VN Ren'Py Abandoned Penny for Your Thoughts [v1.2.1 Prologue] [Lockheart]

[Brainwave_first]

Rose garden Trilogy??
A Petal among Roses - Avalon .... what's the third?

A Petal Among Thorns - A Moment of Bliss - Over the Moon (working title).
Only A petal among Thorns is active, the other ones haven't been released yet

 

[I-Love-Adventure]

nice game thank you

 

[Spatenklopper]

Since this is a revised version of the game, the tags should be cleaned up.
Male and multiple protagonists should no longer be correct.

 

[Wolfkins]

I'm alternately amused & aggravated reading through this thread. Foremost, this IS Penny's game and as an old PM convo I had with Lockheart indicated, it was always meant to be her show... with that in mind there's a few things I can't understand about the opinions/povs/demands of some of the people in this thread. In what universe would it make sense to insert only a male MC into a story that was created around a 100 percent lesbian character without completely upstaging/undermining or ruining telling Penny's story?

Second thing is the "chicken or egg" first perspective several people seem to have regarding "a market" for games with female protagonists- the argument is that there isn't a market for such games because AO games supposedly are 90% male audiences who prefer male MCs 'cause they have complexes about envisioning themselves as that male MC & playing female characters somehow insults/invalidates/emasculates their hugely inflated sexual egos.

As a woman who enjoys playing games with both male or female MCs I argue that perhaps the reason there isn't "a market" is precisely because there ironically aren't enough games with decently strong female MCs... there are a gazillion AO games with male MCs (and they run the gamut of great, mediocre & absolute shit character personalities).

There are far fewer AO games with likeable, strong female MCs- about maybe 1/4th of female protagonists games have such characters, the other 75% are primarily whore/slut/corruption trainers basically and as a woman I would rather play as a male MC or a strong female MC in games with both emotional as well as sexual content.

I don't think it's accurate to say that female protag games can't be successful because there's such a small market, rather there's such a small market because the majority of female protag games aren't written with decently character developed women, the majority of them are weak willed easily manipulated f**%toys & that's boring for people who want porn+story but absolutely perfect for those who just want to have quick faps.

Penny is absolutely a wonderfully developed character deserving of having her story told, those people bitching about absolutely having to have a male MC? Go play the hundred gazillion other such games that cater to your inability to enjoy a game without imagining it's your awesome schlong (as the MC) alone deserving of conquering all the pussycats of the known universes.
There's more than enough of such games for you to go enjoy & to stop hating on well written AVNs that cater to better storytelling & sexual tastes that don't fit in your MO or worldview or as several others in this thread have suggested, go ahead and write/create your own selective AVN if playing this game is such an affront to your utterly perfect masculinity, no one's forcing you to play or forcing you to like the game they created... that's your choice dude.

So either choose to give the game a shot or gtfo & return to the storyscapes that you know will peel your banana- stop bitching about this lovely creation & get on with your life.

Lockheart, sorry for the rant but it pisses me off that so many people assume that AO games are only beloved by or embraced by men & as such should only cater to them when it's not true at all.

I've been eagerly waiting for this project since our last conversation and was delighted to see how much has been fleshed out based off what I've read in this thread but I've been utterly revolted by the reeking "eau d' entitlement" some of these users wear as a badge for demeaning and moaning over YOUR choices in the game YOU are creating, not them.

I haven't played yet as I honestly wish to have further development before diving into this game but Penny is one of my favorite AVN characters & I'm so incredibly excited that you are moving forward the way you planned.

I have never supported anyone on Patreon (not a fan of the hypocrisy of the site's restrictions) but I'm considering offering you some financial support in the near future when I have available funds to do such & I prefer not to use Patreon, what's a safe secondary or third platform that you suggest for doing this?

 

[juan palote]

I'm alternately amused & aggravated reading through this thread. Foremost, this IS Penny's game and as an old PM convo I had with Lockheart indicated, it was always meant to be her show... with that in mind there's a few things I can't understand about the opinions/povs/demands of some of the people in this thread. In what universe would it make sense to insert only a male MC into a story that was created around a 100 percent lesbian character without completely upstaging/undermining or ruining telling Penny's story?

Second thing is the "chicken or egg" first perspective several people seem to have regarding "a market" for games with female protagonists- the argument is that there isn't a market for such games because AO games supposedly are 90% male audiences who prefer male MCs 'cause they have complexes about envisioning themselves as that male MC & playing female characters somehow insults/invalidates/emasculates their hugely inflated sexual egos.

As a woman who enjoys playing games with both male or female MCs I argue that perhaps the reason there isn't "a market" is precisely because there ironically aren't enough games with decently strong female MCs... there are a gazillion AO games with male MCs (and they run the gamut of great, mediocre & absolute shit character personalities).

There are far fewer AO games with likeable, strong female MCs- about maybe 1/4th of female protagonists games have such characters, the other 75% are primarily whore/slut/corruption trainers basically and as a woman I would rather play as a male MC or a strong female MC in games with both emotional as well as sexual content.

I don't think it's accurate to say that female protag games can't be successful because there's such a small market, rather there's such a small market because the majority of female protag games aren't written with decently character developed women, the majority of them are weak willed easily manipulated f**%toys & that's boring for people who want porn+story but absolutely perfect for those who just want to have quick faps.

Penny is absolutely a wonderfully developed character deserving of having her story told, those people bitching about absolutely having to have a male MC? Go play the hundred gazillion other such games that cater to your inability to enjoy a game without imagining it's your awesome schlong (as the MC) alone deserving of conquering all the pussycats of the known universes.
There's more than enough of such games for you to go enjoy & to stop hating on well written AVNs that cater to better storytelling & sexual tastes that don't fit in your MO or worldview or as several others in this thread have suggested, go ahead and write/create your own selective AVN if playing this game is such an affront to your utterly perfect masculinity, no one's forcing you to play or forcing you to like the game they created... that's your choice dude.

So either choose to give the game a shot or gtfo & return to the storyscapes that you know will peel your banana- stop bitching about this lovely creation & get on with your life.

Lockheart, sorry for the rant but it pisses me off that so many people assume that AO games are only beloved by or embraced by men & as such should only cater to them when it's not true at all.

I've been eagerly waiting for this project since our last conversation and was delighted to see how much has been fleshed out based off what I've read in this thread but I've been utterly revolted by the reeking "eau d' entitlement" some of these users wear as a badge for demeaning and moaning over YOUR choices in the game YOU are creating, not them.

I haven't played yet as I honestly wish to have further development before diving into this game but Penny is one of my favorite AVN characters & I'm so incredibly excited that you are moving forward the way you planned.

I have never supported anyone on Patreon (not a fan of the hypocrisy of the site's restrictions) but I'm considering offering you some financial support in the near future when I have available funds to do such & I prefer not to use Patreon, what's a safe secondary or third platform that you suggest for doing this?

The problem was never that, the problem was the clear out of place inclusion of Cassian as a male protagonist just to add a tag and attrack more people. The problem with the previous version of the game was CASSIAN, get it for once.

It was clear that this was Penny's game, and it was clear that she was the only protagonist, so it was clear that Cassian was just an excuse.

This game should have launched from the start with just a female protagonist (even when Lockheart itself promised it wasnt going to be).

Now the game is fixed in that sense, and as you can see, it has less posts against it, which proves that Penny and the female prtagonist WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM.

The problem was always CASSIAN being a terrible MC and the excuse of the male protagonisty tag, which was clearly intended to have more players.

 

[SpyderArachnid]

Glad to see this back. I didn't mind the dual protags (Cass and Penny), but don't mind it just being Penny this time around either. Just happy in general that it is being worked on again! Thanks Lockheart for your work!

And I loved the scene with Cass hitting on Leah and seeing Penny's reaction. Had me rolling.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

Playing as female mc is avoidable ??

 

[*POP!*]

Only saw Penny in Avalon so far, but i have no issue with her being the MC. I mean ... it's already in the title so that's exactly what i would expect.

 

[Deleted member 748346]

"We're no longer going to feature Cassian as a main character so we've removed some content that was intended for that path. All the links have been updated to the new version of the Prologue."

Sorry devs Avalon was cool to play but A Petal Among Thorns it's a pretty boring incest story , i was actually excited to go back to Penny for your thoughts not because of Penny but because i really enjoy Cassian personality and story as a male player i liked that you gave a chance for both male and female players to play either as Penny or Cassian. I honestly prefer Penny as a side character and in the previous update whatever you chose after that the story would focus on that character and now you decide to remake the prologue and remove the only character i enjoyed playing with in this game from being a playable character . I'm no longer interested in this because i really wanted to play as Cassian . It's like you removed what made this game more unique for me the fact that we could play as Cassian and other people could play Penny made this game interesting without that , since i have 0 interest of playing as Penny this game just lost my interest. This decision and A Petal Among Thorns honestly feels like a drop in quality compared with Avalon. Thanks for ruining this game for me since i really liked to play as Cassian . And before somebody says anything bad about my comment i am not saying to put Cassian as the only MC what i am saying is to leave both characters as playable characters because honestly Penny doesn't attract me enough to play as her and i like to play as a male character in games as well

 

[*POP!*]

Jeesh

BTW. Started to play this one. I can already see that i am in for a ride here. Jinx is adorable

(No Alita sequel, but 6 Tornado Shark movies - So true!)
I admire your work with Penny. It's very rare to find well written female leads. Nothing wrong about that. I always liked the Alien Movies too.

 

[RolandG.]

Thank you for the update and for deciding to continue developing the game.
I like Penny, and would have found it a great pity if her story had not been told any more.
Thank you!

 

[Wolfkins]

The problem was never that, the problem was the clear out of place inclusion of Cassian as a male protagonist just to add a tag and attrack more people. The problem with the previous version of the game was CASSIAN, get it for once.

It was clear that this was Penny's game, and it was clear that she was the only protagonist, so it was clear that Cassian was just an excuse.

This game should have launched from the start with just a female protagonist (even when Lockheart itself promised it wasnt going to be).

Now the game is fixed in that sense, and as you can see, it has less posts against it, which proves that Penny and the female prtagonist WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM.

The problem was always CASSIAN being a terrible MC and the excuse of the male protagonisty tag, which was clearly intended to have more players.

Juan all I get out of all of your posts in this thread is that the only thing that would make you happy with this game is for it to exclusively have a male MC... and nothing less than a super sexed ultra aggressive alpha male type for you either.

Pray tell me exactly how you envisioned such an alpha stud solo MC fitting into a story created about a lesbian woman without completely derailing Penny's story?

I'm serious, I'm genuinely curious as to how you would think such a story would unfold without changing entirely who Penny is as person and still be a great game to play.

As I haven't played this yet I don't have any opinion on Cassian as a character, all I see in the thread's history is that you would never be happy without a male MC & then you turn right around & say that Cassian isn't a "man enough" MC for you.

I get that you refuse to play female protag games, that's great but this IS Penny's story and quite frankly there isn't much plausibility in writing it through the lens of a male MC as there would be very little reason for Penny's sexcapades or LIs to ever interact in a meaningful manner with said male MC, so how would that even work for decent storytelling?

I am honestly curious as to how you thought that could be achieved so please feel free to enlighten me with your ideas.

 

[juan palote]

Juan all I get out of all of your posts in this thread is that the only thing that would make you happy with this game is for it to exclusively have a male MC... and nothing less than a super sexed ultra aggressive alpha male type for you either.

Pray tell me exactly how you envisioned such an alpha stud solo MC fitting into a story created about a lesbian woman without completely derailing Penny's story?

I'm serious, I'm genuinely curious as to how you would think such a story would unfold without changing entirely who Penny is as person and still be a great game to play.

As I haven't played this yet I don't have any opinion on Cassian as a character, all I see in the thread's history is that you would never be happy without a male MC & then you turn right around & say that Cassian isn't a "man enough" MC for you.

I get that you refuse to play female protag games, that's great but this IS Penny's story and quite frankly there isn't much plausibility in writing it through the lens of a male MC as there would be very little reason for Penny's sexcapades or LIs to ever interact in a meaningful manner with said male MC, so how would that even work for decent storytelling?

I am honestly curious as to how you thought that could be achieved so please feel free to enlighten me with your ideas.

Then you have read all my posts wrong. I always said that it was Cassian the one that made no sense and that the only reason why Cassiain was an MC was to add the tag. I kept on saying how Cassian made no sense as an MC and even called him a Robin to the Batman (which was Penny). I even said two times already (this would be the third) that removing Cassian as an MC was a GOOD DECISSION

So seriously, you need to learn to read.

I dont play female protag games, but i have no problem with them (and there are plenty, and there is a market for them). I do have problems with games that claim to have a male protagonist and then i find out that its just a terrible excuse of an MC and its just there to bait users, like Cassian was.

That was the problem, it was always the problem.

The file you uploaded mentions Lockheart promising that Penny for your thoughts was not going to be a female protagonist when i asked him in the Avalon thread when he announced the project. I asked him if it was going to be a female protagonist because i didnt like them, and he literally replied (When did i failed you?", clearly hinting it wasnt going to be.

He could have just said yes, its going to be a female protagonist because i want to make a story around her as a protagonist, and it would have been fine, i would have just ignored the game like i do with plenty of others.

 

[Wolfkins]

Then you have read all my posts wrong. I always said that it was Cassian the one that made no sense and that the only reason why Cassiain was an MC was to add the tag. I kept on saying how Cassian made no sense as an MC and even called him a Robin to the Batman (which was Penny). I even said two times already (this would be the third) that removing Cassian as an MC was a GOOD DECISSION

So seriously, you need to learn to read.

I dont play female protag games, but i have no problem with them (and there are plenty, and there is a market for them). I do have problems with games that claim to have a male protagonist and then i find out that its just a terrible excuse of an MC and its just there to bait users, like Cassian was.

That was the problem, it was always the problem.

The file you uploaded mentions Lockheart promising that Penny for your thoughts was not going to be a female protagonist when i asked him in the



I did read everything you had posted including your opinions that Cassian was "an excuse of an MC" included as a means of baiting more players... once again I have no opinion on him, haven't played the game but for purely semantic purposes- is Cassian male or not? (your opinion of his likeability is irrelevant as you CLEARLY stated your desire for a male MC of some sort in the post I included) If he isn't male what is he? If he is male, even one that does not meet with your approval, didn't Lockheart indeed create a male MC?

As far as what you interpreted as a promise by Lockheart from a conversation held in another thread, I wasn't witness to that conversation so have no idea of its veracity or lack thereof but even so... if as I asked above Cassian is indeed male AND Lockheart did indeed include him with the intention of having him as the male protag, where exactly aside from your dislike of that character did Lockheart not do exactly as he said he would?

 

[Wolfkins]

Why are you being rude Juan? I asked you a valid series of questions above. Your distaste for Cassian does not negate the point I posed. Could you at least try to answer without insisting on being insulting in the process?

 

[juan palote]

Why are you being rude Juan? I asked you a valid series of questions above. Your distaste for Cassian does not negate the point I posed. Could you at least try to answer without insisting on being insulting in the process?

Because you are clearly trolling, which you give away in the last two posts.

Just enjoy the improvement of the game you got thanks to us. I wont replay anymore because i dont want to feed you

 

[Wolfkins]

The majority of this thread is like...

 

[Wolfkins]

Find it interesting that asking perfectly reasonable valid questions might be deemed "trolling" but **shrugs** guess I'm now henceforth enlightened.
In other news, thank you for the kind words Masterchef, they are greatly appreciated even though that was a super crudely created 5 min sharpie sketch, oil paints or charcoal are my actual preferred mediums for art.

 

[TheLargePickel]

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Thanks for replying to my questions. I wish you would have gave something remotely close to answer.

Ya, I get it. It's a story-focused female protagonist visual novel with light sexual content. But this does not exclude the possibility of other-than-female love interests.

It also doesn't explicitly define if the sexual content is light just for now or if it will remain light throughout the course of the game's development.

Nor does it define if "light" in the context of sexual content means the content will only be handjobs and blowjobs or if it means it occurs less than once an update.

Once again, thank you for looking at my questions without reading them or giving them any thought.

 

[jufot]

Ya, I get it. It's a story-focused female protagonist visual novel with light sexual content. But this does not exclude the possibility of other-than-female love interests.

It also doesn't explicitly define if the sexual content is light just for now or if it will remain light throughout the course of the game's development.

Nor does it define if "light" in the context of sexual content means the content will only be handjobs and blowjobs or if it means it occurs less than once an update.

Penny is a lesbian. If I were you, I'd keep my dick-related expectations from this game to a minimum