...he just knocked me down a couple of times.

Like a KISS from a Rose: Keep it simple, stupid. Especially when spinning tales.

Knocked down? She got punched? Any idea what happened to her?

 

[DETROIT123_io]

I dont know why people are arguing and debating on wierd topics? Specially because this game is such a masterpiece

 

[lustforsex]

I dont know why people are arguing and debating on wierd topics? Specially because this game is such a masterpiece

Sophia is the best match for Edwin.






/summon Turret

 

[Maccabbee]

Sophia is the best match for Edwin.






/summon Turret

Mommy issue much?

Hana is the best match for any man, so is Mina and Felicia (unless you're a prude or puritain).
V is the best match for any girl, tho.

 

[lustforsex]

I think TD can put all his money in the casino today. If not now, then when?

Mommy issue much?

Hana is the best match for any man, so is Mina and Felicia (unless you're a prude or puritain).
V is the best match for any girl, tho.

They can't compare with this beauty:

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[Turret]

Sophia is the best match for Edwin.
/summon Turret

You called upon me, what is your desire?

Mommy issue much?

Hana is the best match for any man, so is Mina and Felicia (unless you're a prude or puritain).
V is the best match for any girl, tho.

What mommy issues? Sophia is hardly an ersatz milf like Vicki and Rosi are. While older than Edwin, she is the youngest of the "grown up LI" faction. It should also not be underestimated how well they can connect with the other. Edwin asks himself why he can talk so easily with Sophia, even without the drug´s influence. They talk about things they normally would not do with others. Sophia´s genius comes coupled with eccentrism, she is hardly a honey trap.
Take a look at Sophia and Edwin, two nerds with various amounts of eccentrism. That is definitely a fit!

Besides that, Hana and Felica are a great match for Edwin. Mina, Dalia and Andrea follow. I would put Veronika and Rosi last without doubt.

 

[Turret]

Yes and no. The great part of Kathleen's pyscho-acceptable (that is, she is "our" psychopath) is that she can provide reasonable and valid arguments, while at the same time she can take a loss without making a fuss.
Removing August as a partner in favour of Hana means a couple of things, some of them are bad for the club: August is the Fixer, and while he resorts to illegal and violent means more often than not, he's quite correct in that an imperfect (as in violent, here) and fast solution is usually better than a perfect, yet late one (kinda military motto, btw). August, however, is not going to stop protecting the club, because it's Hana's "future", so Hana having August's part is perfect for Kathleen, because she can "leak" what she considers to August instead of having him there with a direct eye in the club.
In that regard, Kathleen is very unlikely to buy Hana's part (regardless of the issue of having the money!), but her reasoning would be "I'll keep her as long as possible", meaning "corrupt" Hana... which incidentally would be in line with August's wishes for Hana to "inherit" the whole of the family business.
But if needed, Kathleen may look for other investors that would buy Hana's part too. Ones she can control somehow. Or maybe by that time it's irrelevant since she is too old for keeping the pace.

As for the "grooming the next generation", the small problem here would be that Dr. Chuck will retire when he's dead (or with too many health problems to partake in certain excitements, and even so he looks to me like the one that will keep meddling until he dies or has a stroke), and that his "heir" would be Edwin (who seems to be more capable and determined than Ian, something coherent with having to claw his opportunities from fate, unlike "silver spoon" Ian who is so contrarian he doesn't even want to study photography... at least unless he discovers that, after bribing Edwin, his mother tried to blackmail Vicky).
TLDR, I think both Kat and Chuck don't really wanna leave, but making it look like they may spices things up, which is the sole purpose of the club.

Interessting argumentation! The only problem with this I see is that it is a side theatre for Kath. Her desire is clearly becoming the sole head honcho of the Club. That is one reason she got Abel and Sophia involved. Kath´s biggest problem with herself is that as a card carrying sadist, her desire for more and more influence, even when all is well for her, is pushing her to this gamble.(This is a mental thing most sadists exhibit) She definitely does not get that Abel and Sophia are helping her now because she is one way into the club. The two doctors have plans for the club which do not include any of the current leadership remaining.

 

[Turret]

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I think TD can put all his money in the casino today. If not now, then when?

They can't compare with this beauty:

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[se20299]

I don't know, Sophia doesn't really fit into the mommy archetype. She'd be the perfect girl next door if her hidden nerdy persona and superficial charm weren't belied by her almost autistic focus on her objective. She also obviously doesn't care for convetional morals or social norms, given her morally dubious line of work and her willingness to sleep with men at Abel's command. So while we'll most definitely get to bang her, I don't really see her as a "romance" option given her focused personality and almost fanatic loyalty to Abel.

As for Kat, what makes her such a great villain is that she's in the club for love of the game. She can't be reasoned or baragined with like August and Chuck can. To those two, depravity is a means to an end, to her depravity IS the end. The fact that she's working with Abel behind August's back shows she doesn't really care about the club beyond her games.

 

[Darreau91]

I don't know, Sophia doesn't really fit into the mommy archetype. She'd be the perfect girl next door if her hidden nerdy persona and superficial charm weren't belied by her almost autistic focus on her objective. She also obviously doesn't care for convetional morals or social norms, given her morally dubious line of work and her willingness to sleep with men at Abel's command. So while we'll most definitely get to bang her, I don't really see her as a "romance" option given her focused personality and almost fanatic loyalty to Abel.

I have to agree the Sophia being the mommy is a pretty far out there take. Rose is the best mom type for Edwin, the one love interest that closely resembles Edwin’s goddess of a mom the closest.

Sophia pegs wonderfully into the tube of hamburger with a calculator duck taped to it archetype.

 

[Maccabbee]

I don't know, Sophia doesn't really fit into the mommy archetype. She'd be the perfect girl next door if her hidden nerdy persona and superficial charm weren't belied by her almost autistic focus on her objective. She also obviously doesn't care for convetional morals or social norms, given her morally dubious line of work and her willingness to sleep with men at Abel's command. So while we'll most definitely get to bang her, I don't really see her as a "romance" option given her focused personality and almost fanatic loyalty to Abel.

As for Kat, what makes her such a great villain is that she's in the club for love of the game. She can't be reasoned or baragined with like August and Chuck can. To those two, depravity is a means to an end, to her depravity IS the end. The fact that she's working with Abel behind August's back shows she doesn't really care about the club beyond her games.

I don't know. Fucking Sophia, as hot as she is, seems too dangerous. She is likely to drug or kill you, just because she can.

 

[Turret]

I don't know, Sophia doesn't really fit into the mommy archetype.

Quite right! I do not know how that came up.

She also obviously doesn't care for convetional morals or social norms, given her morally dubious line of work and her willingness to sleep with men at Abel's command.

As we discussed before, Sophia is the amoral eccentric type. While it is likely that Sophia would sleep with men at Abel´s command, this is not quite sure! It was never revealed how the special gangbang came to be. It could be on command, but also a selftest by Sophia. As for when Abel proposed Sophia to Chuck, this was a no risk thing. Abel and Sophia know that Chuck has a near pathological need to win first, before he can enjoy his depravities. It was a sure thing that Chuck would decline. No risk for Sophia there.

So while we'll most definitely get to bang her, I don't really see her as a "romance" option given her focused personality and almost fanatic loyalty to Abel.

While the focused personality makes wooing her a bit different in how you do it, her loyality to Abel is less of a problem than you think in this case. Abel has a soft spot for our MC. Not only did he try to convince Edwin at first opportunity to go into medical research instead of general practice, he also personally home invaded his flat to warn him. While it might be part of a larger plan, the warning and promised help (can call Sophia in the case something goes haywire) was something Abel did not have to do in person. But he chose so.
I truly doubt Abel would be a road block if Sophia and Edwin would hit it off towards a relationship.

I don't know. Fucking Sophia, as hot as she is, seems too dangerous. She is likely to drug or kill you, just because she can.

Sophia surely can be dangerous if she needs to be, I am certain of this. But the various glimpses of her we can see show that "just because she can" does not fit her. Some smaller indulgences, yes, but nothing really big. Sophia is too calculating and eccentric for it.
Just because she can fits Kath to a t instead.

 

[Beduin123]

While it is likely that Sophia would sleep with men at Abel´s command, this is not quite sure! It was never revealed how the special gangbang came to be.

I also found that scene strange earlier in the game. I even didn't recognise her until other thread frequenters had pointed out that that was her.
I think she is the most mysterious figure in the game so far. May be more than Abel himself.

Sophia surely can be dangerous if she needs to be, I am certain of this. But the various glimpses of her we can see show that "just because she can" does not fit her

Her first appearance in Kathleen's office made an impression of demure submissive secretary but later it appeared completely misleading.

 

[nalgonas4ever]

TD1900!!! GIVE ME A WHOLESOME ENDING WITH RONNIE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!

 

[Birdnman993]

Mommy issue much?

Hana is the best match for any man, so is Mina and Felicia (unless you're a prude or puritain).
V is the best match for any girl, tho.

Hana would definitely be my second choice, but for me Mina would be the first, her sweetness is addictive and I think that of all the LI's she is the one who has had a great connection with Edwin's wishes, and perhaps Mina can cure his corrupted soul and stop being so cynical, but this is optional, maybe he is the one who corrupts our emerald-eyed blonde.

Felicia is also very good, she would take Hana's place by a very small margin, with veronica I would rather she had her own history flirting with women, she is very wasted being just a LI in the story.

As for Sophia we hardly know her, she's practically a femme Fatale who would kill us for going against the shady plans of her bosses, I personally would be careful around her.

 

[Ozymandias037]

Hey, man, this is not a typical waifu romance game. I don't think anyone, Carnation or not, is safe from what these wonderful perv devs can do to them. Judging by the three owners of the club and their as bad associates, the coup undercurrents, some of the more awful staff and guests, shit can get real. Why you wouldn't think the sexual decadence of the past exhibitions wouldn't recur or be exceeded seems an almost delusional daydream. They have to give their guests a show, or why would they still keep coming? Spectacles only get more so. This is definitely not a game for someone that can't deal with extreme shit happening to LIs.

Probably because there are new variables in the equation this time: Kathleen, who is ready for a major loss, Abel Van Doren and his hints that something might happen at the club, as well as the fact that Edwin might use his "harmlessness" (how others see him) for his own purposes, Elias's appearance at the next exhibition and perhaps most importantly - Edwin's very presence this time.

Personally, I am not under any illusion that this time everything might go differently than in previous shows. But at the same time, thinking that everything will definitely repeat itself is also stupid. I think many people want current summer exhibition to develop in the same old footsteps and that is normal. It's not normal to think only that our actions can't somehow influence this. The development of events can go in different ways depending on our actions.

In any case, whatever happens in the game, I will accept it and won't turn into another troll who creates dozens of new accounts and spills his nonsense on the forum This is the creation of TD and GIL, they have the right to do what they want and I won't stop respecting them, although I don't exclude the possibility that I may be disappointed. Still, I understand what thread I am in and it will be only my problem if everything doesn't go as I would like.

I agree with both of you here. I stand by the claim that there is nothing in the game or in any TD post that I have seen thus far that suggests a free-use scenario will definitely happen again. But I agree that you'd have to be a fool not to acknowledge that it could. It's pretty darn clear that nothing is off the table for exhibitions.

I dont know why people are arguing and debating on wierd topics? Specially because this game is such a masterpiece

I mean... we have to do something to stay busy till the next update, right?