VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

true that kathleen is a direct boss of edwin, but it doesnt explains augusts dodgy behaviors. all 3 of them are his superiors. august is the only one who stands out

I think you have not played a path where you get a better relationship with August. August does not trust easily, but you can earn trust points with him and better relations unrelated to it. August is currently the only PC leader who shows awareness not tinted by mental conditions. In a talk with Otto he tells him that he is starting to think that Kath and Chuck are beginning to loose it.
Naturally he is concerned and careful when he sees the "new guy" eating out of Kath´s hand. August does only trust few people and him seeing you following Kath like a nice eager puppy is certainly not helpful gaining his trust.

In my three "own canon" playthroughs I see this up and down quite nicely. I try to keep enough trust with Kathleen so the game goes on (you can loose early with too low trust) and have some wriggle room if I need to take a hit by not following Kath´s ideas, but not more. I have good relations with Chuck and August too, so it is not as great a problem as seem to think it is.
Still, I am careful not to blindly follow either one of the three. And going by what we learn and see throughout the game, I certainly make sure to maintain a good wire to Abel and Sophia.

As for Kathleen being more trusting of the MC, maybe. She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.

Very true. Kath sees alot of potential in Edwin, BUT securely UNDER her guidiance. Unless you ingratiate yourself with her a lot, she does not trust you or your opinion all that much, see the Rosalind situation, where in my game she waved off directly, but I was able to secure August´s(!) help. The guy GigglingCock views as near inapproachable.

And that Kath uses the cards she got dealt with can also be seen in another scene. Off the cuff I think it was Hana who told our hero she now sees why Kath is using him as the kindness sponge for the Carnations. With the unvoiced addition that Kath herself never could do so similarly, because there is no kindness in Kath which is not fake for the vast majority of people.

 

[GigglingCock]

I think you have not played a path where you get a better relationship with August. August does not trust easily, but you can earn trust points with him and better relations unrelated to it. August is currently the only PC leader who shows awareness not tinted by mental conditions. In a talk with Otto he tells him that he is starting to think that Kath and Chuck are beginning to loose it.
Naturally he is concerned and careful when he sees the "new guy" eating out of Kath´s hand. August does only trust few people and him seeing you following Kath like a nice eager puppy is certainly not helpful gaining his trust.

In my three "own canon" playthroughs I see this up and down quite nicely. I try to keep enough trust with Kathleen so the game goes on (you can loose early with too low trust) and have some wriggle room if I need to take a hit by not following Kath´s ideas, but not more. I have good relations with Chuck and August too, so it is not as great a problem as seem to think it is.
Still, I am careful not to blindly follow either one of the three. And going by what we learn and see throughout the game, I certainly make sure to maintain a good wire to Abel and Sophia.

Very true. Kath sees alot of potential in Edwin, BUT securely UNDER her guidiance. Unless you ingratiate yourself with her a lot, she does not trust you or your opinion all that much, see the Rosalind situation, where in my game she waved off directly, but I was able to secure August´s(!) help. The guy GigglingCock views as near inapproachable.

And that Kath uses the cards she got dealt with can also be seen in another scene. Off the cuff I think it was Hana who told our hero she now sees why Kath is using him as the kindness sponge for the Carnations. With the unvoiced addition that Kath herself never could do so similarly, because there is no kindness in Kath which is not fake for the vast majority of people.

i have seen that scene, actually. i cheated everyones point becuz apparently fucking up your friendship with veronica is very easy. and this is precisely my point. august is very guarded. the only way edwin could rely on him is through his connections, mainly hana. even then, relying on hana isnt a guaranteed becuz she doesnt have any power (not yet at least, and it will be a while until she becomes proper in taking over the business), and she can only asks august so much, which she hates doing

 

[slightchance]

She certainly gives him a pretty free rein when it comes to handling the Carnations, but then again what does that actually cost her? If the MC asks her to sort out Rosalind's liquidity issue, Kathleen will refuse (unless you've specifically ingratiated the MC to her, but you said to ignore those game mechanics). So she doesn't seem to value his input too highly by default.

That is true. Let's not forget though that it's her job to make the games interesting and to make the carnations not tap out too early while the others won't lose much sleep over what leverage she has at her disposal. Wouldn't be surprised if they find joy in seeing her struggle keeping the girls in line. It's not exactly a healthy work environment.

 

[Darreau91]

So Kath is the New Sophia now, huh?

No.

 

[Turret]

No.

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Kath and Sophia´s breasts compared, weighted and Kath being found wanting Size is not all.


As for the backside: Even a sadist like Kath treads more lightly when this booty is around!

 

[Draim]

All this debating about Kathleen, Got kind of heated there for a second, but I think I know we can all agree on something;


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She has a tight, tight, body, not even for a 54 years old, for anybody.

How about August or Otto? They tight?

 

[Turret]

All this debating about Kathleen, Got kind of heated there for a second, but I think I know we can all agree on something;


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She has a tight, tight, body, not even for a 54 years old, for anybody.

Well, I give you that Kath is top material on the Milf/Gilf front and would have few problems pursuing her, if not for the virulent character cancer she has!

 

[bonerland]

How about August or Otto? They tight?

Wads perhaps. Chuck looks like he is only slightly less saggy than Baggy, the anorexic elephant.

 

[ename144]

i have seen that scene, actually. i cheated everyones point becuz apparently fucking up your friendship with veronica is very easy. and this is precisely my point. august is very guarded. the only way edwin could rely on him is through his connections, mainly hana. even then, relying on hana isnt a guaranteed becuz she doesnt have any power (not yet at least, and it will be a while until she becomes proper in taking over the business), and she can only asks august so much, which she hates doing

I don't see August in that scene as guarded, I see him as hands-off; as he says, this is technically Kathleen's responsibility and he normally leaves that up to her. He will intervene if he likes the MC, which is exactly the same outcome you get from asking Kat (though admittedly there are more ways to earn her approval).

And for what it's worth, Chuck won't intervene no matter what, even though canonically he does trust the MC.

That is true. Let's not forget though that it's her job to make the games interesting and to make the carnations not tap out too early while the others won't lose much sleep over what leverage she has at her disposal. Wouldn't be surprised if they find joy in seeing her struggle keeping the girls in line. It's not exactly a healthy work environment.

Maybe. But it's not like giving her a small advance would remove Rosalind's overall incentive, plus it has to be weighed against the risk that Oliver would do something drastic that does actually hurt Rosalind's performance. And based on the eventual outcome, a stupid response from Oliver certainly seems like something Kat should have worried about.

Personally, I think the key issue is that even Kat's showmanship must yield to her sadism. If Oliver does something drastic it may compromise the Exhibition a bit, but will make Rose suffer.

 

[Simpgor]

August, Chuck, Jacob, Warren and Samson have friendship score. When August and Chuck's points are very high, then they trust you.

Not sure whether you can trigger August's trust yet, though.

Surely one day my 7 Warren points will come in handy! , I also dont think you can earn August's trust (in the stats screen) at least pretty sure even at 9 or max it still wont change.

And for what it's worth, Chuck won't intervene no matter what, even though canonically he does trust the MC.

Time for some chuck simping: He clearly declined to help Edwin because he knew that Ian would step up! Not only does this allow Ian to have his long (very heterosexual) desired threesome with his best friend but also that Rose would be further ingratiated to the future leadership of the club! Truly a stroke of genius!

 

[slightchance]

Personally, I think the key issue is that even Kat's showmanship must yield to her sadism. If Oliver does something drastic it may compromise the Exhibition a bit, but will make Rose suffer.

I am aware that there's a chance Kathleen would continue the Exhibition even with a Rose bruised from head to toe - but then again there's also a non zero chance she would retaliate. Maybe not out of the goodness of her heart but because the situation is starting to annoy her. Still, I am open to listen to her sob story on her path to redemption any time.

 

[Turret]

Surely one day my 7 Warren points will come in handy! , I also dont think you can earn August's trust (in the stats screen) at least pretty sure even at 9 or max it still wont change.

I have it on good authority that winning the trust of August is a special case. There are events where you can gain specific trust points. After several of them, he will trust you. But I am not certain that at the current point in the story you gain enough of them. It will be possible though.
Btw. 7 Warren points, interesting.

 

[Simpgor]

Btw. 7 Warren points, interesting.

Pretty sure thats the highest you can have right now? Not like it matters too much as you can get his points and still have all the girls stats maxed/near max.....maybe Warren friendship will be the key to finally see "firestarter" getting some use

 

[harsha_26]

All those plot points aside, I only want to know what happened to DARIUS.

 

[ffive]

Surely one day my 7 Warren points will come in handy!

Yes, he'll do your Edwin a small mercy burying him already dead rather than alive.

 

[lanlong3]

it's time for updating

 

[Silver2301]

All this debating about Kathleen, Got kind of heated there for a second, but I think I know we can all agree on something;


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She has a tight, tight, body, not even for a 54 years old, for anybody.

You are making me open my game and rub one out to this scene again

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

All those plot points aside, I only want to know what happened to DARIUS.

I´m on board with this. Just tell us already.

 

[HornyGuy0690]

I wonder if Kathleen’s toned build was intentional, or if it’s just because HS1 doesn’t really have options for hag bodies.

 

[mrbombadil]

I wonder if Kathleen’s toned build was intentional, or if it’s just because HS1 doesn’t really have options for hag bodies.

I'm certainly glad they went with her current body since she's super hot. Her body is better than several of the younger women, some of which have saggy breasts and strangely shaped legs.