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As quite a few players pointed out here more than once (yes, I am one of those players), this forum has THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of games with an incest tag slapped on them.

So, I'd really like to know why in the world you incest-guys always feel the urge to enter a non-incest themed game thread and ask for incest content. Why is it?
In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.
 

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In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.

I remember that TD1900 (the Author) wrote here that Pale Carnations is basically, in a few words, about sexual exploitation: how far money and power can sexually exploit people and how people deal with it.

Just think about how Edwin is dealing with his job/role in the Club and how Hana is dealing with the heritage her dad imposed her.

(TD1900, please say something if I misinterpreted you)

Quoting myself, "some players can't help but stick with their very own personal whims no matter what the story tells them". Incest guys just want to see it, no matter what. Just like the dudes who want to see some side characters - like Sophia - become main love interests out of the blue, just because.
 

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In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.
I don't like playing devil's advocate, especially since TD and GIL are perfectly able to speak for themselves... However, the malice here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Since TD and GIL stated they don't like and are not interested in incest themes, assuming they are lying and portraying them as mustache-twirling villains playing with the poor incest-loving players' hearts is hyperbolic at best and disingenuous at worst.

First of all, one of the main premises of the game is "Edwin discovers in the worst way possible that his mother was a porn actress - via her reel tapes. This shapes his character and his formative years in a twisted way, and still does it to this day, because the ideal image of his mother he has clashes with reality". Now, with such a premise, you could write the story in two ways: with or without incest. TD and GIL choose the latter because of their own preferences and tastes. That's all there is to it. Saying that the premise implies the need to write incest in the story is patently incorrect, since themes can be simply adjacent, not overlapping.
Then there's the second premise: the Pale Carnations club. Edwin comes in contact with the girls working there - and a parallel emerges. The girl are prostitutes, but what of his mother then? Was his mother prostituting herself, as they do? As the story progresses, themes blur again, but they do because they are resonant - adding incest to the mix would derail the plot entirely. Maybe it would be viable if the relationship between Edwin and his mother were the only theme; but we're talking of a completely different game.

Now, you could argue that there is no need to show Victoria's reels in game to the player, and insist so much on them. But the fact is, seeing the sex scenes with Victoria adds to the viscerality of the theme, and contribute to make Edwin's dilemma more explicit and poignant. If Edwin (and the player by extension) imagine Victoria as a saintess who was forced to debase herself for her son's sake, seeing her enjoying sex on tape is a gut punch - and a quick text description of the act wouldn't have the same effect.

All in all, realizing that other people taste differs from yours, and coping with the fact without any misplaced sense of entitlement, is what a rational adult person should do. TD and GIL may like portraying milfs having sex, and not like incest in the mix altogether. If one likes incest, I understand they'd like more games with the same themes, but painting the rest of the world as malicious towards them is infantile.
 
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I don't like playing devil's advocate, especially since TD and GIL are perfectly able to speak for themselves... However, the malice here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Since TD and GIL stated they don't like and are not interested in incest themes, assuming they are lying and portraying them as mustache-twirling villains playing with the poor incest-loving players' hearts is hyperbolic at best and disingenuous at worst.

First of all, one of the main premises of the game is "Edwin discovers in the worst way possible that his mother was a porn actress - via her reel tapes. This shapes his character and his formative years in a twisted way, and still does it to this day, because the ideal image of his mother he has clashes with reality". Now, with such a premise, you could write the story in two ways: with or without incest. TD and GIL choose the latter because of their own preferences and tastes. That's all there is to it. Saying that the premise implies the need to write incest in the story is patently incorrect, since themes can be simply adjacent, not overlapping.
Then there's the second premise: the Pale Carnations club. Edwin comes in contact with the girls working there - and a parallel emerges. The girl are prostitutes, but what of his mother then? Was his mother prostituting herself, as they do? As the story progresses, themes blur again, but they do because they are resonant - adding incest to the mix would derail the plot entirely. Maybe it would be viable if the relationship between Edwin and his mother were the only theme; but we're talking of a completely different game.

Now, you could argue that there is no need to show Victoria's reels in game to the player, and insist so much on them. But the fact is, seeing the sex scenes with Victoria adds to the viscerality of the theme, and contribute to make Edwin's dilemma more explicit and poignant. If Edwin (and the player by extension) imagine Victoria as a saintess who was forced to debase herself for her son's sake, seeing her enjoying sex on tape is a gut punch - and a quick text description of the act wouldn't have the same effect.

All in all, realizing that other people taste differs from yours, and coping with the fact without any misplaced sense of entitlement, is what a rational adult person should do. TD and GIL may like portraying milfs having sex, and not like incest in the mix altogether. If one likes incest, I understand they'd like more games with the same themes, but painting the rest of the world as malicious towards them is infantile.
Well, I read your post as saying that you share a similar opinion to mine, but in much more detail than I did.
That the context of Edwin's character and position/behavior in the club is also significantly influenced by his memories of his mother and her professional career. And that this was the reason why the developers created such a background for the mother, and not the idea of “incest.”

But if I were a developer, I wouldn't be able to resist playing with the speculations and expectations of some members here.
 

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I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Victoria gets so many flashbacks because I like seeing them and my character writing is about as subtle as a brick. I simply started from the premise that moms slutting themselves out is hot, and then tried to hang some pathos off that/make it fit a story. That's all there is to it. The fact it drives some people mad is just an incdental bonus.
 

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Victoria gets so many flashbacks because I like seeing them and my character writing is about as subtle as a brick. I simply started from the premise that moms slutting themselves out is hot, and then tried to hang some pathos off that/make it fit a story. That's all there is to it. The fact it drives some people mad is just an incdental bonus.
But still It can become a great path, i mean think about, you have already made a path where the "mom" wants to sell the house, maybe because of money problems, and now she's beck to the "club" and mc has to take care of her, their bond "deepens" and somehow in one ending they end up together, i mean come on, pretty please, I have been playing this game since the beginning/release, and stuck to it because it implied mom/son, i know hundreds of incest games are out there but this is completely different, so again pretty please, do if for a fan TT
 

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But still It can become a great path, i mean think about, you have already made a path where the "mom" wants to sell the house, maybe because of money problems, and now she's beck to the "club" and mc has to take care of her, their bond "deepens" and somehow in one ending they end up together, i mean come on, pretty please, I have been playing this game since the beginning/release, and stuck to it because it implied mom/son, i know hundreds of incest games are out there but this is completely different, so again pretty please, do if for a fan TT
Least horny incest lover. :Kappa:
 

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But still It can become a great path, i mean think about, you have already made a path where the "mom" wants to sell the house, maybe because of money problems, and now she's beck to the "club" and mc has to take care of her, their bond "deepens" and somehow in one ending they end up together, i mean come on, pretty please, I have been playing this game since the beginning/release, and stuck to it because it implied mom/son, i know hundreds of incest games are out there but this is completely different, so again pretty please, do if for a fan TT
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You have to let it go, brother. It's for your own mental well-being.
 

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In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players.
Well, in my opinion they are doing no such thing. Your mother didn't dangle an incest carrot in front of you by giving birth to you, or by having breasts. And if you have a sister, she also doesn't exist to dangle a carrot in front of you. Neither does you sister dangle an incest carrot in front of you by not having died quickly, or by not having run away from home, or, gasp, even by going through puberty.

The incest taboo isn't just a taboo of all societies worldwide; there is a natural biological process that prevents people from being sexually interested in anyone they grew up with or anyone who grew up with them. It obviously doesn't work in all cases, and can be overridden in other cases. But everyone in Pale Carnations behaves in ways that are 100% compatible with the biological anti-incest mechanism being 100% working in their cases.

PS: You could argue that different to real life and regular fiction, in porn every living female relative is an instance of . However, Chekhov's gun need not be fired by the protagonist. It can instead be fired by someone else. Or the protagonist can rely on it only to discover, when he needs it, that he forgot to buy ammunition. Or someone else can use it to beat the protagonist to death. Or it may become the reason for the police to search the protagonist's house, in which search they find his stash of illegal drugs.

Returning to female relatives, in the absence of very specific signals, most of us will not jump to the conclusion that the protagonist will have sex with them, because most of us are actually not interested in incest. Though of course a lot of porn consumers are, making it economically rewarding to include this kink. But there are enough people without this kink to make stories without incest perfectly viable as well.
 
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But still It can become a great path, i mean think about, you have already made a path where the "mom" wants to sell the house, maybe because of money problems, and now she's beck to the "club" and mc has to take care of her, their bond "deepens" and somehow in one ending they end up together, i mean come on, pretty please, I have been playing this game since the beginning/release, and stuck to it because it implied mom/son, i know hundreds of incest games are out there but this is completely different, so again pretty please, do if for a fan TT
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5 years of following the game and everything goes to waste because there will be no incest. What a cruel world we live in :cry:
where did you hear there will be incest? Because it ain't in the tags and the devs never said it would.
 

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I quite literally will never understand why people beg for incest, I feel like seeing Victoria scenes should be enough, you can see her get fucked in the flashbacks, and hell maybe in the present at some point, but why does it have to be Edwin the one who fucks her? what does it add?

From my experience, incest plots tend to have horrible buildup. It's always "Omg I'm so horny because my son has a 20 inch dick and I'm sexually frustrated so I have to fuck him" (?) the lead-up scenes are awkward as hell and just terrible writing. No visual novel I've read has made me feel like incest has added anything meaningful to the relationship, even if some handle it better than others, most just end up using the the same clichés.

They could write about a younger character falling in love with an older woman and actually go in depth on how that whole relationship could go, but no, it's always the same cliche bullshit scenes. Do people really get hard just for thinking someone is fucking their own mom? is that all it takes? I guess Sigmund Freud was fucking right.
 
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