VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Draim]

start by getting a blowjob

To whom?

 

[Idontplay]

Kat fans be like, ‘Thanks queen!’ right after getting roofied with some sketchy drug and pegged under the guise of a ‘reward’ for doing her dirty work

And for the worthier among the worthy there is the castration; it is a very exclusive special reward to be proud of.

 

[Ottoeight]

I find it hilarious that people bitch and cry only because Kathleen treats whores like whores. This is a brothel so any other treatment would look ludicrous in comparison (this is one of the reasons I don't see Hana managing the club in the long run unless she transforms into Kathleen). As for her drugging, AFAWK this sex concoction is basically an improved version of viagra that works for women too. We don't see any side effects hence Kathleen allowed Edwin to "drug" her (anally).

In addition, it's not a drug that lets you mind-control and I'm pretty certain that many people could resist it (Edwin could direct his desire to anyone he chose, he could even choose Kathleen or not choose her even though she was the closest, Kat was also holding rather well but being tied up prevented her from having many options).

Honestly, bro, with all due respect, but... please stop making a fool of yourself.

Seriously.

 

[Bootyman92]

I find it hilarious that people bitch and cry only because Kathleen treats whores like whores. This is a brothel so any other treatment would look ludicrous in comparison (this is one of the reasons I don't see Hana managing the club in the long run unless she transforms into Kathleen). As for her drugging, AFAWK this sex concoction is basically an improved version of viagra that works for women too. We don't see any side effects hence Kathleen allowed Edwin to "drug" her (anally).

In addition, it's not a drug that lets you mind-control and I'm pretty certain that many people could resist it (Edwin could direct his desire to anyone he chose, he could even choose Kathleen or not choose her even though she was the closest, Kat was also holding rather well but being tied up prevented her from having many options).

BTW, Kathleen is in no position here to use this love potion as she sees fit because it's Sophia's and Abel's drug and they control the supply. It also makes me wonder what they're doing in the Vault exactly because I would think that many people would even pay to test a drug like this while being surrounded by extremely hot women who would serve them to test its potency so why would they need Darius for that?

The particular thing about Kathleen that grinds most people's gears, is just how sadistic this woman is. And the fact that she absolutely REVELS in it. She does what she does for the love of the game, and gets off of it.

Now we all have a little bit of sadism in us, but what turned me off Kat was the revelation of turning her late sister's charity into what is now basically the recruitment for the Carnation. That's a level of twisted too depraved for my liking. And dogging on Vero like it's a personal thing, that got old for me.

 

[pinuz1]

Honestly, why I think a lot of people hate Kathleen way more than Chuck or August, is because she's directly related to the pain and humilliation our Carnations have to endure, as much as the other two are just as responsible for the club, and are probably worse human beings than Kath, she's the one that focuses on the exhibition stuff, and the one who makes 3 of the main love interest in the game have to suffer so much.

The player couldn't care less if August kills people on his free time, but when Kathleen tries to ruin or hurt the Carnations’ lives, it actually sparks a reaction, since we’re emotionally attached to those characters.

 

[ename144]

I find it hilarious that people bitch and cry only because Kathleen treats whores like whores. This is a brothel so any other treatment would look ludicrous in comparison (this is one of the reasons I don't see Hana managing the club in the long run unless she transforms into Kathleen). As for her drugging, AFAWK this sex concoction is basically an improved version of viagra that works for women too. We don't see any side effects hence Kathleen allowed Edwin to "drug" her (anally).

No, August is the one who treats whores like whores. Kathleen treats them like ants to torment, which is the entire issue with her.

EDIT: Also, I disagree that the sex drug is "just" viagra. It clearly clouds the victim's judgement substantially, to the point they'd probably be considered quite drunk in a realistic analysis. It's effectively the ideal roofie, used by Kathleen without any oversight whatsoever. Go figure.

 

[True_Degenerate]

It's more like others take offense that their precious queen isn't sufficiently appreciated but receives a sober evaluation..?

Link a single comment of Suna's where he wants his "precious queen appreciated". Or shut the fuck up. " "

Some smug, dumb bullshit followed by...Kat's intentions are to harm the women that are there. Kat explicitly and literally gets off on harming people, being the sadist that she is. This is exactly what malice is: the intention to harm someone. All these things she is doing, they are fueled by malice.

By your flexible-context use of words, a consensual night of BDSM between a sadistic dom and sub would be harmful and full of malice. Nobody but disingenuous clowns would use technical definitions like that there. For any "false equivalence" bullshit: the Carnations' participation is consensual.

The very exhibition, the cornerstone of this game, is built on destroying people who are not working as whores for a living and who aren't the staff of the club.

One of the previous carnations is an actress and came back out with a movie, which is "ostensibly" what she wanted out of her exhibition. Maybe google "destroying", unless you're going the flexible-context route for every word you use.

Spoiler: Destruction.

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It seems extremely clear to me that harming the women is precisely Kathleen's intent; any 'carrots' she offers are purely for rhetorical effect.

Spoiler: In Suna's context.

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Also, Kat goes well beyond just "treating whores like whores", and you're willfully deluding yourself if that's honestly the only thing you see out of all her actions.

To say nothing about her abuse of people who come looking for help from what's ostensibly a charity. Something that isn't in any way "treating whores like whores".

No, August is the one who treats whores like whores. Kathleen treats them like ants to torment, which is the entire issue with her.

Define "treating whores like whores".

Spoiler: Back to back pregnancies with clients with paternity betting?

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Spoiler: Belt + Bottle use leading to a month long recuperation?

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Spoiler: Unpaid, presumably undesired, sex?

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Spoiler: Someone choosing to whore isn't whoring because of disadvertisement?

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Spoiler: Fearing Chuck/Management. August's discipline, threatening to send Warren?

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Everything happens with August/Chuck's knowledge. August's share, and thus influence/responsibility in the club is presumably greater than Kathy's.

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A whore willfully doing a donkey show in Mexico or some extreme fetish content has different metrics than a vanilla street hooker. Within the context of the exhibition's scope, which is "ostensibly" an allure for its members, Kathy's treating whores like whores. You're "willfully deluding yourself" if you think otherwise, or are fucking around with semantics.

 

[ename144]

Link a single comment of Suna's where he wants his "precious queen appreciated". Or shut the fuck up. " "

By your flexible-context use of words, a consensual night of BDSM between a sadistic dom and sub would be harmful and full of malice. Nobody but disingenuous clowns would use technical definitions like that there. For any "false equivalence" bullshit: the Carnations' participation is consensual.

One of the previous carnations is an actress and came back out with a movie, which is "ostensibly" what she wanted out of her exhibition. Maybe google "destroying", unless you're going the flexible-context route for every word you use.

Spoiler: Destruction.

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Spoiler: In Suna's context.

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Define "treating whores like whores".

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Spoiler: Belt + Bottle use leading to a month long recuperation?

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Spoiler: Unpaid, presumably undesired, sex?

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Spoiler: Someone choosing to whore isn't whoring because of disadvertisement?

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Spoiler: Fearing Chuck/Management. August's discipline, threatening to send Warren?

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Everything happens with August/Chuck's knowledge. August's share, and thus influence/responsibility in the club is presumably greater than Kathy's.

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A whore willfully doing a donkey show in Mexico or some extreme fetish content has different metrics than a vanilla street hooker. Within the context of the exhibition's scope, which is "ostensibly" an allure for its members, Kathy's treating whores like whores. You're "willfully deluding yourself" if you think otherwise, or are fucking around with semantics.

Yes, we know all three owners are involved in running the Club. We also know the Club is a criminal enterprise. None of the three have their hands clean.

But Kathleen is the one who moves beyond mere crime and takes a sick interested in getting under the skin of everyone working for them. Combine that with the shit she pulls with her late sister's charity and it's easy to see why she's singled out for hate.

 

[slightchance]

Kathleen is an awesome and (obviously) polarizing character. She fits right in.

 

[The Senior Perv]

Kathleen is an awesome and (obviously) polarizing character. She fits right in.

Yeah, but don't worry. I can fix her...
Or more like she will destroy me.

 

[InsaneINC]

Well in the end I bet things gonna be much more mundane than we all think. But yeah that does not change my opinion on Kathleen. Personally I don't mind moving in the grey areas but she is on another level. All she cares about is hurting people for her entertainment. So yeah I still want sadist bitch dead.

 

[Kameri]

Kathleen is an awesome and (obviously) polarizing character. She fits right in.

If evil why hot character, these mfs wouldn’t be running defense this hard for her if she didn’t look as attractive as she does.

 

[slightchance]

All she cares about is hurting people for her entertainment. So yeah I still want sadist bitch dead.

I don't think she's that one-dimensional or she wouldn't also enjoy switching roles with Edwin. She can be vindictive, even outside of the club's playground, which is one of her biggest character flaws, but I do believe she wouldn't excel in her job as mistress if she wasn't capable of empathy. She loves to poke holes in other people defenses to make them squeal under her boot but I believe she respects those who stop playing the victim and start embracing what this benevolent demon has to offer them. If you want to find out what your real limit is, she's your gal.

 

[InsaneINC]

I don't think she's that one-dimensional or she wouldn't also enjoy switching roles with Edwin. She can be vindictive, even outside of the club's playground, which is one of her biggest character flaws, but I do believe she wouldn't excel in her job as mistress if she wasn't capable of empathy. She loves to poke holes in other people defenses to make them squeal under her boot but I believe she respects those who stop playing the victim and start embracing what this benevolent demon has to offer them. If you want to find out what your real limit is, she's your gal.

Empathy !?? She have already corrupt you it seems. I am sure I would be fine with her if I liked playing totally depraved characters. But yeah I don't. I always try to play evil characters but always end up playing the good routes. I just cannot be evil. Not my style.

 

[Nulldev]

I don't think she's that one-dimensional or she wouldn't also enjoy switching roles with Edwin. She can be vindictive, even outside of the club's playground, which is one of her biggest character flaws, but I do believe she wouldn't excel in her job as mistress if she wasn't capable of empathy. She loves to poke holes in other people defenses to make them squeal under her boot but I believe she respects those who stop playing the victim and start embracing what this benevolent demon has to offer them. If you want to find out what your real limit is, she's your gal.

Firefly quote of course

[Book quotes warrior-poet and dictator Xiang Yu to Simon.]
Book: He said, "Live with a man forty years. Share his house, his meals… speak on every subject… then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano's edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man."

 

[Turret]

I don't think she's that one-dimensional or she wouldn't also enjoy switching roles with Edwin. She can be vindictive, even outside of the club's playground, which is one of her biggest character flaws, but I do believe she wouldn't excel in her job as mistress if she wasn't capable of empathy. She loves to poke holes in other people defenses to make them squeal under her boot but I believe she respects those who stop playing the victim and start embracing what this benevolent demon has to offer them. If you want to find out what your real limit is, she's your gal.

Hi!
Sorry to tell you that you are on the woodway with Kath. There is not an unce of respect for those showing backbone, on the contrary, Kath tries even harder to destroy their lives. Look at Veronica and Felicia. With both it does not work like Kath had hoped and she is very much hellbent on destrying their lives now. Kath is not a flat characer, but her depth does not change the fact that she is a taint on humanity.

 

[Ottoeight]

Kathleen is an awesome and (obviously) polarizing character. She fits right in.

The only reason Kathleen is a polarising character is: she has a vagina. Auggie & Uncle Chuck don't have it.

Since this is not a gay-themed VN, no player is going to bang Auggie & Uncle Chuck, therefore no player is clutching at straws in order to defend their behaviour.

Same with Sophia.


How some players - with every AVN - are:

Can MC bang a character? well yeah she's great. Is a female character not "available"? well, this game sucks: Devs must amend and modify the story.

 

[Meabe37]

I can understand that people don't like Kathleen as a "LI" (I don't think she is a "real" Li anyway, at least how it usually is understood in AVNs, aka she will never be MC girlfriend, wife or whatever else and there is no future where they end up "together") or as a person all together. But to me she is one of, if not, the most interesting character of this game(and a really fun one too). I'm really interested and intrigued to see how it's gonna play out for her in the future, depending on our choices and our relationship with her.

Anyway i think her character is pivotal for this game to work and well...she is really hot (and personally, part of some of my favorite "sexy moments" of this game) But yeah, Rosalind and Mina are the one who gonna receive all my "love".

That being said, if we talk about bad and fucked up, Chuck seems just a bad to me. We just don't spend as much time with him as Kath ( and he seem to be hiding it, contrary to her) and like Otto just said, we are not intimate with him so it affect the players less lol

 

[Ozymandias037]

Empathy !?? She have already corrupt you it seems. I am sure I would be fine with her if I liked playing totally depraved characters. But yeah I don't. I always try to play evil characters but always end up playing the good routes. I just cannot be evil. Not my style.

Bizarrely, I think he backed into a good point. Kath does have some empathy -- she just uses it for evil. She has really good insight into how people's minds work and what levers she can push and pull to get what she wants. Empathy can be a weapon, and Kath uses it as one. After all, when you truly understand someone else... that's when you learn the best ways to break them. And if there's one thing Kath is good at, it's breaking people.

 

[labmouseblues]

Empathy is not a precise concept, but it's generally understood to be more than just the ability to correctly identify emotional states.

Kath isn't a complete social cripple, so yeah, she can tell when someone is distressed, ashamed or aroused. A machine can do that too, and no one would call it empathetic.