Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Snugglepuff]

Well my arguements were mostly about the recent update.

Yes, that's obvious.
The problem with your argument is that is solely focused on this update and absolutely ignores the rest of the game outside of one aspect of the game...

Lol right. I'm not getting into this with you after this statement.

Yeah, this is that aspect of the game as a whole you weren't ignoring. Combined with how you addressed what I wrote, and deliberately left out the following part of contextual information I wrote, it really just shows that you're being entirely disingenuous.

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

 

[Hermit76]

REALISM... seriously? In THIS GAME?! Where the MC grows muscles and a huge dick within DAYS. where a young man has sex with his mother, his sisters, his aunt, his sister's friend, his mother's friend etc... etc... etc... and there's no disease or pregnancies... well, YET on the stupid pregnancies. Where some of his family would WANT a child via incest and nobody seems to have a problem with it?!

You almost sound like there is something wrong with it.

 

[Night Hacker]

You almost sound like there is something wrong with it.

LOL, nah, I love my fiction. It's funny, what I like in fiction, movies etc... doesn't even come close to matching what I am like in real life. I remember playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City back in the day, and getting a prostitute into my car, having sex with her which, realistically improved my health then when the car was done rocking, she got out, I got out... then I shot her and got my money back. Everyone wins that way! Mean while, when I was 15, in real life, I bought a pellet gun, and shot a bird and felt so guilty I gave the gun away! LOL.... people need to separate fiction from reality... ESPECIALLY with this game!

I LOVE the humour in this game, it made me laugh when I REALLY needed to laugh. Don't like it, don't play it. There's plenty more out there. Besides, dogs need love too!

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I LOVE the humour in this game, it made me laugh when I REALLY needed to laugh. Don't like it, don't play it. There's plenty more out there. Besides, dogs need love too!

Dude, you've really lost your mind! You can scare those people who haven’t watched bestiality porn, let it breathe a little!

 

[andy maxxx]

Yes, that's obvious.
The problem with your argument is that is solely focused on this update and absolutely ignores the rest of the game outside of one aspect of the game...



Yeah, this is that aspect of the game as a whole you weren't ignoring. Combined with how you addressed what I wrote, and deliberately left out the following part of contextual information I wrote, it really just shows that you're being entirely disingenuous.

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

Your statement about ntr enthusiasts getting barely any content is over exaggerating to the point that it’s funny. If we were in pre chap 9 I'd have agreed with you. I'm sure there’s a post where Dartred laid out all the stats. Yes you can say ntr content is less but calling it "barely any content" is ridiculous.
And I didn’t overlook anything, rather I'd say I even considered possible future what if contents. My personal dissatisfaction is with the Ophelia vanilla content this update. Besides that this update was pretty decent specially the Lucia night event.
And I can see you clearly don't want to understand my pov rather being hellbent on trying to prove me wrong with far fetched statements. If I continue to argue I'd just be repeating myself over and over again. So I'll just let you take the win and call me ignorant or whatever.

 

[DD69-1]

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

Nobody is dodging the facts here, but we are all aware that this game is funded majorly by NTR enthusiasts, it is made clear in the last 2 updates and what if's. what is being said here is that vanilla is being ignored and Ophelia was side tracked this update. Wherein, this is a vanilla game and towards the end. If you want to speak on the facts, then even you would not like the bad end events just cut to black and ended like Ophelia's night event with this update right ? For example both Kevin and Hunter's bad ends ended that way without any penetration with the main girls and just a screen was shown that it's all over.

Speaking of main girls, Brenna had one scene with Sterling this update that was a threesome with the Ophelia's same missionary position, the other scene for Brenna was interrupted by Ophelia was A SINGLE render, that's all. The main focus in this update was not Ophelia or main girls for the vanilla path but it included the side chicks.

But for NTR it's all about the main girls, since majority of the last updates, I know my facts are correct on this.
And do let me know if NTR fans don't riot when Hunter bangs the side chicks instead of the main girls, and also let me know if they won't riot when the bad end is completely skipped like Ophelia's night event for the vanilla fans, but obviously we will never know since the majority of these last hefty updates belonged to Hunter and Kevin taking the main cast.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Nobody is dodging the facts here, but we are all aware that this game is funded majorly NTR enthusiasts, it is made clear in the last 2 updates and what if's. what is being said here is that vanilla is being ignored and Ophelia was side tracked this update.

What are you defining as vanilla?
Ophelia definitely wasn't sidetracked in this update.

Remember, each chapter is made as a single part, and it's foolhardy to ignore their being parts of a the greater whole.

Brenna had one scene with Sterling this update that was a threesome with the Ophelia's same missionary position

That's redundant of you to say if you'd read my post.

the other scene for Brenna was interrupted by Ophelia was A SINGLE render, that's all.

Also redundant, for the same reason.

The main focus in this update was not Ophelia or main girls for the vanilla path but it included the side chicks.

No shit, Sherlock.
I'd swear I'd already commented on that... Oh wait, I did.

But for NTR it's all about the main girls, since majority of the last updates, I know my facts are correct on this.

I'm not contesting that.

And do let me know if NTR fans don't riot when Hunter bangs the side chicks instead of the main girls

No, because I couldn't give a flying fuck if they riot over anything, because I don't give a flying fuck about them in general.

 

[hellyeah3000]

I for one would like to see more of the Futa scenes from the game. Or even a continuation of Ophelia growing a dick in the alt ending series.. making it bigger than sterlings and hunters and doing a size comparison with them.

On another note, completed up to v11, downloaded 12 and won’t let me open any of my saves anyone know how to fix this without restarting - on Mac?

 

[PBS666]

I for one would like to see more of the Futa scenes from the game. Or even a continuation of Ophelia growing a dick in the alt ending series.. making it bigger than sterlings and hunters and doing a size comparison with them.

On another note, completed up to v11, downloaded 12 and won’t let me open any of my saves anyone know how to fix this without restarting - on Mac?

You have applied the patch in v12 correctly ?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

For those who were disappointed by the briefly glimpsed sex scenes, let me point out that showing more of those specific scenes would've broken the narrative flow.

When we see Ophelia with Sterling, the story is focused on Aliza and Mallory so we mainly see from their perspective. When we see Brenna with Sterling, the story is focused on Ophelia's suspicions and we see from her perspective. A quick shot to establish that characters are having sex is all that is needed to tell those parts of the story. It wouldn't make sense to shift perspectives just to extend a sex scene when it only exists for comedic effect or shock value.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

 

[xXwankerXx]

REALISM... seriously? In THIS GAME?!

Like I already said, this was the dev's excuse in a lot of scenarios where the MC should've gotten closer to the girls, and I also gave you an example that popped into my mind, Brenna's bullshit excuses to delay the part where they got to the fucking as much as possible, but there should be more, especially in Ophelia's storyline.

I'm perfectly aware that most of the situations in this story are beyond ridiculous and, sometimes, even funny asf, the humor tag speaks for itself on this topic, but by 'realism', I meant the possibility of having Rebecca, and the other LIs, stay dog dick-free, if I make the choice for her to stay away from that furry lil dickhead. No 'accidents' on farms excuse pulled out of the dev's ass or anything like that... nothing. Only those of us who really want to see this type of content, that was forced into the story without any warning whatsoever in advance, btw, should get this dialogue and this type of scenes, not all of us. That's what irked me about the last two updates.

I get where the dog isn't your thing, it isn't mine either, but then again, there's LOTS that I don't like; just go with the flow, tap that space bar/mouse button and quickly zip through the parts you hate.

and besides, who would deny that lovable mutt some action?! That's animal cruelty!!!

And what do you think I did lol ?? I admit I wanted to drop the game a few times after a few disappointing updates, but the funny plot and the women, all of them, especially Brenna, minus the trannies/futas, ofc, made me come back and keep playing it to see how things unfold. Also, who's a 'lovable' mutt ?? That crazy, furry motherfucker ?? Do we even talk about the same mutt here that almost bit the MC's dick off out of jealousy ??

I'm a big animal lover IRL, but I'd go all Jason Voorhees on this mutt and the damn cats from The Entrepreneur and BaDIK, and you can't convince me they deserve anything but a gruesome... correction, so sue me for hating these despicable fictional creatures and blame the devs of their respective games for that, cuz I really do lol.

By the way, kink shaming is against the rules, so be careful what you post.

I didn't kinkshame anyone, ffs, I only said all the bestiality stuff should be kept strictly for the players who make the choices and want to get this type of content, not for all of them, just bcz Sterling lost his last functional brain cells and ounce of manly pride, and I also explained that Rebecca getting her pussy eaten by that dumb dog and her interest in dog dick ARE NOT avoidable... it happens no matter which choices you make, and dumbass Sterling's ok with it, without the dev letting the player decide how they should react to what she told him. It's one of the few things I think the dev can and should do a lil better.

 

[DD69-1]

For those who were disappointed by the briefly glimpsed sex scenes, let me point out that showing more of those specific scenes would've broken the narrative flow.

When we see Ophelia with Sterling, the story is focused on Aliza and Mallory so we mainly see from their perspective. When we see Brenna with Sterling, the story is focused on Ophelia's suspicions and we see from her perspective. A quick shot to establish that characters are having sex is all that is needed to tell those parts of the story. It wouldn't make sense to shift perspectives just to extend a sex scene when it only exists for comedic effect or shock value.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

Sex scenes being skipped is not okay at least for some, that too for a character like Ophelia who just started having pussy sex with Sterling in mid chapter 11. I can understand if you said this for Brenna or Catherine.

Rushed events and still renders like these sure create a perfect narrative to at least say that yeah man, they're banging in the background, but that's the case they're banging in the background. The shock value and comedy element would have hit more harder if Ophelia's night event 63/64 was not skipped and hair-style bummed event for her as well.

You're just asking to accept that yeah, they're having sex but not actually showing it, leaving everything to imagination, wonder if you put those arguments for bad ends as well, if they were skipped.

Also looking at how Sterling's character in the next update will more likely go in handling Ophelia's psyche about Anabelle's return and Catherine's pregnancy, so when these events are happening then you will say yeah man as per story it's understandable that Ophelia needs time so she's not banging sterling in this one, because she needs emotional support. Wherein in the next chapter's bad end, a complete 360 will be witnessed.

Please do not force your opinion on others, I'm only saying this because of this statement of yours.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

 

[damias]

you know... the only time i really liked hunter was how he got rid of erick...

 

[lipe2410]

Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

After 11 chapters (and years) of slowburn between Ophelia-Sterling and with just one more chapter left to close the game according to WWG, this is far from be ok. Actually, it seems like a middle finger to everyone who wait so much for Ophelia/Sterling just to get the short end of the stick. Which is absurd and the major flaw of this game at the end. She is a main girl, she is in the front banner and will end up with less solo sex scenes with Sterling (and i'm talk about real sex, p in v not this bullshit of teasing and "insert a name-job") than even side characters.

It'll be ok if this game will be far from be finished and will have many chapters yet to be released to flesh out Ophelia/Sterling relationship. But that's not the case. WWG took 11 fucking chapters to finally make Sterling and Ophelia fuck and now will end the game by chapter 13. This simply the worst type of slowburn game. A long slowburn needs a long and goof payoff to make worth it. Just read that Ophelia and Sterling are having tons of sex is not even close to it. It's trash. I, and i believe many others, don't wanna simply read they are having sex. We wanna see they having sex because it took EXTREMELY TOO LONG to they finally going all the way. That's why we play 11 fucking chapters of slowburn, build-up and sometimes blueballing: to see them have sex, not just read they are having sex.

And don't come with the usual cliche defense of "but if they have to much sex scenes it'll be boring". This is bullshit and far from reality. Ask to any Kevin fan if they wouldn't like 10/20/30 more scenes like the Kevin/Ophelia bad end. Ask to any Hunter if they ever get tired or bored to see Hunter fuck the main girls over and over again in the bad ends/what ifs. I'm 100% sure they will answer with a straight "no" and even wish more scenes. That's the same thing here: no one will complaint for more Ophelia/Sterling scenes, no one will ever get tired to see them fucking each oters brains out because that's what we want to see since the first chapter of the game.

I really like this game, it's one of my favourites here. I never say anything negative about PV before, not even about the ntr content that i don't like it so i just avoid it. But WWG really drop the ball with the Sterling/Ophelia relationship. I don't know how with just one chapter left he will be able to compensate the serious lacking of Sterling/Ophelia solo sex scenes.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Sex scenes being skipped is not okay at least for some, that too for a character like Ophelia who just started having pussy sex with Sterling in mid chapter 11. I can understand if you said this for Brenna or Catherine.

Rushed events and still renders like these sure create a perfect narrative to at least say that yeah man, they're banging in the background, but that's the case they're banging in the background. The shock value and comedy element would have hit more harder if Ophelia's night event 63/64 was not skipped and hair-style bummed event for her as well.

You're just asking to accept that yeah, they're having sex but not actually showing it, leaving everything to imagination, wonder if you put those arguments for bad ends as well, if they were skipped.

Also looking at how Sterling's character in the next update will more likely go in handling Ophelia's psyche about Anabelle's return and Catherine's pregnancy, so when these events are happening then you will say yeah man as per story it's understandable that Ophelia needs time so she's not banging sterling in this one, because she needs emotional support. Wherein in the next chapter's bad end, a complete 360 will be witnessed.

Please do not force your opinion on others, I'm only saying this because of this statement of yours.

I thought we made peace about Ophelia and Sterling needing at least one more sex scene? That's not what I'm talking about now. I'm specifically addressing the criticisms of the Sterling-Ophelia-texting scene and the Sterling-Brenna-caught scene.

These scenes did not need to be longer. They were meant to be funny, not titillating. Expanding them into full-blown scenes would've derailed the larger plots they were a part of, or been super annoying as the perspective would switch back and forth between simultaneous events.

Imagine how frustrating it would be trying to fuck Ophelia, while the game is cutting back to Aliza and Mallory. Or fucking Brenna while the game is cutting to Ophelia snooping. It would be a disjointed mess from a storytelling point of view, and ironically people would complain about it.

Don't get me wrong , I am all for as many sex scenes as we can get. I just think complaints about those specific scenes are missing the big picture.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

After 11 chapters (and years) of slowburn between Ophelia-Sterling and with just one more chapter left to close the game according to WWG, this is far from be ok. Actually, it seems like a middle finger to everyone who wait so much for Ophelia/Sterling just to get the short end of the stick. Which is absurd and the major flaw of this game at the end. She is a main girl, she is in the front banner and will end up with less solo sex scenes with Sterling (and i'm talk about real sex, p in v not this bullshit of teasing and "insert a name-job") than even side characters.

It'll be ok if this game will be far from be finished and will have many chapters yet to be released to flesh out Ophelia/Sterling relationship. But that's not the case. WWG took 11 fucking chapters to finally make Sterling and Ophelia fuck and now will end the game by chapter 13. This simply the worst type of slowburn game. A long slowburn needs a long and goof payoff to make worth it. Just read that Ophelia and Sterling are having tons of sex is not even close to it. It's trash. I, and i believe many others, don't wanna simply read they are having sex. We wanna see they having sex because it took EXTREMELY TOO LONG to they finally going all the way. That's why we play 11 fucking chapters of slowburn, build-up and sometimes blueballing: to see them have sex, not just read they are having sex.

And don't come with the usual cliche defense of "but if they have to much sex scenes it'll be boring". This is bullshit and far from reality. Ask to any Kevin fan if they wouldn't like 10/20/30 more scenes like the Kevin/Ophelia bad end. Ask to any Hunter if they ever get tired or bored to see Hunter fuck the main girls over and over again in the bad ends/what ifs. I'm 100% sure they will answer with a straight "no" and even wish more scenes. That's the same thing here: no one will complaint for more Ophelia/Sterling scenes, no one will ever get tired to see them fucking each oters brains out because that's what we want to see since the first chapter of the game.

I really like this game, it's one of my favourites here. I never say anything negative about PV before, not even about the ntr content that i don't like it so i just avoid it. But WWG really drop the ball with the Sterling/Ophelia relationship. I don't know how with just one chapter left he will be able to compensate the serious lacking of Sterling/Ophelia solo sex scenes.

I get what you're saying. Ophelia's my favorite. But you have to remember, as the mom, she was always gonna be a holdout for sex, it's how these games work. As I've said plenty of times now, of course I want more scenes with her. But PV is a visual novel, not a sex simulator. The scenes we get should have a purpose in the story, it's basic rules of writing. You make too many "pointless" sex scenes and the story slows down, the development slows down, etc. It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

EDIT:

Consider games like Away From Home or My Pleasure. They have plenty of sexy times, but they lost the plot long ago (if they ever had any). They're good for a fap and nothing else. I think PV is far superior, because of the story and comedy.

 

[Snugglepuff]

It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

It's more that they don't care as opposed to don't understand.
If it's not what they want, then the dev must do more of what they want or else it's bad... Regardless of whether or not it'd fuck-up the story, because they only care about story insofar as it pertains to catering to their fantasy of dicking their digital waifus.

Or in the case of the pro-netorare crowd, <insert whatever male antagonist in porn game> dicking any and all women in progressively more obscene and plot confusing ways, because that's the fantasy they need to get off.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Guys, let's live together and not argue, honestly, it's been the same thing for the third day... I myself am a big fan of Sterling/Ophelia and their hot scenes, and before the new update came out, deep down I knew that for Ophelia and Sterling scenes will be few and it was noticeable from the teasers... I still believe that WWG will prepare a very good and full-fledged scene with all the characters in the next update, no matter how stupid it may sound...

if Dev decided to make a bigger scene with Ophelia and Sterling in this update in the night shift, at some point in the future we might not expect this... Let's not quarrel, because the game, as we know, is coming to an end, so we need to enjoy it together while we have the opportunity))) Each of us is missing something, nothing can be done about it.

 

[lipe2410]

I get what you're saying. Ophelia's my favorite. But you have to remember, as the mom, she was always gonna be a holdout for sex, it's how these games work. As I've said plenty of times now, of course I want more scenes with her. But PV is a visual novel, not a sex simulator. The scenes we get should have a purpose in the story, it's basic rules of writing. You make too many "pointless" sex scenes and the story slows down, the development slows down, etc. It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

EDIT:

Consider games like Away From Home or My Pleasure. They have plenty of sexy times, but they lost the plot long ago (if they ever had any). They're good for a fap and nothing else. I think PV is far superior, because of the story and comedy.

With all due respect man, but this is also bullshit. In Shut Up and Dance the mom character it's not just the one with most scenes but she also can be fucked already in ep. 2. This mom character = few sex scens is just another cheap, lazy and outdated trope. We are in 2024, devs can and should do batter than that.
And about the scenes not being pointless sex, what about make events by Ophelia's POV where she and Sterling having "tons of sex everyday" as they say is actually showed and they have to sneak around the house to be able to fuck without get caught by others? We could get 3-4 or so on scenes of them fucking around the house in different rooms (sterling's bedroom, kitchen, living room, pool, dinner room and so on, could be even fit to show them experimenting things as they talked about it) and scene after scene is showed they are closer and closer to get caught by someone - until it finally happens as happened in the chapter. Seriously something like this will be pointless? because many events of the game are build this way. But no, let's just say they are having tons of sex everyday because sure this is what players want after so much slowburn for 11 chapters. Why bother make a good payoff with a good amout of sex, right?

 

[frozenfeet]

What happened to Rebecca did someone trip and drop a hedge trimmer on her hair?