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SuddenReal

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Yeah unfortunately it's entirely possible (if Annabelle had the same tendencies as Hunter and Nora). Both of them had apparently been having relations with Drew and Keira since they were around 13, so it would've been happening while Annabelle was still alive it seems. Unless I've got some wires crossed.
You do. Nora and Hunter didn't know each other, so Drew and Keira weren't involved with each other since they only met after David got into a relation with Ophelia, at which point, I believe, Annabella had already passed away.
 

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You do. Nora and Hunter didn't know each other, so Drew and Keira weren't involved with each other since they only met after David got into a relation with Ophelia, at which point, I believe, Annabella had already passed away.
Resident lore expert Fayn Arawn would disagree:

We know Ophelia was born in 1983 (making her 36 when PV takes place in 2019). We know Ophelia and Aliza practiced kissing when they were 13 & 12 (respectively), so Aliza is around 35. I therefore assume Drew is the youngest of their family and probably 34. (I suppose it's possible Drew was born 2nd but that's a very narrow window.)

So then let's say Drew is 34, that means she was born around 1985. Drew started fucking Keira and Nora in 1998 at around age 13. This would echo with Hunter also being taught about the Dio Del Sesso legacy at age 13 by his father.

Keira and Nora then moved in with Hunter, Annabelle, & Drew in 1999 when Drew was around 14, and Drew/Keira/Nora were having sex until Hunter joined in 2002 (when Drew was around 17)
So there's about a three year period where they were all living together before Annabelle died. That is of course if the guesses we're making are accurate and that WWG has put this much thought into the timeline of things.

I still can't for the life of me understand why Nora and Keira would've shacked up with Hunter. We know he was already heavily scarred/disfigured by that point. I wonder if he was using chemical means back then too?
 

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You do. Nora and Hunter didn't know each other, so Drew and Keira weren't involved with each other since they only met after David got into a relation with Ophelia, at which point, I believe, Annabella had already passed away.
It is true that Nora/Keira (David's family) didn't meet Hunter/Drew (Ophelia's family) until after David/Ophelia hooked up, but Annabelle was still alive at that point. David/Ophelia had Brenna in 1998 which lead to David/Ophelia/Aliza getting a place together. Nora/Keira started having sex with Drew that year (1998), and moved in with Hunter/Annabelle/Drew the following year (1999). Annabelle wouldn't pass away for 3 more years (2002), after which Hunter was "on the market" (so to speak) and joined Drew in having sex with Nora/Keira.

Getting back to the speculation, I'll admit I'm not sure of David's age and have been guessing that he's the same age as Ophelia. This would mean David was a mere 15 when he bought a home, which is surprising but keep in mind that Hunter cosigned the loan and was giving David financial advice.

As for new Annabelle, while I personally doubt David or Drew are her father, either are technically possible based on the timeline. If original Annabelle is her birth mother, then she's at least 17 years old in the game's present (2019), which would seem to fit with the her youthful air when we meet her in chapter 12. If David or Drew are her father, she wouldn't have been conceived earlier than 1998 when David met Annabelle and when Drew became sexually active, making new Annabelle 21 at the oldest.

I still can't for the life of me understand why Nora and Keira would've shacked up with Hunter. We know he was already heavily scarred/disfigured by that point. I wonder if he was using chemical means back then too?
Keep in mind Hunter presumably had other seduction skills besides the chemicals, and if Hunter was using chemicals on them, Nora and Keira never seemed to figure it out. I guess what happened was after 3 years of getting fucked by Drew, they were so addicted to sex that they would have been more receptive to Hunter? :unsure:
 
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Is there a way to disable the bottom left portrait during dialogues?
I think someone made a mod recently for that, if you want to make it more difficult to follow who's talking when they're off-screen, or to tell their tone from the changing expressions in the portraits.
 

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We shouldn't be too sure about what we really know about the past. One source is the letter or diary or so from the MC's father's legacy (David?) and one is Hunter. Both have reasons not to be entirely truthful about their past. So there ist still room for some speculations...;)
 
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We shouldn't be too sure about what we really know about the past. One source is the letter or diary or so from the MC's father's legacy (David?) and one is Hunter. Both have reasons not to be entirely truthful about their past. So there ist still room for some speculations...;)
Well, not entirely true. Nora admitted to having sex with both David and Drew, which is a bit surprising considering how young they were at the time (possibly as young as 12 in David's case). If anything you'd think she'd deny that. Nora and Keira also didn't deny it when Hunter mentioned fucking both of them on the regular. And of course we know that Keira and Drew had Lucia together. So really the only thing we're speculating about is specific dates and whether Annabelle was involved in all the shagging. I suppose the question of David & Drew having a tryst might also be uncertain given it was in David's journal. I'm surprised the MC hasn't talked with Drew about it, but then again it's not like they've really had any meaningful interactions since she showed up. Perhaps that will come next episode now that more stuff is out in the open among the family.
 
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Well, not entirely true. Nora admitted to having sex with both David and Drew, which is a bit surprising considering how young they were at the time (possibly as young as 12 in David's case). If anything you'd think she'd deny that. Nora and Keira also didn't deny it when Hunter mentioned fucking both of them on the regular. And of course we know that Keira and Drew had Lucia together. So really the only thing we're speculating about is specific dates and whether Annabelle was involved in all the shagging. I suppose the question of David & Drew having a tryst might also be uncertain given it was in David's journal. I'm surprised the MC hasn't talked with Drew about it, but then again it's not like they've really had any meaningful interactions since she showed up. Perhaps that will come next episode now that more stuff is out in the open among the family.
Yes, as you say, many facts have been corroborated by multiple characters, or at least not refuted when given the opportunity. There are still a few things where Hermit76's point (i.e. the "unreliable narrator" concept) may apply, primarily around David's affair and even his death. I'm still skeptical about both until we get more information/proof. And of course now we have new Annabelle, whom no one (left) in the house knew about, so many things could be possible regarding her.
 
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Do you think it's possible now that the girls know about Hunter's business they will take over? I mean if they will continue having sex for the viewers and keeping that money
 

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Do you think it's possible now that the girls know about Hunter's business they will take over?
Of course not. First of all, they were very freaked out about it, and second of all, they'd need to disconnect all camera's and replace them. After all, that account they're broadcasting on is tied to Hunter's (unknown) bank account. They wouldn't get any money from it at all.
 

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Do you think it's possible now that the girls know about Hunter's business they will take over? I mean if they will continue having sex for the viewers and keeping that money
Of course not. First of all, they were very freaked out about it, and second of all, they'd need to disconnect all camera's and replace them. After all, that account they're broadcasting on is tied to Hunter's (unknown) bank account. They wouldn't get any money from it at all.
I doubt they'll continue to have sex for Hunter's patrons on the dark web, but I'm hoping Ophelia and Sterling at least do a video on Brenna's (or their own) OnlyFans, as was suggested during their threesome with Brenna, and get a massive payday from it. At this point they've crossed so many lines they might as well go with it, and at least it'll be their own decision from now on.

Don't forget the rest of Hunter's business, i.e. literally pimping out the women in the households he took over. From Hunter's explanation it sounds like those women are willing to prostitute themselves for the substantial income, with Hunter presumably collecting a percentage of their earnings. I feel like Sterling and the rest would be uncomfortable taking that business over, and most likely would release those women from their obligations.
 
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I doubt they'll continue to have sex for Hunter's patrons on the dark web, but I'm hoping Ophelia and Sterling at least do a video on Brenna's (or their own) OnlyFans, as was suggested during their threesome with Brenna, and get a massive payday from it. At this point they've crossed so many lines they might as well go with it, and at least it'll be their own decision from now on.

Don't forget the rest of Hunter's business, i.e. literally pimping out the women in the households he took over. From Hunter's explanation it sounds like those women are willing to prostitute themselves for the substantial income, with Hunter presumably collecting a percentage of their earnings. I feel like Sterling and the rest would be uncomfortable taking that business over, and most likely would release those women from their obligations.
I had forgotten about the pimping out part. This is why it might be difficult for there to be a Drew redemption arc.

Did she know about that or the camera/livestreaming business? I know she didn't know about the tranq darts, but she knew about the rest of the drugging. She's been complicit in his schemes for over 15 years and we're supposed to believe this is the first time he's used drugs on people? Obviously CANON-wise they are not successful thanks to Sterling, but that doesn't mean they haven't been in the past with other families.

That also would mean Drew knows and was willing/actively planning to pimp out her own family for money. It might not be possible for the family to get over this betrayal in the short time we have left in the game, unless perhaps we have some kind of time jump.
 

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I had forgotten about the pimping out part. This is why it might be difficult for there to be a Drew redemption arc.

Did she know about that or the camera/livestreaming business? I know she didn't know about the tranq darts, but she knew about the rest of the drugging. She's been complicit in his schemes for over 15 years and we're supposed to believe this is the first time he's used drugs on people? Obviously CANON-wise they are not successful thanks to Sterling, but that doesn't mean they haven't been in the past with other families.

That also would mean Drew knows and was willing/actively planning to pimp out her own family for money. It might not be possible for the family to get over this betrayal in the short time we have left in the game, unless perhaps we have some kind of time jump.
Drew knew about the pimping, as Hunter would send her to check up on conquered households to make sure things were going smoothly. However, I'm pretty sure neither Hunter nor Drew were planning to pimp out Ophelia and her family. Fuck them, yes, but not pimp them out.

I think the cameras/streaming was a new scheme limited to Ophelia's house, and Drew didn't know about it. She reacted angrily after Hunter's confession, calling it a "pornographic Real World" and threatening to stomp his face in.

Drew recognized "the mixture" in the wine bottle, so I think it's likely that Hunter has used drugs in the past, but perhaps only "when needed", like when faced with more resistance/obstacles than usual.

It seems to me that Drew only knew part of what Hunter was doing to their own family, and only begrudgingly went along with Hunter until she learned the whole truth. I think there's a strong case for Drew's redemption, but it hinges mainly on the details of the alleged affair with David.
 
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