VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[mrbombadil]

I honestly don't understand why in my game Rosalind's path is closed. It has been closed since forever it feels like and I have no idea why. It's so frustrating.

I feel like I only interacted with her seriously at the very beginning where I did "take advantage" of the opportunity, so to speak. But I mean, that seemed exactly like what I thought this game was about. It seems she never got over it or something. I find it annoying.

 

[ffive]

I honestly don't understand why in my game Rosalind's path is closed. It has been closed since forever it feels like and I have no idea why. It's so frustrating.

I feel like I only interacted with her seriously at the very beginning where I did "take advantage" of the opportunity, so to speak. But I mean, that seemed exactly like what I thought this game was about. It seems she never got over it or something. I find it annoying.

You might want to check out the walkthrough to be sure, but IIRC Edwin has to show some sort of remorse or at least consideration afterwards or otherwise behave like a semi-decent human being, for Rosie to conclude that he may respond positively to the idea of helping her.

 

[FRVN]

I honestly don't understand why in my game Rosalind's path is closed. It has been closed since forever it feels like and I have no idea why. It's so frustrating.

I feel like I only interacted with her seriously at the very beginning where I did "take advantage" of the opportunity, so to speak. But I mean, that seemed exactly like what I thought this game was about. It seems she never got over it or something. I find it annoying.

So, you took advantage of a woman, and are surprised she wants nothing to do with you?

In order to be on her path, you need to take her out to coffee, which means either not taking advantage of her or apologizing after doing so. Then you need to take her deal or help her for free when she visits you later.

 

[mrbombadil]

So, you took advantage of a woman, and are surprised she wants nothing to do with you?

In order to be on her path, you need to take her out to coffee, which means either not taking advantage of her or apologizing after doing so. Then you need to take her deal or help her for free when she visits you later.

Yes I am surprised given the nature of the game. And this IS indeed a (porn) game, after all, it's not real life. I thought this was a corruption game in which the MC can dominate the girls. That's appealing to me and there are many great games with these themes. I got that impression from the overall theme of Pale Carnations, given that you're managing whores who are desperate.

The second surprise is that this seemingly minor choice (whether or not to apologize) takes place in the first couple of hours of the game and determines your relationship with one of the main LIs for the entirety of the game.

So now, having played several days longer, it's rather inconvenient to restart.

 

[FRVN]

Yes I am surprised given the nature of the game. And this IS indeed a (porn) game, after all, it's not real life. I thought this was a corruption game in which the MC can dominate the girls. That's appealing to me and there are many great games with these themes. I got that impression from the overall theme of Pale Carnations, given that you're managing whores who are desperate.

The second surprise is that this seemingly minor choice (whether or not to apologize) takes place in the first couple of hours of the game and determines your relationship with one of the main LIs for the entirety of the game.

So now, having played several days longer, it's rather inconvenient to restart.

It would be a rather shallow experience if all characters were mindless fuckdolls that you could use as you please with no repercussions; this is not one of those games. There are consequences for your choices.

This is why games with branching are great for replaying. You can experience something different on a second (or third, fourth, etc.) playthrough, as you often cannot experience everything on one playthrough.

Here is the description of the game from the OP: "Will you give into your sadistic urges and be enticed by the club's wealth and hedonism? Or perhaps at the end of it all, a flower of romance will bud, pushing you to leave the brothel’s sordid business behind." Wanting to pursue Rosalind's path is choosing romance over hedonism, which is opposed to what it seems like you want from the game.

 

[ffive]

I thought this was a corruption game in which the MC can dominate the girls. That's appealing to me and there are many great games with these themes. I got that impression from the overall theme of Pale Carnations, given that you're managing whores who are desperate.

This is a corruption game where it's the MC who is being "corrupted" by the club owners. How Edwin responds to these manipulations is down to the player.

In your playthrough you've basically done speedrun any% to the end line. Or at least made great strides towards it.

 

[Draim]

This is a corruption game where it's the MC who is being "corrupted" by the club owners. How Edwin responds to these manipulations is down to the player.

In your playthrough you've basically done speedrun any% to the end line. Or at least made great strides towards it.

Not exactly. The MC was corrupted initially. When he found out that his mother was a great porn actress and he didn't delete the video but saved it.

 

[Idontplay]

Let's say there are various levels of corruption and if the Edwin's level is Lieutenant, the level of the club's owners and customers is God of Gods.

 

[mrbombadil]

It would be a rather shallow experience if all characters were mindless fuckdolls that you could use as you please with no repercussions; this is not one of those games.

No need to strawman since I didn't say that. There can be plenty of interesting story and variety in games where you corrupt girls.

From reading this and other replies one might get the impression that if MC apologizes to Rosalind the MC will thereafter treat her respectfully and in a loving, healthy relationship... That, I've learned, isn't the case necessarily. (Which is one of the reasons I was disappointed in not being able to play that route.) In fact, the "apologize" route seems to be extremely depraved and treating Rosalind as, in your words, a "fuckdoll".

See for example how the MC treats Rosalind here after he forced her into sending depraved nudes:

 

[se20299]

I'm pretty sure most Rose content is inacessible if you use her at the beginning and don't apologize for it. She concludes Edwin is like Ian and doesn't bother trying to seduce/manipulate him.

I think both Rose romance/full deal routes are very well written and rewarding, but you can't go maniacal asshole right at the start and scare her off before she can cast the bait. I do dislike how that whole casting couch scene was written, but it was early days and TD isn't perfect.

 

[InsaneINC]

Please tell me that Kathleen bitch dies or something. I hate her especially the chapter I am on now I want her dead.

 

[Simpgor]

No need to strawman since I didn't say that. There can be plenty of interesting story and variety in games where you corrupt girls.

From reading this and other replies one might get the impression that if MC apologizes to Rosalind the MC will thereafter treat her respectfully and in a loving, healthy relationship... That, I've learned, isn't the case necessarily. (Which is one of the reasons I was disappointed in not being able to play that route.)

It sounds like you kind of misunderstood the idea of the game since it doesnt mention corruption anywhere in synopsis?
I also dont think anybody was saying that you would get romance if you apologized? Just that it would be boring if you had the option to take advantage and no matter what the outcome was the exact same and never referenced again?

 

[UmbralKnight]

i haven't play tested this and I am just guessing this but i think It's possible to be on Rose's route even if you were an asshole in the beginning

since the scene where she comes to the MC's appartment to make the deal happens by default
even an asshole MC should be able to take the "deal" route

also min-maxing stats should help further

as it's been proven with other girls that you can still be on their paths even if you were a complete dickhead throughout the game

 

[dolfe67]

since the scene where she comes to the MC's appartment to make the deal happens by default
even an asshole MC should be able to take the "deal" route

I think you have to apologize or she doesn't come in the MC's appartment to make the deal. But after that you can treat her how you want

 

[Turret]

as it's been proven with other girls that you can still be on their paths even if you were a complete dickhead throughout the game

Hi! That is not fully correct. While in many cases it is right, it is not in all. If you focus on 1-3 girls, you surely can end up too short on relationship points with the others if you treated them shabbily. Even if you treat them well, you might not earn enough points until you need them.

 

[ffive]

I think you have to apologize or she doesn't come in the MC's appartment to make the deal. But after that you can treat her how you want

Yes, the visit only happens if Rosie tried to seduce Edwin at the cafe, which in turn only happens if...



So by acting like total asshole you do in fact block her path early.

 

[Ottoeight]

Yes I am surprised given the nature of the game. And this IS indeed a (porn) game, after all, it's not real life. I thought this was a corruption game in which the MC can dominate the girls. That's appealing to me and there are many great games with these themes. I got that impression from the overall theme of Pale Carnations, given that you're managing whores who are desperate.

The second surprise is that this seemingly minor choice (whether or not to apologize) takes place in the first couple of hours of the game and determines your relationship with one of the main LIs for the entirety of the game.

So now, having played several days longer, it's rather inconvenient to restart.

Third surprise, you didn't check the walkthrough and/or the story guide in the OP.




Anyway, in the early game the player MUST make 1 single choice to start a main girl's path.
If the player doesn't trigger this event, he/she/it/them is evicted from the girl's route.

They are:

- Rosalind: you must have coffee with her on 12th May
- Mina: you must go shopping with her on 2nd June
- Felicia: you must accept her invitation and have dinner with her on 3rd June
- Hana: you must agree to "help her out" and go to her gig at the pub on 4th June
- Veronica: while having a conversation with Samson you must decide that you want to help Veronica to get her business back on 6th June.

These choices are mandatory. If you miss them, you miss the whole route.

 

[Phoenix H]

This game has Ntr?

 

[mathe7n6]

This game has Ntr?

No.

 

[Unreal434]

Please tell me that Kathleen bitch dies or something. I hate her especially the chapter I am on now I want her dead.

Nah man, all she needs is some correction through the D. If fucked hard and long enough like in the recent update she´ll reform I´m sure.