Snugglepuff

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That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?
Simple...
You're not echoing his words back at him therefore you're fair game for disingenuous gaslighting. All while never letting go of the very existence of netorare in this game, which means he must mention its existence and give an indication of how little it appeals to him.
 
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DD69-1

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I think we're talking past each other? I haven't been mentioning the NTR scenes because we were talking about couplings vs threesomes in the main story, not about vanilla vs NTR. The NTR scenes are not part of the main story, so everything I've been saying about story pacing doesn't apply to them. That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?
Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all
 

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Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all
To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.
 

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This is a Warning:

If you don't want to see Lucia being murdered by Hunter do not pick the final NTR route in chapter 12. Lucia is crying and Hunter literally shoots Lucia in the head and it shows blood flying from her head as she dies. And Hunter makes fun of her hair as she dies. Don't choose "Take all three out at once." option that is the bad ending.

What? Why? Games
This is just total crap writing if I had known that was going to be there I wouldn't have even looked at that route. Thanks for the no warning about gratuitous violence and murder dev it really SUCKED. :poop:
 
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DD69-1

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To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.
We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point. That's all.

Hopefully next game a more autistic mc is there lol compared to Sterling so you can defend that as well
 
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Leongen43

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I don't understand why they are bothered by the NTR scenes, they are hot and fun, for those who don't like those scenes, the developer might hug them with love and say "don't worry, my dear baby, they aren't canon, go back to sleep and have nice dreams", If he does that you would be better off and not be bothered by the ntr scenes? :unsure: :geek::LOL::ROFLMAO:
 

PBS666

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I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?
As Snugglepuff says, it's repeatedly mentioned in the OP that the patch is necessary. Without it, the game is hardly playable.

To install, you have to merge the content of the patch with the game folder. To get to the game folder on the Mac version, right click the app (an app on Mac is nothing but a folder masquerading as a file) , pick Show package contents and navigate down to Contents/Resourses/autorun.
Take note that the content of the patch needs to be added to the Game folder and its sub-folders. So the RPYs go into game, the webms go into game/ani and the pngs go into game/ani/images/V11 and V12 respectively.
If you have already deleted the archive, I'd recommend to make a duplicate of the game app first before you go altering the contents.
 
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I really liked this game, so I decided to make this guide based on the variables found in the game scripts.

Guide edition:
The game itself has a system that tells you what objective has been met, however with my guide I seek to help people identify what actions you must complete to execute certain variables and continue with the story.
Initially, I named the file "Walkthrough", however, it was my mistake to call it that, because with this I was not trying to tell the community how to play but to help them identify the variables and in which scripts to get them.
Sorry if that seems complex to some people, but that's my way of breaking down the game.

Updated on 08/15/2020 03:00 EST
Tutorial V0.6
so does the game have a walkthrough at all also i hope that this guide gets update and help everyone out
 

Roon

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There's a bunch of stuff that annoys me about the game, although overall I think it's worth playing and I appreciate the Fans Of This Game(tm) will ignore any criticism and deflect, it's whatever. My opinion if you're interested:

The dev blatantly didn't plan out the characters arcs (in terms of how many chapters until X), because it's an enormous, drawling slow burn for multiple chapters, the plot only really picks up from the point where Sterling reads his dad's diary (which is an exposition dump about 3 characters we don't really know at that point) and then accelerates to warp speed by the end. I completely agree with the guy saying he needed to put more "day to day" scenes in, not just keep the plot moving faster and faster as, frankly, he can't keep up with the pace.

It's a rush job at the end-game, he's trying to do way too much in too short a time frame. Despite waiting a year for an update, and with such a big update, everything feels like it needs more time to breathe. I'll cover the character arcs/flops now:

- Catherine is a complete waste of potential. You had... wait for it... a redhead teenage girl. Great start. But wait! She's an insane cartoon character bouncing off the walls. She's comic relief. She's such comic relief that she can't actually star in a proper sex scene. The sex Olympics was silly/funny, not sexy. She's too much, it spoils the vibe. He needs to seriously reign this dumb behaviour in and make her act like a real person for five seconds, or re-write previous content, so it can get to the point she's a desirable character who can do porn not nonsense.

- Ophelia is great as always but we have no time with her. This sucks. For the love of God put more "mom and son sneak around the house fucking" scenes, why wouldn't you do this, why would you immediately get bored with this after years of buildup? Such a shame.

- Suddenly we have a mass orgy with the Asian family (and hilariously the writer needs to bring in the 3rd sister who we haven't even seen up until now because fuck it, we're ending this arc now dammit). It was ok. Again, rushed, a shame.

- Drew is a fairly pointless character. He's not a proper antagonist like Hunter (seriously, what impact has Drew had on the household? He literally sits in his room screwing the redhead). He appears to be an insert for gay/trap/futa lovers. That's it. You could get rid of all of that and it wouldn't really matter to the story. In retrospect the whole Keira/Nora/Drew/Lucia stuff is just... padding. I would have preferred some scenes where Drew actually tries to make a move on the girls, or Sterling, or something. Is Sterling going to fuck Drew? Probably not I guess.

- The scene between Brenna and what's-her-name, the psycho redhead was really jarring. It literally came out of nowhere that "girl that Drew is fucking" becomes "super psycho villain" and is... what... anally raped by Brenna... with a strap-on... then leaves and never returns. This is... such a weird scene. It might have worked better with some sort of build-up or context with, I don't know, Sterling sleeping with her, or seeing her getting to first base with Catherine.

- Keira/Nora becoming turbo-sluts in the space of a week. It's ridiculous. It doesn't even work in the context of "muh drugs" - one minute they're having incest threesomes with Hunter, then it's 15 years in isolation in Canada, then they're normal around Sterling, then they have no interest in Drew or Hunter, but immediately go to orgies with Sterling, then reveal they've been 69-ing in their Nunavit log cabin for the last decade. Ok. I wish he'd taken one chapter to introduce them and have some build-up or tension, maybe have them tempted back into slut-dom by Hunter/Drew, then a chapter where Sterling wins them over, then a final chapter to wrap it all up.

- The dog stuff is hilarious and can stay, I don't find it hot but whatever.

- The Flora / Ophelia stuff is hot. Anything with Flora and Tefnut is great. More of this please.


In closing I think a post-game patch / mod that would improve this a lot would be to allow the player to visit the different characters over the course of the day and (depending on the chapter) view general non-plot scenes with them. Why can't we simply go to Brenna's room and have the choice of sex scenes with her? Why not have a bunch of options with Ophelia? It would just be simple shots/animations and some sex dialogue to fap to. It would be a lot easier to produce than a What If or a new chapter, but would really flesh out the gameplay more and give more to work with, not lock everything into plot scene plot scene plot scene end.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll all hate this but wanted to throw it out there. There's an awful lot good about this game, it's a great game, that's what motivates me to write a critique. It's fixable - WWG if you read this just pause on writing chapter 13 buddy and flesh out what you already have with the optional scenes. And take your time with closing off the main plot. If we can wait six episodes to get to the point of an Ophelia blowjob we can enjoy another couple chapters with some general sex scenes, outfit changes, going on a date or alternate location, etc.
 

Only1P

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There's a bunch of stuff that annoys me about the game, although overall I think it's worth playing and I appreciate the Fans Of This Game(tm) will ignore any criticism and deflect, it's whatever. My opinion if you're interested:

The dev blatantly didn't plan out the characters arcs (in terms of how many chapters until X), because it's an enormous, drawling slow burn for multiple chapters, the plot only really picks up from the point where Sterling reads his dad's diary (which is an exposition dump about 3 characters we don't really know at that point) and then accelerates to warp speed by the end. I completely agree with the guy saying he needed to put more "day to day" scenes in, not just keep the plot moving faster and faster as, frankly, he can't keep up with the pace.

It's a rush job at the end-game, he's trying to do way too much in too short a time frame. Despite waiting a year for an update, and with such a big update, everything feels like it needs more time to breathe. I'll cover the character arcs/flops now:

- Catherine is a complete waste of potential. You had... wait for it... a redhead teenage girl. Great start. But wait! She's an insane cartoon character bouncing off the walls. She's comic relief. She's such comic relief that she can't actually star in a proper sex scene. The sex Olympics was silly/funny, not sexy. She's too much, it spoils the vibe. He needs to seriously reign this dumb behaviour in and make her act like a real person for five seconds, or re-write previous content, so it can get to the point she's a desirable character who can do porn not nonsense.

- Ophelia is great as always but we have no time with her. This sucks. For the love of God put more "mom and son sneak around the house fucking" scenes, why wouldn't you do this, why would you immediately get bored with this after years of buildup? Such a shame.

- Suddenly we have a mass orgy with the Asian family (and hilariously the writer needs to bring in the 3rd sister who we haven't even seen up until now because fuck it, we're ending this arc now dammit). It was ok. Again, rushed, a shame.

- Drew is a fairly pointless character. He's not a proper antagonist like Hunter (seriously, what impact has Drew had on the household? He literally sits in his room screwing the redhead). He appears to be an insert for gay/trap/futa lovers. That's it. You could get rid of all of that and it wouldn't really matter to the story. In retrospect the whole Keira/Nora/Drew/Lucia stuff is just... padding. I would have preferred some scenes where Drew actually tries to make a move on the girls, or Sterling, or something. Is Sterling going to fuck Drew? Probably not I guess.

- The scene between Brenna and what's-her-name, the psycho redhead was really jarring. It literally came out of nowhere that "girl that Drew is fucking" becomes "super psycho villain" and is... what... anally raped by Brenna... with a strap-on... then leaves and never returns. This is... such a weird scene. It might have worked better with some sort of build-up or context with, I don't know, Sterling sleeping with her, or seeing her getting to first base with Catherine.

- Keira/Nora becoming turbo-sluts in the space of a week. It's ridiculous. It doesn't even work in the context of "muh drugs" - one minute they're having incest threesomes with Hunter, then it's 15 years in isolation in Canada, then they're normal around Sterling, then they have no interest in Drew or Hunter, but immediately go to orgies with Sterling, then reveal they've been 69-ing in their Nunavit log cabin for the last decade. Ok. I wish he'd taken one chapter to introduce them and have some build-up or tension, maybe have them tempted back into slut-dom by Hunter/Drew, then a chapter where Sterling wins them over, then a final chapter to wrap it all up.

- The dog stuff is hilarious and can stay, I don't find it hot but whatever.

- The Flora / Ophelia stuff is hot. Anything with Flora and Tefnut is great. More of this please.


In closing I think a post-game patch / mod that would improve this a lot would be to allow the player to visit the different characters over the course of the day and (depending on the chapter) view general non-plot scenes with them. Why can't we simply go to Brenna's room and have the choice of sex scenes with her? Why not have a bunch of options with Ophelia? It would just be simple shots/animations and some sex dialogue to fap to. It would be a lot easier to produce than a What If or a new chapter, but would really flesh out the gameplay more and give more to work with, not lock everything into plot scene plot scene plot scene end.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll all hate this but wanted to throw it out there. There's an awful lot good about this game, it's a great game, that's what motivates me to write a critique. It's fixable - WWG if you read this just pause on writing chapter 13 buddy and flesh out what you already have with the optional scenes. And take your time with closing off the main plot. If we can wait six episodes to get to the point of an Ophelia blowjob we can enjoy another couple chapters with some general sex scenes, outfit changes, going on a date or alternate location, etc.
I agree with this, in Ch12 I truly felt overwhelmed by the pacing, It felt like it was escalating floor by floor linearly to just end up skipping 5 floors in Ch12, It's hot, but it doesnt really make sense, the one on one scenes with Ophelia were crucially lacking leaping into crazy threesomes while skipping any attempt on escalation which was present throughout all previous chapters, and Catherine was skipped on altogether, Keira and Nora was hot but the dynamic was weird and really rushed, Boner Olympics felt like it shouldve been more but was stopped before a threesome, basically every second sex scene was the exact same missionary position animation sequence and the family's reaction to Hunter's confession at the end was really...... dull (for a lack of a better word), yeah it was fine but it couldve been so much more...
 

umbongoxxz

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I really liked this one in the first few chapters but then it derailed so fast. I might be the only one but man those anime face exaggerations during intercourse are so awful and look so out of place. Playing through this I started to lose interest around chapter 9-10 maybe even earlier. Don't get me started on that old guy but at least he has some "comedic" effect with his dick but it's not a pretty sight however. One thing though the grandma introduced later was pretty nice but again, I hate those face expressions so much that it ruins everything.

There is another thing I recognize a lot of these models from other games. These vn creators, what kind of program/tools are they using because you often see same scenery, models etc across a lot of them(unless they're 2d graphics). Might be time to make my own vn which would be completely unhinged.
 

Fayn Arawn

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There's a bunch of stuff that annoys me about the game, although overall I think it's worth playing and I appreciate the Fans Of This Game(tm) will ignore any criticism and deflect, it's whatever. My opinion if you're interested:

The dev blatantly didn't plan out the characters arcs (in terms of how many chapters until X), because it's an enormous, drawling slow burn for multiple chapters, the plot only really picks up from the point where Sterling reads his dad's diary (which is an exposition dump about 3 characters we don't really know at that point) and then accelerates to warp speed by the end. I completely agree with the guy saying he needed to put more "day to day" scenes in, not just keep the plot moving faster and faster as, frankly, he can't keep up with the pace.

It's a rush job at the end-game, he's trying to do way too much in too short a time frame. Despite waiting a year for an update, and with such a big update, everything feels like it needs more time to breathe. I'll cover the character arcs/flops now:
I'm sure the dev had a framework he was following, but over the course of years I'd expect him to have new ideas and make some changes. Isn't that par for the course when releasing a project like this in increments (compared to revising drafts of a novel and only releasing the final version)?

I do agree that things are moving very fast these past few chapters. It seems that with each new chapter the dev is trying to outdo the one before (like each time Hugh Jackman gets in shape to play Wolverine). Add in the plot about the main character basically becoming a sex god and the endgame was bound to get crazy.

But I agree, a slightly slower pace probably would've been better for this chapter. I wonder if the dev is trying to wrap the story up sooner so he can move onto another project?

- Catherine is a complete waste of potential. You had... wait for it... a redhead teenage girl. Great start. But wait! She's an insane cartoon character bouncing off the walls. She's comic relief. She's such comic relief that she can't actually star in a proper sex scene. The sex Olympics was silly/funny, not sexy. She's too much, it spoils the vibe. He needs to seriously reign this dumb behaviour in and make her act like a real person for five seconds, or re-write previous content, so it can get to the point she's a desirable character who can do porn not nonsense.
I'll admit that I don't find Catherine particularly sexy, and yet I like her character because of the silliness. There's more than enough other sexy characters, having one be a dingbat doesn't feel like a waste to me, it's variety.

- Ophelia is great as always but we have no time with her. This sucks. For the love of God put more "mom and son sneak around the house fucking" scenes, why wouldn't you do this, why would you immediately get bored with this after years of buildup? Such a shame.
Assuming you mean "alone time", and I agree. It was pretty shocking how fast everyone found out about Ophelia and Sterling, although many characters already knew before this chapter (Lucia, Aliza, Kumiko, Catherine, Hunter, Drew, probably Mallory). I guess Brenna was the main one that still didn't know? Regardless, Ophelia didn't know that so many people knew, so Sterling could've played along with hiding a bit longer.

- Suddenly we have a mass orgy with the Asian family (and hilariously the writer needs to bring in the 3rd sister who we haven't even seen up until now because fuck it, we're ending this arc now dammit). It was ok. Again, rushed, a shame.
I saw this more as a testament to Sterling approaching his sex god final form. The fact that he could have sex with women he barely just met is part of the fantasy. They don't all need long subplots of getting to know them.

- Drew is a fairly pointless character. He's not a proper antagonist like Hunter (seriously, what impact has Drew had on the household? He literally sits in his room screwing the redhead). He appears to be an insert for gay/trap/futa lovers. That's it. You could get rid of all of that and it wouldn't really matter to the story. In retrospect the whole Keira/Nora/Drew/Lucia stuff is just... padding. I would have preferred some scenes where Drew actually tries to make a move on the girls, or Sterling, or something. Is Sterling going to fuck Drew? Probably not I guess.
It's possible Drew isn't really an antagonist at all but she is important to the story. We still have to find out about David's supposed affair (and death). A character can still be important even without a ton of scenes (e.g. Colonel Jessup from A Few Good Men). I'm not a fan of futa and yet I find myself liking Drew (as a character) more each chapter.

- The scene between Brenna and what's-her-name, the psycho redhead was really jarring. It literally came out of nowhere that "girl that Drew is fucking" becomes "super psycho villain" and is... what... anally raped by Brenna... with a strap-on... then leaves and never returns. This is... such a weird scene. It might have worked better with some sort of build-up or context with, I don't know, Sterling sleeping with her, or seeing her getting to first base with Catherine.
I agree, I thought for sure Sterling was going to fuck Eileen. He might not have done it as part of Brenna's revenge, not after what she pulled with the hotel girl, but they were clearly down to fuck. Quite a surprise to get rid of her so fast.

- Keira/Nora becoming turbo-sluts in the space of a week. It's ridiculous. It doesn't even work in the context of "muh drugs" - one minute they're having incest threesomes with Hunter, then it's 15 years in isolation in Canada, then they're normal around Sterling, then they have no interest in Drew or Hunter, but immediately go to orgies with Sterling, then reveal they've been 69-ing in their Nunavit log cabin for the last decade. Ok. I wish he'd taken one chapter to introduce them and have some build-up or tension, maybe have them tempted back into slut-dom by Hunter/Drew, then a chapter where Sterling wins them over, then a final chapter to wrap it all up.
I should point out that Keira and Nora were getting railed by Drew for 6 years, and also by Hunter for the last 2 of those years. They're cock addicts and Sterling caused them to relapse. That said, I thought there would be a little more of a chase before Sterling got to bang them. I have suspicions that there's more to their story than we currently know, however.

- The dog stuff is hilarious and can stay, I don't find it hot but whatever.

- The Flora / Ophelia stuff is hot. Anything with Flora and Tefnut is great. More of this please.
I'm not a dog person either.

I like Tiff well enough, but I'm a big fan of Flora and I've enjoyed all the scenes involving her.

In closing I think a post-game patch / mod that would improve this a lot would be to allow the player to visit the different characters over the course of the day and (depending on the chapter) view general non-plot scenes with them. Why can't we simply go to Brenna's room and have the choice of sex scenes with her? Why not have a bunch of options with Ophelia? It would just be simple shots/animations and some sex dialogue to fap to. It would be a lot easier to produce than a What If or a new chapter, but would really flesh out the gameplay more and give more to work with, not lock everything into plot scene plot scene plot scene end.
Those are fun ideas.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll all hate this but wanted to throw it out there. There's an awful lot good about this game, it's a great game, that's what motivates me to write a critique. It's fixable - WWG if you read this just pause on writing chapter 13 buddy and flesh out what you already have with the optional scenes. And take your time with closing off the main plot. If we can wait six episodes to get to the point of an Ophelia blowjob we can enjoy another couple chapters with some general sex scenes, outfit changes, going on a date or alternate location, etc.
Also fun ideas.
 
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In closing I think a post-game patch / mod that would improve this a lot would be to allow the player to visit the different characters over the course of the day and (depending on the chapter) view general non-plot scenes with them. Why can't we simply go to Brenna's room and have the choice of sex scenes with her? Why not have a bunch of options with Ophelia? It would just be simple shots/animations and some sex dialogue to fap to. It would be a lot easier to produce than a What If or a new chapter, but would really flesh out the gameplay more and give more to work with, not lock everything into plot scene plot scene plot scene end
I agree dev could add some post game replayable sex scenes around the house. There were some repeatable scenes with Eva too as far I remember. This could make the sandbox system worth more than just for triggering events.
 

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Some points that were on my mind
1) Why is ntr so popular : the reason why ntr is so popular in this game imo has something to do with how these scenes are written in comparison with the vanilla ones. The ntr scenes are all about passion with the guy/dog getting a prize he's been pursuong for a long time and the girl getting more pleasure than Sterling ever gave them and asking for more (ouch). Meanwhile the vanilla scenes half of the time are about comedy and the characters sharing spirited remarks. There are exceptions and these are amazing scenes (brenna and sterling's first time vaginal, a lot of scenes with ophelia, aliza and others) but the ntr ones are consistently more intense so they are easier to enjoy imo.

2) what is wrong with the way ntr is done.
NTR is supposed to hurt. Its part of the kink. At the same time there is something unfair central to the game about knowing that Sterling is the worst male at sex that the girls can have access to in this game. They only stay with sterling because he stops them from trying out the other options. Proof is, all the bad ends lead to the girls falling in love more intensely than they ever did with sterling the minute they get fucked and dropping sterling completly (ophelia's scene with kevin is the epytome of that). I don't buy the "Sterling is better in the end because he doesn't need drugs" because he does. None of his progress (except with eva) would have been possible if not for hunter making the women horny all the time and then leaving them alone next to sterling. Lots of scaling up scenes of sterling (if not all of them from like chapter 7 onwards) happen either thanks to the wine or the ventilation drug. Even sterling's physique is thanks to hunter's hormones. And when he does have sex, well sterling isn't as good as either hunter, drew, kevin and god emperor cerberus. So for me at the center of the game is the reality that the MC really is only holding on thanks to luck and that the girls aren't really making a choice by staying with him as they don't have other options.

I say all of this while being an ntr enjoyer and long time fan of this game but for me these are real points that maybe would need improvement
 
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