VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[sunaboz]

Kuhuja

(...) But I personally dislike the cloned anime face/body that every woman has. Only difference is minor adjustments on body sliders and hair/clothes. Women just lack distinct visual traits and that does reduce their individuality. Fat cow tits MILF ≈ young perky teen, pretty much same body. (...)

I have to strongly disagree here, PC has one of the most varied women I've seen in any game (not only based on HS1 or HS2 but DAZ or whatever else porn devs use). You can easily see this in the housegirl pic that GIL has graciously shared with us:

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Anyway, these girls have very different and distinct faces, for some of them first wrinkles are starting to show (nasolabial folds), some are very slim, some more curvy, we have huge tits, big tits and medium tits (no small tits, even Grace doesn't have such small tits if you ask me, which isn't a bad thing in a porn game IMO), we have different skin complexions, different hairstyles, hair colours, shaven pussies, bushy pussies, trimmed pussies, different asses, tats, etc. etc. We even have different postures (some are more straight, some walk with more sway, etc.). Compare for example Grace with Victoria or Allison and look at their postures - I for one am surprised and in awe how much details go into each character to make it unique and not a copy paste.

Regardless whether I've convinced you or not I would like to know what games you consider better in that department because personally I can't think of one (and I've played many porn games).

 

[Discrepancy]

I don't recall seeing those. how do I find them?

To see the Felicia scenes I think you have to listen to Elias phone call instead of talking to Allison, and don't spend time with Hanna and go to Felicia.

 

[Idontplay]

Rosie's first scene was updated. It seems her breasts are smaller, or at least less "saggy"

If I can say my opinion (and I can), her "new tits" don't seems smaller, but I agree that they seems less saggy or rather "more artificial", like if they had received a breast implant. In my humble opinione the old ones were better, since they seems more natural for a mom of her age and that breast size.

 

[valzy87]

Well excuse me but if she want me to be nicer, her big titties shouldn't be this fun to poke with a cattle prod alright?! It's her own fault ! XD

Also if you are a good guy, she got less screen time and less sex scenes... (no Bukkake, no 3some) the game basically punish you for it^^

I don't see anything wrong with skipping a few scenes. My goal is to protect Rose and the other girls from as much bullshit as possible. And ultimately, get them out of this club unharmed. The scenes can be unlocked later, in another playthrough or with an unlocker.

 

[Idontplay]

By the way, I noticed that Hana was wearing Dream Theater and Helloween t-shirts, which are power metal. It seems she's a power metal fan. Blind Guardian, Powerwolf or Dream Evil would suit her better than Opeth.

Actually the Dream Theater are progressive metal, but why should she be just a power metal fan and not an all kind of metal fan?

 

[valzy87]

Actually the Dream Theater are progressive metal, but why should she be just a power metal fan and not an all kind of metal fan?

It's just my guess that she prefers power metal. Of course, no one stops her from listening to any other kind of metal or other genres.

 

[Meiri]

Hi!
Hana is being groomed for leadership, not being sold off. It has been pretty clear for awhile that Hana´s presence changed something in August: In the beginning we never saw just heard off, August mainly searched for a heir. That has definitely changed, esp. if we tried to be something of a middlesman between Hana and August, he loves her now.
We don´t know if Chuck sees it, but Kath has recognised that something is happening with August and she does not like it. Hana being his daughter made August reflect over his life and it seems he decided to do some balancing of the scales, at least a bit. I doubt the old August from say 3 years ago would react like this.

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August is not amused by what is happening lately in the Club.

As for Hana being corrupted, that hinges in part on what we do over the run of the game. We can certainly influence this by helping her keeping a straight head or push her towards corruption. A simple example would be the whatsapp message she sent us. Depending on what we answer Hana either stays on the "good path" or we push her corruption.

I meant sold off as Kathleen wanting to buy her part of club ownership if Hana didn't want to continue at the club.

 

[Meabe37]

I don't see anything wrong with skipping a few scenes. My goal is to protect Rose and the other girls from as much bullshit as possible. And ultimately, get them out of this club unharmed. The scenes can be unlocked later, in another playthrough or with an unlocker.

We are not the same. It's a fantasy and i'm here for fun. Protecting them is not really fun, being a bit "bad" and going along with it is. That also why i want Felicia to win the whole thing not Rose. It's seems the most fun and interesting option (even tho nobody gonna win anything, only Kat is gonna win at the end ) It's also why Kat is my (very close) second fav and she might become my first one day, if thing continue
Anyway there are 5 billions of other Avns to play a goody two shoes vanilla dude.

But i have saves for everything ofc. SOMEMANYSAVESITSOVERFLOWINGSENDHELPPLEASEEEEEEEBLBBLBLLBLL


That being said: don't take what i say too seriously. I'm just messing around. I just want more of Rose

 

[Kuhuja]

Kuhuja

I have to strongly disagree here, PC has one of the most varied women I've seen in any game (not only based on HS1 or HS2 but DAZ or whatever else porn devs use). You can easily see this in the housegirl pic that GIL has graciously shared with us:

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BTW, GIL has published a new version of this pic so I recommend becoming a patreon to get it (and other goodies in GIL's vault on Discord).

Anyway, these girls have very different and distinct faces, for some of them first wrinkles are starting to show (nasolabial folds), some are very slim, some more curvy, we have huge tits, big tits and medium tits (no small tits, even Grace doesn't have such small tits if you ask me, which isn't a bad thing in a porn game IMO), we have different skin complexions, different hairstyles, hair colours, shaven pussies, bushy pussies, trimmed pussies, different asses, tats, etc. etc. We even have different postures (some are more straight, some walk with more sway, etc.). Compare for example Grace with Victoria or Allison and look at their postures - I for one am surprised and in awe how much details go into each character to make it unique and not a copy paste.

Regardless whether I've convinced you or not I would like to know what games you consider better in that department because personally I can't think of one (and I've played many porn games).

On picture you did link, put a paper over women heads. Results is "minor adjustments on body sliders". What I would call clear difference on how women face and body differ from each other, look games like: Where the Heart Is, Zenos Anthology and New Antioch.

These girls sure as hell don´t have "very different and distinct faces" in MY opinion. Please remove hair, clothes and makeup from Hana and Mina; and tell me how their facial (and body) structure isn´t almost identical. Maybe I should have used term "Structural visual traits" to make it clear that I was not talking about "different hairstyles, hair colours, shaven pussies, bushy pussies, trimmed pussies" etc.
Let me go fix that.

 

[slightchance]

On picture you did link, put a paper over women heads. Results is "minor adjustments on body sliders". What I would call clear difference on how women face and body differ from each other, look games like: Where the Heart Is, Zenos Anthology and New Antioch.

You're not entirely wrong, but it's a bit like not liking pixel art for its rough edges. Games made with HoneySelect have a distinctive style that you either like or learn to love. And the devs are fans of huge titties, that's a fact. If that's not your cup of tea, I'd say drink it anyway because the last updated had some really nice ass jiggling. You will come out a better person.

 

[link18]

One thing for sure A & B cups got no love in these parts

 

[sunaboz]

On picture you did link, put a paper over women heads. Results is "minor adjustments on body sliders". What I would call clear difference on how women face and body differ from each other, look games like: Where the Heart Is, Zenos Anthology and New Antioch.

These girls sure as hell don´t have "very different and distinct faces" in MY opinion. Please remove hair, clothes and makeup from Hana and Mina; and tell me how their facial (and body) structure isn´t almost identical. Maybe I should have used term "Structural visual traits" to make it clear that I was not talking about "different hairstyles, hair colours, shaven pussies, bushy pussies, trimmed pussies" etc.
Let me go fix that.

Zenos Anthology has like 4 women in it so it's a bad example. New Antioch and WTHI women differ but most look fugly IMO (plus in WTHI case I've seen the same models in dozens of other games).

As for Hana and Mina, sorry but they are as different as night and day. Sorry everyone for butchering them but for emphasis I've copy pasted their faces from a picture where they stand side by side:

Spoiler: butchering of Hana and Mina for comparison

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They have VERY different eyes (and I'm not talking about eye colour), very different noses, very different lips and their face structure is fundamentally different. Hana's face is for example more oblong than Mina's (hers is more round). Their bodies are similar, I'll grant you that but that's because they have 10/10 bodies and it's hard to make distinct perfect body. But that's why you have over 20 other distinct women where most have fundamentally different body types. Some are more similar than others but looking at it globally the range we get is much wider than in any other game (and certainly more than in the games you've mentioned, even including fuglies).

 

[Garen]

I would have agreed with you ten, twenty years ago. Nowadays, a vast number of politicians have no shame whatsoever. And by that I don't mean there's ever been a time where they idolized the truth but how openly they are lying to the public despite an abundance of evidence contradicting them. The base does seem to care even less than they do, not unless they step on someone's toes.
If you can't spin the rescue of a women from an underground sex cult into a positive campaign slogan - why even try for office?

Wym "rescue"?
The Club has a lot of illegal ties to important people and general corruption but ironically enough, the brothel side of things seem to be the only legal thing happening there. Not counting the Carnations.

 

[FRVN]

but the brothel side of things seems to be ironically enough quite legal

Not according to the game's lore, as they bring up its legality when Edwin first interviews.

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[slightchance]

Wym "rescue"?
The Club has a lot of illegal ties to important people and general corruption but ironically enough, the brothel side of things seem to be the only legal thing happening there. Not counting the Carnations.

It was just an example of spinning bullshit into something others will eat up. What's true about it doesn't matter in this context. Elias could as well use the slogan "Let's drain the swamp" while having a hooker blow coke into his rectum. Use your imagination.

 

[sunaboz]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet but

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This puts our discussion (starting from around here) in a new light.

(...)
It's one thing that she tried porn to earn some money (that's what first 4 times were for), it's another when she actively sought out more "prestigious" studios after all that, knowing perfectly well that the more prominent studio the more likely it is kids at school would find out about it giving Edwin hell. During the interview with Don it's heavily implied that she does it for the money and her own pleasure. A role model mom, right?

 

[Discrepancy]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet but

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This puts our discussion (starting from around here) in a new light.

Yes, and I think it wasn't the first time it's implied that Vicky liked her porn experience and that goes agaisnt the idea that Edwin has of her, that she only did it for the sake of him, for him to have a better life financially, I mean that was part of it but not the only part. At least that is how I see it for a while.

 

[GIL3D]

On picture you did link, put a paper over women heads. Results is "minor adjustments on body sliders". What I would call clear difference on how women face and body differ from each other, look games like: Where the Heart Is, Zenos Anthology and New Antioch.

You're comparing apples to oranges, amigo. The engine I use is Honey Select 1, and its distinct feature is that it blends anime style and realism into this stylized halfway. Faces are much simplified compared to DAZ realistic style (all games you mentioned), while still not being as simple as actual anime faces. Here, small changes make a huge difference, and you need an eye and appetite for the style. Mind you, I'm not calling you out, you're entitled to your opinion, but let me make a case from the perspective of a semi-anime connoisseur.

We use the very same model for every female and a different one for every male. So we're working with two base models. It's all about the edits we can make to these. With several hundred sliders to move, results are almost always unique and irreplicable. The limit is skill, but also your own sense of aesthetics. There IS such a thing as an artist's sameface (and samebody!), and we all suffer from it to some degree.

This is the degree of variance I can achieve within my artist samebody bias and the limits of the software:

Spoiler: Active Housegirls as of ch4 up6

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These girls sure as hell don´t have "very different and distinct faces" in MY opinion. Please remove hair, clothes and makeup from Hana and Mina

Spoiler: Case 1: Hana and Mina

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While the results are upsetting to me (they were designed to use their hairs, in this style it's extremely important for hair to play well with the face, much like in anime, in which it's basically a defining trait), you can see those are two distinct faces. You wouldn't mistake one for the other I hope? Or pehaps I'm too far into this style, and for others the subtle differences are not so obvious?

I actually find Veronica's face and Felicia's face more similar, but when examined closely there is no mistaking one for another.

Spoiler: Case 2: Veronica and Felicia

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All these faces were crafted from scratch. I never shared base with any of them. But my particular obsession with golden ratios coupled with my personal bias and the limits of the style can be perceived in a subtle "sameface" syndrome. This, to some degree, is unavoidable.

Observe when we compare one of my creations with one I merely edited and was crafted originally by my dear friend TD (Rosalind).

Spoiler: Case 3: Rosa and Kat

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You can see a significant departure in that "sameface" vibe. All under the umbrella of one model.

To me, all these are very distinct faces, but perhaps this is the result of an acquired taste. To each their own, for sure, and every opinion is valid, but now you know where I'm coming from. I definitely try my best within the limits of both my bias and the software.

 

[LjQujd]

ona a side note, what if they were real..

 

[MagicMan753]

I am curious on two things for next update.

- Who can we take home or spend time after. We know a Hana GF scene is coming so that will be an option, Felicia seems like a prime candidate with the Elias situation, but I hope Rose gets a choice after where we can take her home, cuddle or something lewdz etc. Her and Rose are the main two girls we haven't really gotten any post Carnation's exhibition time or choices. Last time we got Veronica. So I hope for something similar with Rose and maybe all the main girls as a choice.

- The other is the punishment for the loser, will that happen immediately aftwr like week 1 or will that be pushed a bit later like week 2. So just curious when that will happen. Also how devious will we go this time, I feel like week 1 punishment was pretty hardcore while with week 2, I enjoyed it more and girls playing eith each other, wasn't as hardcore.

I just want more of Rose

I just agree so much with this statement, I just want more lovey dovey stuff with her and longer scenes and more relationship building, etc. Just need better Rose treatment imo. I also hope like above to have an option to do something post Carnation exhibition.