THIS! 100% this. Exactly my argument. Overlong waits scare off the loosely interested and fencesitters. I once again want to mention the example of ORS. Patrons voted for waiting however long, the wait then was very long. Hurt the game seriously, because Eva Kiss, the dev, is trying very hard to reduce the waiting times for new chapters and a halfway consistent interval, even engaging more helpers. That is surefire proof how the year long wait hurt the game outside the patron bubble.
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I was very solidly in the "wait until it's done" camp, but y'all have put forward some pretty solid arguments in favor of splitting. I don't think it's enough to make me completely switch teams, but it's definitely enough that I won't be disappointed if they decide to go that route. The financial incentives (assuming it actually works out that way) are pretty solid, but TD's point that in the long run it won't make any difference whatsoever was probably the most convincing one, IMO.
This is correct, but seniorboop is also right that PC has not the support this high grade product deserves! And while part of it is the content, which scares some vanilla and specific fetish players off, delivery of updates plays a role as well. Seniorboop and I do not suck this out of our fingers. I´m in logistics in real life and can assure you that the negative impact of inconsistent supply and overlong waiting times on products and services is severe!
I wish TD1900 , GIL3D and their really great game the very best and so I cannot be silent on this. It is the reason I was for a split from the start (even if I would like an all-in-one release too), esp. since we are now in an usual timeframe of an update.
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It didn’t help Eva’s quality dipped in some recent updates due to health reasons and still forcing out the updates. It resulted in EVA and her team reusing assets for sex scenes which is way more obvious then reusing dialogue assets in a porn game.
While there are a couple parallels between ORS and PC, the quality hasn’t dipped in the sex scenes and the updates have still been meaty for PC. It’s not a good comparison atm.
The highest revenue AVN, Being A Dik, is a year and half update schedule. The core base will be there and if the quality is still there, fringe payers will come around since quality AVNs aren’t unlimited. PC has been consistently on top of the weighted rating on F95 so the reputation and trust is there.
In marketing, scarcity will drive demand, see new IPhone launches or Grand Theft Auto. If money is the driving force, don’t pick a niche genre in BDSM while using the 2nd most popular “ game engine” that happens to be love it or hate it in Honey Select. That already knee capped revenue growth for PC.
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It's sad to see how people are really starting to split into camps, although both sides have good arguments, and not just "the update is needed here and now because my pipi is already tired of waiting" or "let them cook because I can wait 2 years".
Btw, one YouTube channel that positions itself as an "AVN reviewer" released a video some time ago, where PC was on the list of games (which consists games that milk their audience or make long-term reworks) that he won't touch until it's completed, arguing that the development time between updates is very long (ofc he turns a blind eye to other projects with similar release schedules, but much less content).
I understand that it's stupid to rely on the opinion of such "reviewers", but no matter how stupid it may sound, they have an audience and set a trend. This is food for thought
Btw, one YouTube channel that positions itself as an "AVN reviewer" released a video some time ago, where PC was on the list of games (which consists games that milk their audience or make long-term reworks) that he won't touch until it's completed, arguing that the development time between updates is very long (ofc he turns a blind eye to other projects with similar release schedules, but much less content).
I understand that it's stupid to rely on the opinion of such "reviewers", but no matter how stupid it may sound, they have an audience and set a trend. This is food for thought
I call this "Not Enough Real Life Syndrome" and it is a very serious disease. For example, I can await two years without problems, but if the developers decide to split the update in two or three, to give us an update every eight months, I would not complain. Why? Because I have other and more important thing to care; in fact I have played some updates three or four months after the public release.
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I think you guys are being too dramatic, they asked their Patreons and gave them both options, they will be fine with either.
It's also not like their Patreon numbers are bad at all, even if they split revenue they have good numbers or at least to similar games.
It's also not like their Patreon numbers are bad at all, even if they split revenue they have good numbers or at least to similar games.
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Ideas for the next polls:
1. Would we lose you as a paid member if we decided to split the update regardless of the last poll's outcome?
2. We love Hana as much as you do. Would you still play the game if she gets written out of the story?
3. Splitting the update won't change the overall quality of the game.
4. In a world where the average consumer has an increasingly short attention span, wouldn't splitting the next update be the more sensible option?
1. Would we lose you as a paid member if we decided to split the update regardless of the last poll's outcome?
a) Yes.
b) No.2. We love Hana as much as you do. Would you still play the game if she gets written out of the story?
a) Yes, she isn't an integral part of the story
b) No, I like her too much. Let's split the update.3. Splitting the update won't change the overall quality of the game.
a) I agree.
b) No, I don't think so.4. In a world where the average consumer has an increasingly short attention span, wouldn't splitting the next update be the more sensible option?
a) Yes, I strongly agree.
b) I actually prefer Gouda over Brie.
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I mean I fully support the PC team as long as they release the game when I want! :b But most importantly, who wouldn't prefer Gouda to Brie!?
#SavoryCheeseSupremacy but #TheyAllHaveDifferentUses
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Devs: Do you guys prefer now or later?
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Stranded on an island, a wheel of Brie can be used as a soft pillow. Sleeping with a Gouda? No, thank you.
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Of course! Why didn't I think of that!? You're right. Then a mattress of Fontina, and a blanket of provolone with a duvet of Oaxaca.
Veering off-topic so BEWBS SPLIT THE RELEASE NOW VICTORIA NEEDS THE MONEY.
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At this point, I think it was a mistake to ask the opinion of the fans at all. The best option would've been for TD to pick a choice and stick to it, because whatever he chooses right now will leave a portion of the fans unhappy because he made such a huge show of making fans choose.
I know both him and GIL value transparency, but until the exibition comes out, this thread will be insufferable for the foreseeable future, no matter what.
I know both him and GIL value transparency, but until the exibition comes out, this thread will be insufferable for the foreseeable future, no matter what.
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I kinda disagree with this, I think the discussion will cease if TD and GIL decide to release early, and I say this as someone that favors mostly the wait camp. If they decide to release early the people that want to wait will just wait, or like me accept and gladly play it as soon as available. But if they decide they won't split I can see this discussion lasting for much longer yeah.
Unfortunately, the results of the poll may muddy the waters with some patreons if they choose to split and relase the update early.
If some of the supporters(Which are in the "Relase it all in one go" camp) think the cutoff point was at a less than desirable time or they find the content of the update not up to their expectations they may passive aggresively engage with the others that thought the split was the better idea.
It's a catch 22, whichever choice they make someone is going to be dissapointed, unfortunately.
I've already expressed my view on the topic so I won't speak anymore but I sincerely hope whichever choice TD and GIL make will be the one that ends up being better for the future reputation of the game as well as themselves.
As for those who may be dissapointed with what they chose to do in the end, PLEASE don't create drama or fights with either the developers or other players and/or supporters. If it's spoilers that trouble you, just try to find some other thing to occupy your time while waiting for both parts of the update.