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Great730

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Yes incest would be a fun and very interesting event in this game, but it doesn't fit with Edwin himself. The only thing I'm interested in is the endings, or rather, the bad endings. For example, the club bought back Rosalind's debt, and now she's a club's obedient toy. Alternatively, the club didn't buy back her debt, and now she's just a gangster's toy.
 
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MagicMan753

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You can have Rosalind call you “Son” and you get to call her “Mom” during a challenge.
I was just thinking about this while reading comments. And I would love this to come back during a Rosalind scene during the final week, maybe have an option to do a bit of mommy roleplay during a sex scene, or a portion or something at least, would be cool.
 

Lusurbur

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would like incest aswell tbh but i can respect the devs never doing it regardless i wish girls like lucy and kathleen got more attention. I just like hags in general....
 
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nalgonas4ever

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I don't really care about incest but what I do care about is to have an ending with the crazy hag where they love eachother and enjoy their days tormenting the poor girls in the club and not for the saddistic shit or any of that but because I love that woman. So thanks a lot devs, you made enjoy a psycho like her.
 

Ottoeight

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would like incest aswell tbh but i can respect the devs never doing it regardless i wish girls like lucy and kathleen got more attention. I just like hags in general....
As quite a few players pointed out here more than once (yes, I am one of those players), this forum has THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of games with an incest tag slapped on them.

So, I'd really like to know why in the world you incest-guys always feel the urge to enter a non-incest themed game thread and ask for incest content. Why is it?
 

hzjujk

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As quite a few players pointed out here more than once (yes, I am one of those players), this forum has THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of games with an incest tag slapped on them.

So, I'd really like to know why in the world you incest-guys always feel the urge to enter a non-incest themed game thread and ask for incest content. Why is it?
In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.
 

Ottoeight

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In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.

I remember that TD1900 (the Author) wrote here that Pale Carnations is basically, in a few words, about sexual exploitation: how far money and power can sexually exploit people and how people deal with it.

Just think about how Edwin is dealing with his job/role in the Club and how Hana is dealing with the heritage her dad imposed her.

(TD1900, please say something if I misinterpreted you)

Quoting myself, "some players can't help but stick with their very own personal whims no matter what the story tells them". Incest guys just want to see it, no matter what. Just like the dudes who want to see some side characters - like Sophia - become main love interests out of the blue, just because.
 

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In this case, the answer is: because, in my opinion, the developers themselves are playing with this fetish and repeatedly dangling this carrot in front of the players. No matter what the two developers keep writing, that there will be no incest because Patreon prohibits it or they don't like this topic, images keep popping up that keep this topic alive.
I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Apart from the fact that many people infer from the constellation that Edwin's mother once made porn that this is a prerequisite for this woman's low moral standards, in reality it is only meant to be an explanation for why Edwin is portrayed as the character he is.
I don't like playing devil's advocate, especially since TD and GIL are perfectly able to speak for themselves... However, the malice here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Since TD and GIL stated they don't like and are not interested in incest themes, assuming they are lying and portraying them as mustache-twirling villains playing with the poor incest-loving players' hearts is hyperbolic at best and disingenuous at worst.

First of all, one of the main premises of the game is "Edwin discovers in the worst way possible that his mother was a porn actress - via her reel tapes. This shapes his character and his formative years in a twisted way, and still does it to this day, because the ideal image of his mother he has clashes with reality". Now, with such a premise, you could write the story in two ways: with or without incest. TD and GIL choose the latter because of their own preferences and tastes. That's all there is to it. Saying that the premise implies the need to write incest in the story is patently incorrect, since themes can be simply adjacent, not overlapping.
Then there's the second premise: the Pale Carnations club. Edwin comes in contact with the girls working there - and a parallel emerges. The girl are prostitutes, but what of his mother then? Was his mother prostituting herself, as they do? As the story progresses, themes blur again, but they do because they are resonant - adding incest to the mix would derail the plot entirely. Maybe it would be viable if the relationship between Edwin and his mother were the only theme; but we're talking of a completely different game.

Now, you could argue that there is no need to show Victoria's reels in game to the player, and insist so much on them. But the fact is, seeing the sex scenes with Victoria adds to the viscerality of the theme, and contribute to make Edwin's dilemma more explicit and poignant. If Edwin (and the player by extension) imagine Victoria as a saintess who was forced to debase herself for her son's sake, seeing her enjoying sex on tape is a gut punch - and a quick text description of the act wouldn't have the same effect.

All in all, realizing that other people taste differs from yours, and coping with the fact without any misplaced sense of entitlement, is what a rational adult person should do. TD and GIL may like portraying milfs having sex, and not like incest in the mix altogether. If one likes incest, I understand they'd like more games with the same themes, but painting the rest of the world as malicious towards them is infantile.
 
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hzjujk

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I don't like playing devil's advocate, especially since TD and GIL are perfectly able to speak for themselves... However, the malice here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Since TD and GIL stated they don't like and are not interested in incest themes, assuming they are lying and portraying them as mustache-twirling villains playing with the poor incest-loving players' hearts is hyperbolic at best and disingenuous at worst.

First of all, one of the main premises of the game is "Edwin discovers in the worst way possible that his mother was a porn actress - via her reel tapes. This shapes his character and his formative years in a twisted way, and still does it to this day, because the ideal image of his mother he has clashes with reality". Now, with such a premise, you could write the story in two ways: with or without incest. TD and GIL choose the latter because of their own preferences and tastes. That's all there is to it. Saying that the premise implies the need to write incest in the story is patently incorrect, since themes can be simply adjacent, not overlapping.
Then there's the second premise: the Pale Carnations club. Edwin comes in contact with the girls working there - and a parallel emerges. The girl are prostitutes, but what of his mother then? Was his mother prostituting herself, as they do? As the story progresses, themes blur again, but they do because they are resonant - adding incest to the mix would derail the plot entirely. Maybe it would be viable if the relationship between Edwin and his mother were the only theme; but we're talking of a completely different game.

Now, you could argue that there is no need to show Victoria's reels in game to the player, and insist so much on them. But the fact is, seeing the sex scenes with Victoria adds to the viscerality of the theme, and contribute to make Edwin's dilemma more explicit and poignant. If Edwin (and the player by extension) imagine Victoria as a saintess who was forced to debase herself for her son's sake, seeing her enjoying sex on tape is a gut punch - and a quick text description of the act wouldn't have the same effect.

All in all, realizing that other people taste differs from yours, and coping with the fact without any misplaced sense of entitlement, is what a rational adult person should do. TD and GIL may like portraying milfs having sex, and not like incest in the mix altogether. If one likes incest, I understand they'd like more games with the same themes, but painting the rest of the world as malicious towards them is infantile.
Well, I read your post as saying that you share a similar opinion to mine, but in much more detail than I did.
That the context of Edwin's character and position/behavior in the club is also significantly influenced by his memories of his mother and her professional career. And that this was the reason why the developers created such a background for the mother, and not the idea of “incest.”

But if I were a developer, I wouldn't be able to resist playing with the speculations and expectations of some members here.
 

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I think it's a malicious and humorous game that the developers are playing here. It serves as advertising, but it's also fun for the two of them to play with us consumers over and over again.
Victoria gets so many flashbacks because I like seeing them and my character writing is about as subtle as a brick. I simply started from the premise that moms slutting themselves out is hot, and then tried to hang some pathos off that/make it fit a story. That's all there is to it. The fact it drives some people mad is just an incdental bonus.
 
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