michelita

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What is the point of having a discussion forum about a game when it is frowned upon to discuss?

I agree that many times "discussions" are just "crying" and just bitching around. Including me. But I have read very interesting and well reasoned arguments about the decision to have Evelyn do porn. What's wrong with arguing about it if your arguments are well grounded?

Yes, it's optional. You can opt for a totally different path. But why can't I have an opinion on that?

The vast majority of us here, whatever your opinion is, do not financially support the developers and probably never will. But that's no impediment to discussing something you don't like. The developers have over 1000 patrons and they increase with every update of the game. I doubt very much that our discussions about Evelyn will make them change their opinion. The people who support them financially like it or have no problem with it and that's fine. Why change it? And, therefore, why not argue about it if they are not going to change the whole game for 10 people on this site? It would be different if it was 100 patrons "complaining". Obviously you have to give priority to those who fund you. If our discussions aren't going to change the world but they don't do any harm either, what's the problem?

But I insist that's no excuse to say the typical "If you don't like it, get out of here." If I like this game I am in my full right to say what I don't like. Just without being a jerk or sounding like a 12 year old. Yes, it's an internet forum full of porn games. But try to argue with a minimum of fucking logic. Regardless of your opinion.

I must say that for me its is disappointing that option. It's hard to be on my route where Evelyn will be a beautiful model and have romantic dates with the MC while on the other she is gangbanged 5 times a day. I appreciate having the option of a romantic route, no doubt. But you can calmly discuss why it doesn't make sense to me to have a route of doing porn. It doesn't hurt to do it. And if, for some reason, you think that what doesn't make sense is for her to have a romantic route, discuss that as well.

That said, if it were up to me, I'd take all the sharing out of the game because I'm a selfish motherfucker. But I'll focus on enjoying the content on the route I choose (Model Route) and I'll comment on the things I don't like about that route, trying to forget about the other one.
I'd agree it doesn't make too much sense to have her do porn. However, the MC doesn't strike me as the nicest guy so it's possible for his inner douche to influence her decisions in such way. I play with incest patch so after such taboo, everything is possible. I'd suggest you pay no mind to other paths you don't like and be glad there is one that you do enjoy. It's not like a fictional character has feelings about anything so why torment yourself.
 

Axterx

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I must say that for me its is disappointing that option. It's hard to be on my route where Evelyn will be a beautiful model and have romantic dates with the MC while on the other she is gangbanged 5 times a day.
This I don't get. If it isn't in your route, it didn't happen in your universe. She's not getting banged five times a day. That only happens if you pick the other route. Likewise, if you're dominating Fiona on your route, she's not dominating you because that's what she does on the other. What you're complaining about is like complaining that there's an option to have the protagonist be male or female in a game, because you only like male protagonists. Well, pick male. Done.

Don't get me wrong. That doesn't mean you are wrong to say that having her turn porn star doesn't make much sense, character-wise. And that's something I'd agree with. If you told me that the mom was going to have relationships with others, I'd expect it to be with her best friend, the police officer, and/or maybe the brat from college would do something to her. Porn wouldn't even be on the radar. Not without some major groundwork laid. As in, maybe as something that happens a ways down the road on the modeling path. But, admittedly, it has been a few updates since I've played this game, so can't really comment fairly in this regard.
 
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SeveredRealms

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I really get a kick out of all this. I stopped supporting the dev when she got the bright idea to bring in a whore house and put the sister in it. Then saying ohh ohh she will be out in the next update and she wasnt..... Instant loss of trust. Now more andmore sharing routes are showing up. I played the very first release of this game and supported it for a long time. now out of the but once again the dev has done something that doesnt fit the character.... putting the sister in a whore house was bad enough now she has to involve the mother with a porn star route. something way out of character from the original story line. Then we got more girls for the whore house... Where is the harem game this started out as?
The story keep getting more convoluted with each update and more paths splitting each time. All this does is slow down content creation and adds more questionable stuff that was never mentioned or planned from the very first release. Now the game has way to many girls in it which hurts the game because the original ones get less screen time since now the dev has to make sure all these new ones get their time in the spotlight. At the rate this dev is going I see a crash coming eventually either the dev will burn out or just plain abandon the game because it will get to the point nothing fits back together and the original idea of it being a harem game is completely lost among all the broken paths and content a harem player doesnt like.
 

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I really get a kick out of all this. I stopped supporting the dev when she got the bright idea to bring in a whore house and put the sister in it. Then saying ohh ohh she will be out in the next update and she wasnt..... Instant loss of trust. Now more andmore sharing routes are showing up. I played the very first release of this game and supported it for a long time. now out of the but once again the dev has done something that doesnt fit the character.... putting the sister in a whore house was bad enough now she has to involve the mother with a porn star route. something way out of character from the original story line. Then we got more girls for the whore house... Where is the harem game this started out as?
The story keep getting more convoluted with each update and more paths splitting each time. All this does is slow down content creation and adds more questionable stuff that was never mentioned or planned from the very first release. Now the game has way to many girls in it which hurts the game because the original ones get less screen time since now the dev has to make sure all these new ones get their time in the spotlight. At the rate this dev is going I see a crash coming eventually either the dev will burn out or just plain abandon the game because it will get to the point nothing fits back together and the original idea of it being a harem game is completely lost among all the broken paths and content a harem player doesnt like.
Yes, the sister in the Red Maiden was ... questionable. Well, she got out in the end but after that: nothing, no continuation of her story.
I DO think the Red Maiden is a nice addition to the game, espescially the "investigation". but the way the Red Maiden is handled ... I don't know. Sakura and mostly June seem to be nice girls, but for their storyline we need to condemn others. Who's idea was that?
 
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oldatoz

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What is the point of having a discussion forum about a game when it is frowned upon to discuss?
I definitely agree. And while you are right that we focus on our patrons (as we obviously should), we still at the very least check what you guys say here too sometimes . It's frustrating to see how some people choose to voice their worries, but I have a thick skin at this point. It may take a while to find the constructive criticism in the middle of the bickering, but every update or so I do try to get people to voice what they think about certain decisions.

That being said, it's really awkward having to read exaggerations or misconstrued intent on certain scenes or story developments when we KNOW why we are doing what we are doing. People think there's this huge conspiracy to add NTR to the game. Or that we just plain don't like certain characters because it's been a while since they've had content. I mean, just look a few posts before this one to see yet another discussion about how we "lied" when saying there was going to be a way to take Rachel out of the RM just because there hasn't been a full continuation to her story yet. Meanwhile Rachel is constantly on polls for our patrons to decide who should be the focus of the next update, and yet she hasn't won them so far.

It's going to happen! We will finish her story, as we will every other characters'. Sharing is optional. There won't be any NTR. We won't abandon the game. We care what you think, just try to explain yourself thoroughly and be polite. There's more to learn about the Red Maiden, and what is going on in the peninsula. Be patient and it'll all turn out well.
 

Havenless_

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I definitely agree. And while you are right that we focus on our patrons (as we obviously should), we still at the very least check what you guys say here too sometimes . It's frustrating to see how some people choose to voice their worries, but I have a thick skin at this point. It may take a while to find the constructive criticism in the middle of the bickering, but every update or so I do try to get people to voice what they think about certain decisions.

That being said, it's really awkward having to read exaggerations or misconstrued intent on certain scenes or story developments when we KNOW why we are doing what we are doing. People think there's this huge conspiracy to add NTR to the game. Or that we just plain don't like certain characters because it's been a while since they've had content. I mean, just look a few posts before this one to see yet another discussion about how we "lied" when saying there was going to be a way to take Rachel out of the RM just because there hasn't been a full continuation to her story yet. Meanwhile Rachel is constantly on polls for our patrons to decide who should be the focus of the next update, and yet she hasn't won them so far.

It's going to happen! We will finish her story, as we will every other characters'. Sharing is optional. There won't be any NTR. We won't abandon the game. We care what you think, just try to explain yourself thoroughly and be polite. There's more to learn about the Red Maiden, and what is going on in the peninsula. Be patient and it'll all turn out well.
I completely understand. It's difficult but not impossible to find interesting and well-founded comments about the things you like and the things you don't like. That's why I "defend" those who do it the right way when on the other side you simply read a "don't complain, it's optional". They are partly right, but it seems to me that this just belittles a truly well-founded opinion.

I really appreciate that you keep stopping by, reading a little of what people have to say. Obviously you're not obligated to, but it's a nice touch. And it is even more so to take the time to answer.

So rather than further inflame the discussion (which in my opinion, is healthy to some extent), I'll take this opportunity to ask if you guys plan to add content for those of us who are not related to RM in our game. If I'm not mistaken, a couple of updates ago you guys added content with other RM girls, but I couldn't see that content because I have nothing to do with the club and I feel like I missed out on content. I saw it in a PH gameplay. lol but I don't know for sure. Am I wrong?

Or know if the romance routes will have less sexual content or less "side missions" either with main girls or secondary girls.
 

SeveredRealms

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I was patient for a year and a half at I don't know 14 or 15 bucks a month what ever the tier was on patreon. I can remember when Moochi had hardly any supporters and yea its awesome she has grown but her original story has been lost. Then one of the main LI's was turned into a whore working as a prostitute in a whore house. There where other things that could have been done with her cause she wanted to earn money and other ways to rebuild the relationship between them. She wanted to be a model he wanted to be a photographer he could have used that to get closer to her by taking photos of her and posting them on his website. Doing the online photos could also have been used to corrupt her by slowly getting her to pose nude and do other things. Yea she would have been considered in the industry but instead of working in a whore house it would have been done at home or some other private place. They would both have made money and a lot more then just him posting photos of flowers in the park. Went to integrate the red maiden. simple use these "new" girls being brought in. they could have been girls he had seen around school and he finds them there and works on getting them out.. Not bringing in current LI's and turning them into whores like Rachel is now. Also Yes Moochi did say after people complained that in the next update after finding Rachel in there you would be able to get her out and that didn't happen... That was over a year and a half ago now and look at that she is still in the damn place... No kid with a part time job could afford to pay a whore house enough to keep a girl only to himself. That's some serious porn logic to think that's even remotely realistic.
On another subject though I don't like the whole sharing thing I will say this for people that don't understand it. Sharing is not NTR is it my fetish no but people need to stop confusing it with NTR because its not. I do believe it does fall under the swinging tag so that might be a tag you should add. As for Evelin and this porn star path.... She never once up to this point acted like someone that would even consider going down that path. After all the time spent working to get ahead and being supported the whole time by the mc and well as being supported by the mc with her college studies this porn star thing doesn't add up and doesn't fit at all. to me that's just a way to bring in other types of players and then you start getting into the grey area when it does come to NTR so that's something you all might want to rethink but after the whole red maiden bullshit with Rachel It just looks like taking the easy way out to add drama and sharing.
 

Maverick369

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I kinda like the idea of corrupting the mom and sister into sexual world. But I understand the argument. I would like to see the ntr route continue but make it an option to turn off. I also would have liked to see mom work there as well.
 

MrLKX

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restart if don't have earlier save and don't get booted from school.
I think the question the user is asking is more like what can our MC do after school (meaning in the evening) or something. The post is not so clear (possibly due to a language barrier), but I do not think that his MC was thrown out of school, I think that was a game over scenario if that happened?
 
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HHTG

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The worse part of the 2 different routes for Evelyn is the "excuse" as to why they need the money, that's the major problem that I have with all that plot. I still don't like that every character has 2 fully developed routes since that only means more diluted content, but the real problem is still the weak "excuses" as to why in a story point of view.
 

endriux

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I was patient for a year and a half at I don't know 14 or 15 bucks a month what ever the tier was on patreon. I can remember when Moochi had hardly any supporters and yea its awesome she has grown but her original story has been lost. Then one of the main LI's was turned into a whore working as a prostitute in a whore house. There where other things that could have been done with her cause she wanted to earn money and other ways to rebuild the relationship between them. She wanted to be a model he wanted to be a photographer he could have used that to get closer to her by taking photos of her and posting them on his website. Doing the online photos could also have been used to corrupt her by slowly getting her to pose nude and do other things. Yea she would have been considered in the industry but instead of working in a whore house it would have been done at home or some other private place. They would both have made money and a lot more then just him posting photos of flowers in the park. Went to integrate the red maiden. simple use these "new" girls being brought in. they could have been girls he had seen around school and he finds them there and works on getting them out.. Not bringing in current LI's and turning them into whores like Rachel is now. Also Yes Moochi did say after people complained that in the next update after finding Rachel in there you would be able to get her out and that didn't happen... That was over a year and a half ago now and look at that she is still in the damn place... No kid with a part time job could afford to pay a whore house enough to keep a girl only to himself. That's some serious porn logic to think that's even remotely realistic.
On another subject though I don't like the whole sharing thing I will say this for people that don't understand it. Sharing is not NTR is it my fetish no but people need to stop confusing it with NTR because its not. I do believe it does fall under the swinging tag so that might be a tag you should add. As for Evelin and this porn star path.... She never once up to this point acted like someone that would even consider going down that path. After all the time spent working to get ahead and being supported the whole time by the mc and well as being supported by the mc with her college studies this porn star thing doesn't add up and doesn't fit at all. to me that's just a way to bring in other types of players and then you start getting into the grey area when it does come to NTR so that's something you all might want to rethink but after the whole red maiden bullshit with Rachel It just looks like taking the easy way out to add drama and sharing.
It's hard to disagree. This game has completely lost its original atmosphere. That's why I let go, but I'm following the topic if something interesting will finally appear.
 

ron nx

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Hello there, can anyone tell me what is Evelyn's content in this update? (Pornstar route or the other one)
 
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