Nemo56

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Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous to call it rape after he's spent weeks grooming her. Believe it or not, context matters.
If you drug someone aftfer she flirted with you, the judge will see it differently.

The context actually does not matter when it comes to the definition. Sure, most of us are perfectly ok with the scene and also would consider themselves lucky to be in that situation, but from a legal point of view it's very clear what happened.
 

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If you drug someone aftfer she flirted with you, the judge will see it differently.

The context actually does not matter when it comes to the definition. Sure, most of us are perfectly ok with the scene and also would consider themselves lucky to be in that situation, but from a legal point of view it's very clear what happened.

Only if MC objects to that. Isn't that the actual definition of rape.... "Object".
 
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Nemo56

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he wouldn't object if he was awake...
Maybe, maybe not. But since she didn't ask ...

Only if MC objects to that. Isn't that the actual definition of rape.... "Object".
You don't seem to know the expression "only 'yes' means 'yes'".
So basically you are saying that drug someone so she can't object, it's ok? Good to know. I mean ... after all she didn't object, did she?
 

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Hey folks, calm down. On one side, it's a porn game and fictional and there's plenty of similarly icky behavior, some of which got removed but plenty that stayed in the game.
Legality and morality more often than not have nothing to do with each other, thus using the former to argue the later won't really help.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous to call it rape after he's spent weeks grooming her. Believe it or not, context matters.
On one side, true. He totally wants to get into her pants, yet on his terms not hers. At this point there's a fallacy, a problem, where one could argue they are trying to rape each other. Each wanting sex, but none of them allowing it... at the time.

If you drug someone aftfer she flirted with you, the judge will see it differently.

The context actually does not matter when it comes to the definition. Sure, most of us are perfectly ok with the scene and also would consider themselves lucky to be in that situation, but from a legal point of view it's very clear what happened.
Using a false or fake persona is sometimes also considered by judges. If you pretend to be someone else, someone the other party wouldn't have a problems with, it's also a big no, for most judges.

Maybe, maybe not. But since she didn't ask ...

You don't seem to know the expression "only 'yes' means 'yes'".
So basically you are saying that drug someone so she can't object, it's ok? Good to know. I mean ... after all she didn't object, did she?
If that was really the case, SM, bondage and other fetishes wouldn't exist or would always be illegal and prosecuted as rape.

To end my argument: "The MC is willing, but unconscious. He's done a very similar thing to her, without her knowledge. The MC is actually not completely asleep, just imagines it being a dream. As shown in the end, since he was awake, even though he thought it was a dream and didn't object, all's good. He is also the one that, as others have pointed out, trick-groomed her into that.
If anyone wants to use drug related parallels, it's like flirting with someone (and them back), trying to drug them but ending up drinking the wrong spiked drink, still having sex in the end.
It's been many updates since the last time I played this game, though, and I hope they solved the weird family interaction inconsistencies... possibly having continued those storylines.
 
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If that was really the case, SM, bondage and other fetishes wouldn't exist or would always be illegal and prosecuted as rape.
It would be if the participants didn't agree to it and consent to the rules before it starts. You can't just do that to anyone on the street without asking first :D

You named the one reason why it's ok in this game: Because it's a game and those who play it are aware with the fact that it's all about dreams and fetishes. I mean, who of us never dreamed of a hot blonde doing this to him?
 
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but he wasn't thinking that she would do it while he sleeps.
ofc not.
thats debatable

mc 27 "Ok then... Let’s start with your brother. Go into his room at night while he sleeps and..."
rach 30 "I don’t like where this is going..."
mc 29 "Just hear me out. So, take off your panties, lean onto him with your pussy exposed towards him."

then after he makes it clear to her that he sleeps like a log

if you need anything don’t be too shy to ask me. Anytime! Well, except mornings. I always sleep through the morning, heh."
which we know he doesn't and only said that in hopes she will do something agian (which she did) it was part of his plan.


context really matters and the context all pushes towards the fact the MC was trying to get her play with him when he's "sleeping"
 

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You named the one reason why it's ok in this game: Because it's a game and those who play it are aware with the fact that it's all about dreams and fetishes. I mean, who of us never dreamed of a hot blonde doing this to him?
Indeed. Well, I might have had a good argument in my closing statement too, but again, morality, legality... Hell, technically, grooming is worse than incest or bestiality in patreon's community guidelines but I haven't heard of any mass ban hammers being issued as of late.
 
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If you're in a relationship where you are pursuing sexy times with the other person, you have implicit consent. I've had multiple dozens of instances in my life where my partner or just a close friend woke me up in this manner. I've had multiple dozens of times where I did the same for my partner or friend.

There was never a single time either side would even TOLERATE someone else considering it rape, much less considering it so ourselves.

You're a f'n brain dead imbecile if you feel the need to vilify that scene as both the MC and his sis had already had clear intentions with each other.
 
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phreadom

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no white knights just waiting next update and being bored.
Same here. I'm digging around reading the development updates... I've been searching around on the forum for some of my current fav games, wondering when a new release will be. Bored bored bored. :)
 

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Same here. I'm digging around reading the development updates... I've been searching around on the forum for some of my current fav games, wondering when a new release will be. Bored bored bored. :)
just go thru watched list.
 

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probably are going to fuck Grace this update. Supposed to be A LOT of content
I have quite a bit of doubt about that. Grace's whole thing is that guys just sexualize her and or see her as a useful connection to her father. Besides, she knows how her best friend Jen feels about MC and her friendship with Jen is too important to her. MC and Grace have a good connection, but before anything can happen Grace's self-image has to change and a way has to be found for Grace to get closer to MC without feeling like she's betraying Jen.
 
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