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Garen

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I would like to see a club where the younger generation takes over completely and make it more decent. Throw out all the old farts. Treat everyone better. Some of the whores actually like what they do. Its like everything in life you get more out of people if you treat them with decency
You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of the nature of this sort of industry. The client base is required to be from the dregs of society. It's not a place where 'good people' hang out.
 
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GigglingCock

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NOT in the least.

It 1000% totally depends on your gameplay and your choices.


Chuck, Kath and August have variable points, just like Ian and Warren and Samson and Jacob.

August, Chuck, Jacob, Warren and Samson have friendship score. When August and Chuck's points are very high, then they trust you.

Not sure whether you can trigger August's trust yet, though.
these threshold points to trigger scenes arent a good indicator of writing. triggering these points just offer you more choices to select in dialogue. in writing, kathleen is more trusting of edwin than august in her dialogue and words. she also acts more like a proper boss to edwin. august just seems guarded with edwin
 
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these threshold points to trigger scenes arent a good indicator of writing. triggering these points just offer you more choices to select in dialogue. in writing, kathleen is more trusting of edwin than august in her dialogue and words. she also acts more like a proper boss to edwin. august just seems guarded with edwin
This is how Interactive Fiction works, you know.
 

Turret

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So Kath is the New Sophia now, huh?
Never!:) Because even at her worst, Sophia is a cool, calculating eccentric, who does NOT feel joy at the suffering of others. As we can see in her talks with Chuck, she is appalled by him and his "freetime fun".
Kathleen on the other hand lives for inflicting woes on others and destroying their lives for the lulz. I personally had a laugh when this waste of oxygen Kath is, told us to stay in the blue room, since company is better than to be alone in the doctors presence.
Granted, it was part manipulation in it, but it was also clear that Kath really thought so. And even understandable, Sophia is in many ways the opposite of Kath.

That said, it is also clear that the Kath fans would one day starting to tell us how and why they are Kath fans and want their own happy end (how happy that truly is, is on another paper).
But outside the Kath fan group Sophia is a better LI choice any time of the day. She is most definitely not your standard LI type, but that makes it even better. An eccentric, slightly nerdy genius, who can be really hot too and is also very helpful when the brown matter hits the rotary impeller.
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these threshold points to trigger scenes arent a good indicator of writing. triggering these points just offer you more choices to select in dialogue. in writing, kathleen is more trusting of edwin than august in her dialogue and words. she also acts more like a proper boss to edwin. august just seems guarded with edwin
Umm, she IS the MC's proper boss. August may have more control over the Club than Kathleen, but the MC is her direct subordinate. It's natural that she's the one giving him daily assignments.

As for Kathleen being more trusting of the MC, maybe. She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.

Personally, I think it would be more precise to say that Kathleen sees great potential in the MC and wants to foster it. How much of that is down to her trusting him vs her wanting to manipulate him is a matter of personal opinion.
 

GigglingCock

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Umm, she IS the MC's proper boss. August may have more control over the Club than Kathleen, but the MC is her direct subordinate. It's natural that she's the one giving him daily assignments.
true that kathleen is a direct boss of edwin, but it doesnt explains augusts dodgy behaviors. all 3 of them are his superiors. august is the only one who stands out

As for Kathleen being more trusting of the MC, maybe. She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.
i didnt do that route, so i dont how that scene plays out, but kathleen solving rosalines financial problems kinda goes against the nature of the carnation, doesnt it? not to mention, she prolly doesnt want to be seen as kind, especially to the 3 carnation girls

overall, i agree with your last sentences. and unlike chucks bullshit, this one is at least not malicious
 

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true that kathleen is a direct boss of edwin, but it doesnt explains augusts dodgy behaviors. all 3 of them are his superiors. august is the only one who stands out
I think you have not played a path where you get a better relationship with August. August does not trust easily, but you can earn trust points with him and better relations unrelated to it. August is currently the only PC leader who shows awareness not tinted by mental conditions. In a talk with Otto he tells him that he is starting to think that Kath and Chuck are beginning to loose it.
Naturally he is concerned and careful when he sees the "new guy" eating out of Kath´s hand. August does only trust few people and him seeing you following Kath like a nice eager puppy is certainly not helpful gaining his trust.

In my three "own canon" playthroughs I see this up and down quite nicely. I try to keep enough trust with Kathleen so the game goes on (you can loose early with too low trust) and have some wriggle room if I need to take a hit by not following Kath´s ideas, but not more. I have good relations with Chuck and August too, so it is not as great a problem as seem to think it is.
Still, I am careful not to blindly follow either one of the three. And going by what we learn and see throughout the game, I certainly make sure to maintain a good wire to Abel and Sophia.

As for Kathleen being more trusting of the MC, maybe. She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.
Very true. Kath sees alot of potential in Edwin, BUT securely UNDER her guidiance. Unless you ingratiate yourself with her a lot, she does not trust you or your opinion all that much, see the Rosalind situation, where in my game she waved off directly, but I was able to secure August´s(!) help. The guy GigglingCock views as near inapproachable.

And that Kath uses the cards she got dealt with can also be seen in another scene. Off the cuff I think it was Hana who told our hero she now sees why Kath is using him as the kindness sponge for the Carnations. With the unvoiced addition that Kath herself never could do so similarly, because there is no kindness in Kath which is not fake for the vast majority of people.
 

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I think you have not played a path where you get a better relationship with August. August does not trust easily, but you can earn trust points with him and better relations unrelated to it. August is currently the only PC leader who shows awareness not tinted by mental conditions. In a talk with Otto he tells him that he is starting to think that Kath and Chuck are beginning to loose it.
Naturally he is concerned and careful when he sees the "new guy" eating out of Kath´s hand. August does only trust few people and him seeing you following Kath like a nice eager puppy is certainly not helpful gaining his trust.

In my three "own canon" playthroughs I see this up and down quite nicely. I try to keep enough trust with Kathleen so the game goes on (you can loose early with too low trust) and have some wriggle room if I need to take a hit by not following Kath´s ideas, but not more. I have good relations with Chuck and August too, so it is not as great a problem as seem to think it is.
Still, I am careful not to blindly follow either one of the three. And going by what we learn and see throughout the game, I certainly make sure to maintain a good wire to Abel and Sophia.

Very true. Kath sees alot of potential in Edwin, BUT securely UNDER her guidiance. Unless you ingratiate yourself with her a lot, she does not trust you or your opinion all that much, see the Rosalind situation, where in my game she waved off directly, but I was able to secure August´s(!) help. The guy GigglingCock views as near inapproachable.

And that Kath uses the cards she got dealt with can also be seen in another scene. Off the cuff I think it was Hana who told our hero she now sees why Kath is using him as the kindness sponge for the Carnations. With the unvoiced addition that Kath herself never could do so similarly, because there is no kindness in Kath which is not fake for the vast majority of people.
i have seen that scene, actually. i cheated everyones point becuz apparently fucking up your friendship with veronica is very easy. and this is precisely my point. august is very guarded. the only way edwin could rely on him is through his connections, mainly hana. even then, relying on hana isnt a guaranteed becuz she doesnt have any power (not yet at least, and it will be a while until she becomes proper in taking over the business), and she can only asks august so much, which she hates doing
 

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She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.
That is true. Let's not forget though that it's her job to make the games interesting and to make the carnations not tap out too early while the others won't lose much sleep over what leverage she has at her disposal. Wouldn't be surprised if they find joy in seeing her struggle keeping the girls in line. It's not exactly a healthy work environment.
 

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All this debating about Kathleen, Got kind of heated there for a second, but I think I know we can all agree on something;


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She has a tight, tight, body, not even for a 54 years old, for anybody.
Well, I give you that Kath is top material on the Milf/Gilf front and would have few problems pursuing her, if not for the virulent character cancer she has! :)
 
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