VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Meabe37]

I'm trying to use the URM mod but with this game P.C. I get a exception every time I try to search for variables.

I have used URM in other games and it works ok. Is there something I need to do that will get it working?

I had the same problem in the previous update (and still in this one) and the only fix i found back then was to use a old version of URM (when the interface was still lightblue) it was working perfectly. But unfortunately, i upgraded my computer recently and lost the file. And i can't manage to find a old enough version anywhere to download now.

So if anyone have a fix or a old file version, i'm interested too.

 

[sunaboz]

What I find very strange is that during the big reveal only 3 patrons were present - Jim, Joe and Kristoff. Where are the other 9? At least 9, because there is also Otto (although he probably isn't a patron). It implies that Chuck and Kat didn't really want to humiliate Elias (and why would they, after all they want him to become mayor so antagonising him would be counterproductive), they only wanted to see Felicia piss herself for their own amusement.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if during Chuck-Elias talk in the sauna Chuck would reveal the plan to him and explained him the rules of the game so that Elias wouldn't throw a tantrum and rush out from there. After all they need Elias there for maximum discomfort of Felicia.

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[HanBoston]

I'm trying to use the URM mod but with this game P.C. I get a exception every time I try to search for variables.

I have used URM in other games and it works ok. Is there something I need to do that will get it working?

try this

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[pahub]

Is there a walkthrough mod for the game ?

 

[Skeltom]

I'm having a hard time downloading this update.

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can't even be reached and the others are capped for data. Anyone else having these issues?

 

[Turret]

What I find very strange is that during the big reveal only 3 patrons were present - Jim, Joe and Kristoff. Where are the other 9? At least 9, because there is also Otto (although he probably isn't a patron). It implies that Chuck and Kat didn't really want to humiliate Elias (and why would they, after all they want him to become mayor so antagonising him would be counterproductive), they only wanted to see Felicia piss herself for their own amusement.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if during Chuck-Elias talk in the sauna Chuck would reveal the plan to him and explained him the rules of the game so that Elias wouldn't throw a tantrum and rush out from there. After all they need Elias there for maximum discomfort of Felicia.

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Hi!
That is what I meant with bringing down "Kath, Chuck and their closest followers" in an earlier post. These people are the inner, rotten core of the VIP members. (Hana and August are clearly not amused, they do not "belong" there)
Look at some other VIPs: Vincenzo does not strike me as a total deviant, he is mostly testing out how much his adipose body and heart can take before giving out. Samson too is not a complete deviant, he is gung-ho pursuing Veronica, in addition we have a friendship score with him, the only one among the VIPs so far. That must have a reason and I estimate that in several variants of the "final boss battle" we´ll need all the help we can get.
Mihir too is not a total deviant and Erik might be an arrogant ass, but he most definitely would not like this as well.

I have to disagree with your opinion that Kath and Chuck do not want to humiliate Elias. It is very, very clear they do and get off on it. That Elias cannot do much to not torpedo his chances in politics helps them a lot. I might point you to what August thought about this "event".

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Elias is among the most approachable and nice guys among the VIP membership, this might help in the end game and beyond.
Because Kath and Chuck did certainly get off on humiliating Elias! Pardon, but your theory that Chuck might have told Elais in the Sauna is deeply flawed! The "Reveal" makes it very clear they delighted in ramming in the dagger into both Elias and Felicia.

 

[Discrepancy]

Pardon, but your theory that Chuck might have told Elais in the Sauna is deeply flawed! The "Reveal" makes it very clear they delighted in ramming in the dagger into both Elias and Felicia.

I'm very curious what the nature of the convo was though I too don't think that chuck spilled the beans, on the contrary he might have said something that made the revelation even more shocking to Elias.

 

[Turret]

I'm very curious what the nature of the convo was though I too don't think that chuck spilled the beans, on the contrary he might have said something that made the revelation even more shocking to Elias.

Agreed! Also Elias does not come across so far to be such an actor that he can fake being shocked convincingly.

 

[shroomify]

I had the same problem in the previous update (and still in this one) and the only fix i found back then was to use a old version of URM (when the interface was still lightblue) it was working perfectly. But unfortunately, i upgraded my computer recently and lost the file. And i can't manage to find a old enough version anywhere to download now.

So if anyone have a fix or a old file version, i'm interested too.

I found a fix here

https://f95zone.to/threads/universa...d-any-renpy-game-yourself.48025/post-18225337

 

[TylerDurden77]

Does the Android version released

 

[GamingSavant]

I'm very curious what the nature of the convo was though I too don't think that chuck spilled the beans, on the contrary he might have said something that made the revelation even more shocking to Elias.

I think it's Chuck's way of initiating new "brothers" into the club by having very deeply intimate talks with them about their private life, and things they know. During the Orgy, if you don't have sex with anyone like a proper loyal boyfriend (or if you're a stick in the mud), Shelby comes up and talks about his own experience of dealing with Chuck. "The dirt he has on all of us..."

And when Edwin mentioned Elias and him were in the Sauna, Shelby recoils and mentions that brought up a really bad memory for him. Chuck likes to learn about people he plans to manipulate, but he takes the brotherhood aspect very seriously, it seems.

 

[Discrepancy]

I think it's Chuck's way of initiating new "brothers" into the club by having very deeply intimate talks with them about their private life, and things they know. During the Orgy, if you don't have sex with anyone like a proper loyal boyfriend (or if you're a stick in the mud), Shelby comes up and talks about his own experience of dealing with Chuck. "The dirt he has on all of us..."

And when Edwin mentioned Elias and him were in the Sauna, Shelby recoils and mentions that brought up a really bad memory for him. Chuck likes to learn about people he plans to manipulate, but he takes the brotherhood aspect very seriously, it seems.

I'm starting to think that August is the more "normal" of the 3 owners

 

[sunaboz]

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Vincenzo IS a total deviant, you have a scene in this very update where Allison was seeking clues and she found it in Vincenzo's ass. And while Joe Shelby and Kristoff are definitely the elite among patrons same can be said about Abel, Frank or Waylon (who seems to be some wolf from Wall Street, judging by comparison to Gordon Gekko).

Samson on the other hand might be the biggest deviant of them all judging by his comment here:

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I can agree that Eric wouldn't want to see this because Felicia is his favourite but then again he would most likely want to see Elias' expression when he would learn the truth about his wife so who knows.

Either way it would be strange if the rest of patrons wouldn't join in the event in a while (in fact I'm sure they will, this is the main perk of being the member of this club after all).

(...)
I have to disagree with your opinion that Kath and Chuck do not want to humiliate Elias. It is very, very clear they do and get off on it. That Elias cannot do much to not torpedo his chances in politics helps them a lot. I might point you to what August thought about this "event". (...)

August is August and Chuck is Chuck. August is a tough gangster who would gut you if you looked at him wrong so it's no surprise he would say something like that. Kat is a pure sadist so she would like to see Elias squirm too most likely but Chuck? I can see him spilling the beans and saying something along the lines "just don't make it too obvious I've told you".

Chuck: "I won't tell Kathy you're slacking off if you don't tell her I stole your charge. Deal?"

Why would he want to keep his talk with Elias a secret from Kat otherwise? Well, there is more than one reason but it also aligns with the theory that Chuck told him what's what.

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Yeah, that "hazing" is the strongest argument against Chuck telling him about it, that's why I said "it wouldn't surprise me if...". I just find it plausible. Although, it's not like the blow Elias is dealt doesn't pack a punch, he just knows when it will come letting him mentally prepare for it so IMO it can go either way.

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

 

[slightchance]

On the other hand the strongest argument for this theory is that they wouldn't want to antagonise the future mayor/governor. Elias could react in various ways and killing someone like him would be very problematic and would bring a heat like never before. I'm not sure Chuck would want to risk his precious club just for a short thrill. By telling him beforehand he would make sure that Elias wouldn't blow up and things wouldn't escalate to the point of no return.

I believe what Mutt & Jeff were aiming for was making Elias's truly felt humiliation part of the blood pact to deepen their bond on a level no other club would ever dare to offer. It's camaraderie through suffering or a traumatic experience. It's not that different from the hazing sororities rely on.

And Kathleen and Chuck know how to pick their candidates. Sure, there's always a risk involved, but Elias's reaction was rather composed, considering the circumstances. Their speech prior to the reveal, especially Kathleen's monologue, had one goal: to deflect his emotions and project them onto Felicia instead.

"We know you on a more deeper emotional level than anyone in this room. Even your dear wife. You're home now."

 

[Raynare69]

As someone who started the game for Felicia and has played for Felicia this entire time as my only considered personal true route (though I have other saves to check out some other parts of the story), this update has been one hell of a rollercoaster...

Damn, I can't wait for the next part of the update! I need to help my girl get back up on her feet and win!
...Or something. I don't know any longer what I'm supposed to do here...

Favorite no context non-spoiler picture of the update:


Awww, she's so adorable! T_T

 

[Takkatakka]

I believe what Mutt & Jeff were aiming for was making Elias's truly felt humiliation part of the blood pact to deepen their bond on a level no other club would ever dare to offer. It's camaraderie through suffering or a traumatic experience. It's not that different from the hazing sororities rely on.

It's actually something that is pretty common in elite military units as well. You get utterly humiliated, but if you get through it, you end up being an accepted member of the group, because everybody knows that everybody else had to go through it as well.

 

[shroomify]

I'm starting to think that August is the more "normal" of the 3 owners

more normal yes but no less criminal.

 

[shroomify]

As someone who started the game for Felicia and has played for Felicia this entire time as my only considered personal true route (though I have other saves to check out some other parts of the story), this update has been one hell of a rollercoaster...

Damn, I can't wait for the next part of the update! I need to help my girl get back up on her feet and win!
...Or something. I don't know any longer what I'm supposed to do here...

Favorite no context non-spoiler picture of the update:
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Awww, she's so adorable! T_T

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

 

[Turret]

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

You must met with Hana and Kath during free roam rather late (you should have done what else you want), then you need to leave the room, not hanging out with Hana. Once you leave further places are opened up. In one of them Felicia is staying.

 

[Raynare69]

I've been trying to get this scene. just can't find it.

As soon as free roam starts, you can ignore everything else if you want. If you want to talk to Lucy you can but don't have sex with her or that will push the timeline forward and end free roam. You can actually go STRAIGHT to Kathleen's office (I personally chose to listen in on their conversation), finish up the dialogue there, and choose not to stay with Hana (I am on Felicia only route mainly so it was greyed out for me anyway), and immediately after you leave there, the VIP lounge will be open where you can talk to Felicia. Here you can give her a hint of what's coming her way, though I'm not sure what impact it will have yet in the future. As of right now it only really changed one line of dialogue iirc, nothing too impactful, yet. I warned her though in my main save since I'm ride or die with Felicia XD

tldr; There's no need to wait for anything, you can ignore Lucy, ignore August's Office, ignore the Bar and straight beeline from Kathleen's (skip Hana) to VIP lounge if you want to talk to Felicia ASAP or see the scene. I've played through this part a few times and I've tested this. Going to Kathleen's will open up the VIP room. Enjoy!