VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[fred9320]

if you wanna kill your game, make people pay for updates.... it will be dead in 2 months

 

[MagicMan753]

Erm, debatable. I'm not sure if it has been said directly, but I'm pretty sure Felicia enjoys the luxurious life her marriage provides and wants to keep it.


That being said, her husband entering the club is a clear setup for marriage failure.

If she enjoys it so much, why did she enter the competition. She wants to be independent, she wants things for herself. If she enjoys it so much why is martial duties to her just a handjob, not full sex, and why even call them marital duties in first place, doesn't really show affection or love.

Yes, she may enjoy bits and pieces of it, everyone would, but she wants something else that her marriage can't provide, which is whole reason she became a Carnation in the first place.

And their marriage was already over before her husband entered the club, this is just going to speed it along. If their marriage was good she wouldn't have became a Carnations, hooked up with us multiple times, other reasons, and their communication and sex life would be good. So their marriage was well over before the husband even officially joined the club

 

[Turret]

If she enjoys it so much, why did she enter the competition. She wants to be independent, she wants things for herself. If she enjoys it so much why is martial duties to her just a handjob, not full sex, and why even call them marital duties in first place, doesn't really show affection or love.

Yes, she may enjoy bits and pieces of it, everyone would, but she wants something else that her marriage can't provide, which is whole reason she became a Carnation in the first place.

And their marriage was already over before her husband entered the club, this is just going to speed it along. If their marriage was good she wouldn't have became a Carnations, hooked up with us multiple times, other reasons, and their communication and sex life would be good. So their marriage was well over before the husband even officially joined the club

That is one of the main points in all discussions about Felicia. Her marriage is a contract, be the perfect trophy wife for Elias, he pays for it. There are clauses in the contract which gives both some "free space", so Felicia having some discreet fun with Edwin, like the club in the beginning, is unproblematic.
What Elias completely botched and should never have done even in a pure business marriage, was taunting and not helping Felicia when the issue of her old art school arose. We can learn over the course of PC that Elias is so rich, while saving/reopening Feli´s art school would be a substantial investment, he could have paid for it with the post stamp money so to speak. And even gotten a lot of good PR doing it.

Elias completely misread Felicia, he did never see what a raw gem he landed with her. Felicia is a bright, talented artist and a beauty, he could have gotten her complete loyality and more into the future if he would have helped her. Her art school was one of the few things which really mattered to Felicia, it wasn´t just a whim.
Not helping and more so taunting her with her powerlessness was the thing which broke the camel´s back. The marriage was over the moment he started tormenting Felicia with the fact he could easily save or reopen (it is not completely clear if the school was still open at first or would have to be reopened) her school, but would not just to show who has the money.
Even in a pure business arrangement such behaviour would be a grave error.

 

[bonerland]

That is one of the main points in all discussions about Felicia. Her marriage is a contract, be the perfect trophy wife for Elias, he pays for it. There are clauses in the contract which gives both some "free space", so Felicia having some discreet fun with Edwin, like the club in the beginning, is unproblematic.
What Elias completely botched and should never have done even in a pure business marriage, was taunting and not helping Felicia when the issue of her old art school arose. We can learn over the course of PC that Elias is so rich, while saving/reopening Feli´s art school would be a substantial investment, he could have paid for it with the post stamp money so to speak. And even gotten a lot of good PR doing it.

Elias completely misread Felicia, he did never see what a raw gem he landed with her. Felicia is a bright, talented artist and a beauty, he could have gotten her complete loyality and more into the future if he would have helped her. Her art school was one of the few things which really mattered to Felicia, it wasn´t just a whim.
Not helping and more so taunting her with her powerlessness was the thing which broke the camel´s back. The marriage was over the moment he started tormenting Felicia with the fact he could easily save or reopen (it is not completely clear if the school was still open at first or would have to be reopened) her school, but would not just to show who has the money.
Even in a pure business arrangement such behaviour would be a grave error.

You know, this has me thinking that Felicia’s inevitable getting caught will be where we see the payoff for her confidence points; having seen the end results of her “marital duties” makes me think that her turning the tables on Elias and actively humiliating him will be the key to getting her through and also will be one of the factors that lets her win the competition.

 

[Turret]

You know, this has me thinking that Felicia’s inevitable getting caught will be where we see the payoff for her confidence points; having seen the end results of her “marital duties” makes me think that her turning the tables on Elias and actively humiliating him will be the key to getting her through and also will be one of the factors that lets her win the competition.

That is a good idea, can definitely see it. Also other situations which will come up, esp. when the club situation will get topsy-turvy soon. When the hostile takeover of Pale Carnations, which is lurking in the background, takes place, a confident Felicia might come in handy and getting what she wants too. Considering that two certain doctors, who for all their faults have a humanitarian streak, will be those deciding some stuff, a Felicia knowing what she wants might simply get it.

 

[mxfxsa]

Does he fuck his mom in this game?

 

[imagica]

Does he fuck his mom in this game?

Nooooooppeee

 

[Sheffron]

Does he fuck his mom in this game?

SHE IS HOT BUT NO

 

[Fapparition]

If she enjoys it so much, why did she enter the competition. She wants to be independent, she wants things for herself. If she enjoys it so much why is martial duties to her just a handjob, not full sex, and why even call them marital duties in first place, doesn't really show affection or love.

Yes, she may enjoy bits and pieces of it, everyone would, but she wants something else that her marriage can't provide, which is whole reason she became a Carnation in the first place.

And their marriage was already over before her husband entered the club, this is just going to speed it along. If their marriage was good she wouldn't have became a Carnations, hooked up with us multiple times, other reasons, and their communication and sex life would be good. So their marriage was well over before the husband even officially joined the club

Ok, we need to level with each other. I hope we can agree that the marriage between Felicia and Elias is some sort of social contract with its own pros and cons. It works like a scale — if the pros outweigh the cons, then one would want to continue the marriage; if the cons outweigh the pros, then one would want to end it.

So, when you say 'Felicia doesn't enjoy, want, or even like this marriage,' what I hear is that Felicia doesn’t want it as a whole — pros and cons combined. 'She doesn't enjoy marital duties' — well, yeah, those are the cons. But as I said earlier, I think the pros still outweigh the cons, thus Felicia wants to continue her marriage.

The reason she became a Carnation is more complex than you gave it credit for, imo. Elias rejecting her plea to save the art school shook the scales, yes, but I still don't believe their marriage was 'already over.' If Felicia hadn’t learned about the club, I think she would have gritted her teeth and kept the marriage — too much to lose. But she did learn about it, and those two factors combined created enough impulse for her to strive for more. Felicia now sees a new ladder — one she can use to replace the previous one (her marriage to Elias) — to get even more pros while shedding all the cons. A huge gamble, but one she’s willing to take.

What Elias completely botched and should never have done even in a pure business marriage, was taunting and not helping Felicia when the issue of her old art school arose.

About that — I might be wrong, but I tried to see it from Elias' perspective. In his view of this 'social contract,' Felicia should know her place. It's like this: imagine you have a dog, and you’re willing to give it some food from your dining table. But at some point, the dog starts to jump onto a chair and take what it wants from the table itself. Not the prettiest comparison, but I feel that’s how Elias would see it. By refusing Felicia, he was showing her where she belongs.

 

[MagicMan753]

You know as we are close to finishing up the third exhibition, and entering the final week, sadly, I hope for big dates. I feel like some characters didn't get big dates or outings. Rose and Mina.

Rose is one of my favorite characters, so I hope fo see a big date from her, going out to dinner, or doing some fun activity, rather than just stay in the apartment. And Mina's felt kind of short, then went to hotel.

So we can give big dates to all characters, I guess, but I think these two need something big, considering that the other 3 had big outings already, so this is one of my wants for the final week, especially Rose, I want a big romantic date, ending in a very sweet long romantic love scene with her, cause her main update of the week, just felt a bit short and quick to me, and would like something a bit more substantial from her, imo.

 

[lustforsex]

Imagine being 34 years old, having Felicia's looks and intelligence, and a prenuptial agreement that forbids you from having children. I think that alone is enough to reconsider your views on life. Of course, you can be childfree, and I myself wonder to what extent this is simply a coping mechanism and not a personal choice.

 

[prpa]

Ok, we need to level with each other. I hope we can agree that the marriage between Felicia and Elias is some sort of social contract with its own pros and cons. It works like a scale — if the pros outweigh the cons, then one would want to continue the marriage; if the cons outweigh the pros, then one would want to end it.

So, when you say 'Felicia doesn't enjoy, want, or even like this marriage,' what I hear is that Felicia doesn’t want it as a whole — pros and cons combined. 'She doesn't enjoy marital duties' — well, yeah, those are the cons. But as I said earlier, I think the pros still outweigh the cons, thus Felicia wants to continue her marriage.

The reason she became a Carnation is more complex than you gave it credit for, imo. Elias rejecting her plea to save the art school shook the scales, yes, but I still don't believe their marriage was 'already over.' If Felicia hadn’t learned about the club, I think she would have gritted her teeth and kept the marriage — too much to lose. But she did learn about it, and those two factors combined created enough impulse for her to strive for more. Felicia now sees a new ladder — one she can use to replace the previous one (her marriage to Elias) — to get even more pros while shedding all the cons. A huge gamble, but one she’s willing to take.

About that — I might be wrong, but I tried to see it from Elias' perspective. In his view of this 'social contract,' Felicia should know her place. It's like this: imagine you have a dog, and you’re willing to give it some food from your dining table. But at some point, the dog starts to jump onto a chair and take what it wants from the table itself. Not the prettiest comparison, but I feel that’s how Elias would see it. By refusing Felicia, he was showing her where she belongs.

I see that too, but I also think Turret has a point. Elias should have treated her with more compassion, he didn’t need to be so harsh, and he certainly shouldn’t have demeaned her like that. You can really see his attitude toward her when Edwin came to do the photo shoot, there’s a coldness in how he interacts with her, like she’s beneath him. Like Turret, I believe that if Elias had shown her some kindness and respect, she could have been a loyal and loving wife. She was willing, to stand by him. But as you said, the problem is that he sees her more like a pet or a possession than a person, someone to control, not to love. And no one can thrive under that, especially someone like Felicia.

 

[lustforsex]

I see that too, but I also think Turret has a point. Elias should have treated her with more compassion, he didn’t need to be so harsh, and he certainly shouldn’t have demeaned her like that. You can really see his attitude toward her when Edwin came to do the photo shoot, there’s a coldness in how he interacts with her, like she’s beneath him. Like Turret, I believe that if Elias had shown her some kindness and respect, she could have been a loyal and loving wife. She was willing, to stand by him. But as you said, the problem is that he sees her more like a pet or a possession than a person, someone to control, not to love. And no one can thrive under that, especially someone like Felicia.

In short, Felicia is a bird in a gilded cage and she put herself there.

There's a reason Felicia's update brought up "The Road Not Taken" theme. No matter how much she tries to deny it, she's starting to realize that the path she chose isn't what she really wanted. I can already see the ending where Edwin offers her to take another path together.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Bonus Art: Pale Zomboid
This is how you died.

 

[Turret]

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Bonus Art: Pale Zomboid
This is how you died.

Interesting artwork, but not enough chainsaws.
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[labmouseblues]

Pale Zomboid

Sounds like the name some low rent distribution studio would give to a US release of an Italian zombie flick set in California, but shot in the Philippines.

 

[onknight]

All right I've read through most of these posts. The one thing that's in common is we all love the game
And yes it's not for everybody it's definitely got some really twisted plot. If you haven't got a strong stomach some of it might not be for your taste.

And I admit some of it is a little disturbing for me personally but I stuck with it and the reason was Hannah
If she were written out I'm not sure I would stay as much as I like the other characters
The writing is brilliant but of all the characters Hannah is the one I connect with the most
In fact I took the boyfriend path with her because I found her that compelling

Now the other girls are great and normally I'm not into girls with tattoos but there's just something about Hanna
Maybe because I've looked after a sick family and I see what a good girl she is with a little bit of a bad streak

If Hannah was written out of the game I'm about 75% sure I probably not continue
And right now this is on my top games list I'd be really disappointed if they removed her

 

[Discrepancy]

If Hannah was written out of the game I'm about 75% sure I probably not continue
And right now this is on my top games list I'd be really disappointed if they removed her

I remember TD said a while ago that Hana is the reason half the player base play the game, so you're not alone
And there's no reason or indication she would ever be written off, can't really remember how this started but it was a joke from someone just that

 

[ReservoirCreature]

DAMN that's a good render.

 

[nalgonas4ever]

You know as we are close to finishing up the third exhibition, and entering the final week, sadly, I hope for big dates. I feel like some characters didn't get big dates or outings. Rose and Mina.

Rose is one of my favorite characters, so I hope fo see a big date from her, going out to dinner, or doing some fun activity, rather than just stay in the apartment. And Mina's felt kind of short, then went to hotel.

So we can give big dates to all characters, I guess, but I think these two need something big, considering that the other 3 had big outings already, so this is one of my wants for the final week, especially Rose, I want a big romantic date, ending in a very sweet long romantic love scene with her, cause her main update of the week, just felt a bit short and quick to me, and would like something a bit more substantial from her, imo.

I agree with you, however, the relationship between the MC and Rose is quite interesting, practically the same situation her mother face for him, their interactions have been more about ther circumstances and less of their connections besides the club and the exhibition and Rose in need of more than just love and passion, makes me think that unless he shows her a safe future for her and her daughter then a happy ending for both of them isn't in the cards. At least that's how I've been reading them, granted I prioritize Veronica and Felicia precisly because it doesn't feel like theres a possibility for an equals relationship for them.