Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

With all due respect man, but this is also bullshit. In Shut Up and Dance the mom character it's not just the one with most scenes but she also can be fucked already in ep. 2. This mom character = few sex scens is just another cheap, lazy and outdated trope. We are in 2024, devs can and should do batter than that.

Shut Up and Dance is fantastic but it's a bad comparison. SUaD has what, 5 or 6 characters you can fuck? And Megan is clearly the star. Power Vacuum has at least 20 characters you can fuck, so each one is not going to get as much "screen time" as Megan. Call them outdated tropes, but PV is a satire of the genre, so it's going to follow many of those tropes, that's the joke. At least there was constant progression with Ophelia, as opposed to Charlotte from No More Money where it's one-step-forward-two-steps-back for most of the game.

And about the scenes not being pointless sex, what about make events by Ophelia's POV where she and Sterling having "tons of sex everyday" as they say is actually showed and they have to sneak around the house to be able to fuck without get caught by others? We could get 3-4 or so on scenes of them fucking around the house in different rooms (sterling's bedroom, kitchen, living room, pool, dinner room and so on, could be even fit to show them experimenting things as they talked about it) and scene after scene is showed they are closer and closer to get caught by someone - until it finally happens as happened in the chapter. Seriously something like this will be pointless? because many events of the game are build this way. But no, let's just say they are having tons of sex everyday because sure this is what players want after so much slowburn for 11 chapters. Why bother make a good payoff with a good amout of sex, right?

I think you're hearing me but your not listening, so-to-speak. I'm not arguing there should be less sex, in fact I'll say yet again that I think Ophelia and Sterling needed at least one more exclusive sex scene. You suggest a lot of great ideas and I would've loved to have seen them. But as I mentioned above, this game has so many characters (perhaps too many?) and the dev is trying to give all of them attention every chapter. In an attempt to balance the attention given to all the characters, some potential sex scenes might be cut.

 

[lipe2410]

But as I mentioned above, this game has so many characters (perhaps too many?) and the dev is trying to give all of them attention every chapter. In an attempt to balance the attention given to all the characters, some potential sex scenes might be cut.

And to do that he decided sacrifice Ophelia's scenes with Sterling, the character that already was set to have few sex scenes "because is how these games works" . The main girl who already had lesser scenes than Brenna and Catherine. And because of that she get even less in the end.
Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

 

[DD69-1]

I thought we made peace about Ophelia and Sterling needing at least one more sex scene? That's not what I'm talking about now. I'm specifically addressing the criticisms of the Sterling-Ophelia-texting scene and the Sterling-Brenna-caught scene.

These scenes did not need to be longer. They were meant to be funny, not titillating. Expanding them into full-blown scenes would've derailed the larger plots they were a part of, or been super annoying as the perspective would switch back and forth between simultaneous events.

Imagine how frustrating it would be trying to fuck Ophelia, while the game is cutting back to Aliza and Mallory. Or fucking Brenna while the game is cutting to Ophelia snooping. It would be a disjointed mess from a storytelling point of view, and ironically people would complain about it.

Don't get me wrong , I am all for as many sex scenes as we can get. I just think complaints about those specific scenes are missing the big picture.

In my earlier comment, which you replied to I never mentioned mallory or aliza, I understand that bit. I'm all for story scenes just thinking of scene balance that's all, which you won't understand since all my complaints you're referring to are with respect to how the story with Ophlia and Sterling is carried and how the scenes are made, I am looking at the big picture and the vanilla scenes definitely don't do justice to 12 chapters that have been released till now.
It's a bit hypocritical to ask the vanilla fanbase to be understanding of the scenes wherein the non-vanilla crowd hot 3 big bad ends in last 3 uodates, they get what ifs as well. So lack of scenes is definitely a issue, just telling you if you're trying to play both sides at least be fair. There are no comments on the ntr front from your end, because that crowd will never complain if they get the scenes desired, and developer is giving them that.

 

[DD69-1]

Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

Exactly, and with the chapter 13, sterling would help Ophelia more to come to terms with Catherine's pregnancy and also Anabelles return, then they will say yeah it's story driven so no sex with sterling there since he's Ophelias emotional support. Lack of scenes with her will be explained this way in last chapter.

The same guys won't complain about story/scenes when it comes to bad ends, because all women are horny there and jumping on dicks and story is thrown out of the window. There is no balance of scenes in the last couple of updates.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

And to do that he decided sacrifice Ophelia's scenes with Sterling, the character that already was set to have few sex scenes "because is how these games works" . The main girl who already had lesser scenes than Brenna and Catherine. And because of that she get even less in the end.
Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

If you're saying that scenes with Ophelia should take some priority over other girls, I agree with that, but I think I may be biased.

It might be interesting to count how many exclusive sex scenes the other girls got with Sterling after their first full vaginal scenes. It might not be as high as you think?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

It's a bit hypocritical to ask the vanilla fanbase to be understanding of the scenes wherein the non-vanilla crowd hot 3 big bad ends in last 3 uodates, they get what ifs as well. So lack of scenes is definitely a issue, just telling you if you're trying to play both sides at least be fair. There are no comments on the ntr front from your end, because that crowd will never complain if they get the scenes desired, and developer is giving them that.

The same guys won't complain about story/scenes when it comes to bad ends, because all women are horny there and jumping on dicks and story is thrown out of the window. There is no balance of scenes in the last couple of updates.

I think we're talking past each other? I haven't been mentioning the NTR scenes because we were talking about couplings vs threesomes in the main story, not about vanilla vs NTR. The NTR scenes are not part of the main story, so everything I've been saying about story pacing doesn't apply to them. That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

Simple...
You're not echoing his words back at him therefore you're fair game for disingenuous gaslighting. All while never letting go of the very existence of netorare in this game, which means he must mention its existence and give an indication of how little it appeals to him.

 

[DD69-1]

I think we're talking past each other? I haven't been mentioning the NTR scenes because we were talking about couplings vs threesomes in the main story, not about vanilla vs NTR. The NTR scenes are not part of the main story, so everything I've been saying about story pacing doesn't apply to them. That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all

To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.

 

[frozenfeet]

This is a Warning:

If you don't want to see Lucia being murdered by Hunter do not pick the final NTR route in chapter 12. Lucia is crying and Hunter literally shoots Lucia in the head and it shows blood flying from her head as she dies. And Hunter makes fun of her hair as she dies. Don't choose "Take all three out at once." option that is the bad ending.

What? Why? Games
This is just total crap writing if I had known that was going to be there I wouldn't have even looked at that route. Thanks for the no warning about gratuitous violence and murder dev it really SUCKED.

 

[DD69-1]

To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.

We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point. That's all.

Hopefully next game a more autistic mc is there lol compared to Sterling so you can defend that as well

 

[Leongen43]

I don't understand why they are bothered by the NTR scenes, they are hot and fun, for those who don't like those scenes, the developer might hug them with love and say "don't worry, my dear baby, they aren't canon, go back to sleep and have nice dreams", If he does that you would be better off and not be bothered by the ntr scenes?

 

[hellyeah3000]

You have applied the patch in v12 correctly ?

I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?

 

[Snugglepuff]

I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?

Look up the word Mandatory in the dictionary. It appears three times in the OP for a reason...

 

[PBS666]

I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?

As Snugglepuff says, it's repeatedly mentioned in the OP that the patch is necessary. Without it, the game is hardly playable.

To install, you have to merge the content of the patch with the game folder. To get to the game folder on the Mac version, right click the app (an app on Mac is nothing but a folder masquerading as a file) , pick Show package contents and navigate down to Contents/Resourses/autorun.
Take note that the content of the patch needs to be added to the Game folder and its sub-folders. So the RPYs go into game, the webms go into game/ani and the pngs go into game/ani/images/V11 and V12 respectively.
If you have already deleted the archive, I'd recommend to make a duplicate of the game app first before you go altering the contents.

 

[KiraMantis]

Guys, now that chapter 12 is finished will the what ifs come back?

 

[TGafy]

Guys, now that chapter 12 is finished will the what ifs come back?

Pretty sure dev said that what ifs are on-hold until main story is finished.

 

[ShadowPhantomz]

I really liked this game, so I decided to make this guide based on the variables found in the game scripts.

Guide edition:
The game itself has a system that tells you what objective has been met, however with my guide I seek to help people identify what actions you must complete to execute certain variables and continue with the story.
Initially, I named the file "Walkthrough", however, it was my mistake to call it that, because with this I was not trying to tell the community how to play but to help them identify the variables and in which scripts to get them.
Sorry if that seems complex to some people, but that's my way of breaking down the game.

Updated on 08/15/2020 03:00 EST
Tutorial V0.6

so does the game have a walkthrough at all also i hope that this guide gets update and help everyone out

 

[MAGO-DAG]

so does the game have a walkthrough at all also i hope that this guide gets update and help everyone out

The game is very linear, there are not even any influencing choices other than whether to get the bad endings or not, because this is a Kinetic novel.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

so does the game have a walkthrough at all also i hope that this guide gets update and help everyone out

There is a hint system built into the game. It will tell you when and where to go.