Aside from tusks no, that's my whole point. If you turn them gray they could pass for a dark elf. But this is very much just a muscular green human. They're not realy any different from elves so unless you also consider elves to be monster girls I don't get the pint in considering Orcs to be monster girls
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Aside from tusks no, that's my whole point. If you turn them gray they could pass for a dark elf. But this is very much just a muscular green human. They're not realy any different from elves so unless you also consider elves to be monster girls I don't get the pint in considering Orcs to be monster girls
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and that's one trait, you missed the pointy ears
if grandma could get a bonet she'd be grandpa
unnaturally muscular
I didn't miss the pointy ears. That's why I said if you turn them gray they pass for a dark elf. They're not drastically different in apperance from humans or other humanoid fantasy races like elves or dwarves.
And that's not unnaturally musclar at all. Most stock barbarian type characters have that same body type.
And it's not like you can't find thinner female orcs on the internet. It doesn't really make a ton of sense to consider orcs monster girls, but not elves
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that's because in tolkien's lore orcs were elves corrupted bymorgoth
Yeah except the Peter Jackson orcs do look drastically different from elves. Orc women like that I would consider monster girl. But 99% of the time when it comes to orcs in fantasy it's more like the picture I sent. She orcs especially, since people sexualizing them don't want them to look to drastically different and want them to look more like an Amazonian beauty
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that is still your subjective opinion based on your atraction to she-orcs. we are talking abut orcs as a species and in most settings they are the result of unnatural interference that created monsters
No it's really not. It's a pretty common complaint that female orcs tend to be fairly sexualized so they tend to look more like humans. And like I said earlier their origin is not relevant whether or not something is a monster girl. It's about how closely they resemble humans. Most female orcs are just like in this meme and are just green barbarian babes. And honestly it's just a thing with fantasy barbarians in general. Barbarian guys tend to be roided out and barbarian women are more like red Sonja
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At this point I feel we need Tinkerer to way in & tell us cos this argument is getting g boring. You're point is based on SOME depictions of a race of souped-up Goblins created by an author that never existed before then & have been changed, used & represented by almost every fantasy creator that has followed. If Orcs arnt monster girls the Goblins are not monster either. End of story.
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But they are BOTH Succubi, ED is literally a clone of Naamah... you're logic is failing now
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You can make that argument for ANY mythical or Sci-Fi race ever created by horny nerds. Which most of us are let's be honest.
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Ok so would u say Orc males are monsters? But the sexy Orc females are not Monster Girls? You cant have both there the same species dude
Stop bring up tolkien. This has always been a debate about apperance and not their role in the story. I kept bringing up dnd earlier because fantasy orcs in modern fantasy tend to take their apperance from dnd. And yes I agree it's boring. Most people don't consider orc women too be monster girls. Your free to disagree, but that's not the general consensus
I've explained my logic multiple time. It's you who doesn't really understand it. I've said over and over again that it's all about appearance not about what "race" they are. Most demons in fantasy can look however they want, but most people don't coni. You're the one who is hung up on author's intent and folklore when that's not how anyone defines monster girl.
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It's about visual characteristics. Not any sort of character traits or origins.
I mean I kind of did earlier when I kept mentioning star trek
Yes. Like I said over and over again it's literal about appearance and you're over complicating it. Does this look close to a human? If yes it's not a monster girl, if no then it's a monster girl. It's not about whether or not they're an actual monster it's about whether or not they look like a monster.
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Monsters aren't the same thing as monster girls. Monster girls is about female characters with a monster like appearance. Whether or not a zombie is monster girl depends on how deformed she is. If she's just a human with an odd complexation she's not.
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I'm not at all sure how you took that from what I said. If anything I would think the fact I just said a different skin tone isn't enough would suggest the opposite. Especially since that was my main argument against them being monster girls. Even if you google monster girls you mostly just get results for hybrids. Stuff like elves, angels, demons, orcs generally arent included. It's mostly just stuff like Lamia and harpies.
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green is not a different skin tone, it's a completely different color.
that's because search results are overbloated with mnaga nad anime girls
This is a really weird argument. Black people and white people have different skin colors, but we still address it as different skin tones. Skin tone vs skin color mean the exact same thing in this context.
I mean yeah because that's pretty much where the whole concept originated. It's mostly anthropomorphizing monsters and giving them a human face and boobs.
It was never about "I consider orcs monsters, so this is a monster girl" and more about "I took this shapeless blob and gave it tits", and "hey this girl is half bird"
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that's a stupid argument, the difference between people is due to melanin, what pigmentation would make humans green?