Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[ScareKing]

Probably has to do with what ifs and that giant gap between main game updates focusing on them that happened there for a while. I know it affected a lot of peoples view of the game and some reviews, mine included.

I'll probably end up amending my review because this update delivered on a lot of fronts, drew content is a lot more palatable and as a villain she fits the game a lot better and it's a whole lot less gay than seeing hunter or any other man. Not that there is anything wrong with gay ofc.

Had she been the villian from the start it could have made the whole thing way less controversial and maybe even more fun, the way she's handled it may have even been a healthy competition that potentially ended with sterling and drew hooking up and/or fully transitioning to fit into his harem.

How exactly see some old man fucking a bunch of girls is gay? I know alot of people dont like NTR because of humiliation and shits like that, i think this is the first time i read someone saying its a gay thing lol, and as much as i would love to see more Drew scenes with girls, even she being fuck by MC, i dont see how this is less controversial, you can read alot of people who likes to see NTR but hate futa/shemale, i believe dartred is one of them, or maybe hes just not a fan but futa its prety controversial by itself, so NTR with futa could become a huge problem to Dev.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

How exactly see some old man fucking a bunch of girls is gay? I know alot of people dont like NTR because of humiliation and shits like that, i think this is the first time i read someone saying its a gay thing lol, and as much as i would love to see more Drew scenes with girls, even she being fuck by MC, i dont see how this is less controversial, you can read alot of people who likes to see NTR but hate futa/shemale, i believe dartred is one of them, or maybe hes just not a fan but futa its prety controversial by itself, so NTR with futa could become a huge problem to Dev.

Well, I don't think Dartred has any issue with futa, given that his own game has a futa for the primary antagonist. I, of course, could always be wrong though. But I definitely agree with you: liking NTR ≠ liking futa content, and the same in reverse. Anyone who has ever watched porn on a website where at least one of the participants is the same sex as the viewer would automatically be gay or lesbian if enjoying the porn amounted to that. The fact that you enjoy a scene that includes someone of the same sex doesn't even remotely mean you're homosexual.

I understand that some people are solidly against NTR, some people (like me) are neutral on it, and some people love it. However, I don't think it should affect your enjoyment of this game. If you like it, there's a little in the canon story (well, bad endings aren't technically canon, but YKWIM) and then the What Ifs. Should you not like it, you can just skip the What Ifs and avoid it in the main story. I obviously am not trying to minimize anyone feeling a certain way about it, but that's just how I personally look at it.

 

[E_nigma]

How exactly see some old man fucking a bunch of girls is gay? I know alot of people dont like NTR because of humiliation and shits like that, i think this is the first time i read someone saying its a gay thing lol, and as much as i would love to see more Drew scenes with girls, even she being fuck by MC, i dont see how this is less controversial, you can read alot of people who likes to see NTR but hate futa/shemale, i believe dartred is one of them, or maybe hes just not a fan but futa its prety controversial by itself, so NTR with futa could become a huge problem to Dev.

it's most certainly controversial but it isn't reviled and despised nearly the same way ntr is. From my time on the site the reaction ntr gets is it almost in all cases ruins the game, futa doesnt have that same perception. Sure it can be a turn off but not nearly the same visceral reaction ntr has that makes it almost binary in it's reception. Hell Its pretty much the only tag on the site that needs disclaimers. Could be wrong, just an observation.

As far as being it being gay/borderline gay, the fantasy is being dominated/taken from/humilitated by another man. Seems sus to me is all. Could futa be described similarly? Sure but thats assuming the only thing that makes a man a man is a penis and a woman a woman is a vagina and is a whole other can of worms. I just think it would be more palatable to people who dislike ntr because drew is for all intents and purposes a woman, outside of having a penis obv.

As a side note, a lot of the negative reviews don't even talk about the ntr so there are certainly a lot of things controversial about the game besides that aspect.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Sterling has fucked Cath, Tiff, Amber and if we are counting convinced to have sex first, even Ophelia.

It depends if we count the coma ending from chapter 7 where Brenna, Catherine, and Ophelia were all pregnant. Brenna & Catherine, presumably by Hunter. Ophelia, definitely by Hunter. I'm almost willing to say this scene doesn't "count" because it didn't depict sexual acts and was more comedic than typical NTR.

 

[dartred]

i definitely don't count that as no one really gets off on it. it's a pure bad end by definition with no sexual gratification. Same with Kumiko in silhouette. At least WWG says that bad end and the Kumiko from CH 9 don't count as to unlocking them for what if request. We'll Ophelia counts now, but at the time of that bad end, it didn't.

As far as being it being gay/borderline gay, the fantasy is being dominated/taken from/humilitated by another man. Seems sus to me is all.

Because we want to see a guy dominate girls, take the girl and humiliates another guy makes it gay?

Then by your logic, you're getting off when the scenes only involve Sterling. You like to see action when Sterling is involved. seems you're holding out for a specific guy. That's the really sus part. I could care less who fucks the girls, any guy works.

 

[E_nigma]

i definitely don't count that as no one really gets off on it. it's a pure bad end by definition with no sexual gratification.



Because we want to see a guy dominate girls, take the girl and humiliates another guy makes it gay?

Then by your logic, you're getting off when the scenes only involve Sterling. You like to see action when Sterling is involved. seems you're holding out for a specific guy. That's the really sus part. I could care less who fucks the girls, any guy works.

You're skipping the part where the guy they are taking from/humiliating is a placeholder for you or as far as the game is concerned at least. Otherwise it would just be maledom or rape.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

You're skipping the part where the guy they are taking from/humiliating is a placeholder for you or as far as the game is concerned at least. Otherwise it would just be maledom or rape.

Not if you self-insert as Hunter. Just sayin'.

 

[EnTeeArrr]

Not if you self-insert as Hunter. Just sayin'.

But it's only possible for them to self-insert as the wimp, see 90% of MC's being all effeminate wimps.

 

[weaselman]

Not if you self-insert as Hunter. Just sayin'.

I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for

 

[storm1051787]

I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for

Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.

Most ntr an antagonist are exactly that, antagonist. They are designed to be a foil to the player and the protagonist and often go out of their way to bully the protagonist, make things worse, or ruin their relationship with the love interests. Even if hunter was actually good looking an not an ugly bastard it would be the same way. I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.


Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else. Games that are meant for you to self insert as the guy doing the stealing are Netorari. But even those protagonist typically aren't like most ntr antagonist as those love interest are usually in some sort of failing marriage or something. Or has a husband who is an asshole to try and justify it.

 

[draco1617]

Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.

Most ntr an antagonist are exactly that, antagonist. They are designed to be a foil to the player and the protagonist and often go out of their way to bully the protagonist, make things worse, or ruin their relationship with the love interests. Even if hunter was actually good looking an not an ugly bastard it would be the same way. I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.


Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else. Games that are meant for you to self insert as the guy doing the stealing are Netorari. But even those protagonist typically aren't like most ntr antagonist as those love interest are usually in some sort of failing marriage or something. Or has a husband who is an asshole to try and justify it.

I agree with you that you're not supposed to self insert as hunter but I find that with porn games especially I have this sort of layer of abstraction going on. Take PV for example, during the main game the MC isn't Sterling he is [Insert my name here] foiling Hunter's plans but as soon as I get to a bad end he becomes Sterling again and, depending on my mood, either I become Hunter or I am a third party omnisciently watching this happen.

This way I can often enjoy ntr without getting too caught up in the emotional and insecurity side of things as it's just porn for me at the end of the day, no matter how good the writing. Although there is certainly a power aspect to it if I self insert as Hunter or play a netori game.

 

[partner33]

Protagonists in most of these games are self inserts, one of the reasons why so many games let you rename the protagonist and most don't have any sort of default name at all. You're supposed to imagine yourself as the protagonist. The games pretty much always follow things from their pov.

The protagonists in these types of erotic/porn games are not self-inserts of the readers/players but rather likely of the creators as "Self-insertion is a literary device in which the author writes himself or herself into the story as a fictional character". You're wrong about the main characters not having a default name, all you have to do is hit the Enter key and a name will be provided by the creator/game. This game's MC is named "Sterling" which the creator that posts here refers to him a such.

The name changing is there for the reader/player to better help immerse themselves with the story (it's a choice). You're also wrong about having to imagine yourself as the protagonist just because the story follows their point of view, again that is just ultimately a choice you can take as the reader/fapper.

I get some people choose to self insert themselves as the guy doing the ntr but you really not "supposed to" or it's not really the authors intent. You are supposed to relate with the protagonist and the ntr antagonist is just some jerk who shows up to ruin things. It's not really just a porn game thing it's just a literary thing in general. You are supposed to have a better connection with the pov character
That's also the reason why most people dislike ntr games. Because there is an obvious self insert and the antagonist is not.

Again you're using self-insertion incorrectly, but I get what you're saying (you meant imagining yourself as one of the characters). Also, supposed to≠must. Personally I don't like the MC as the whole harem genre/plot frame is saturated and it's more interesting to me to witness the MC not get what he wants even if it is non-canon. But make no mistake, ultimately neither you nor the majority nor the creator get to dictate on HOW all of us enjoy the content that is there.

Even most people who like ntr don't actually self insert themselves as the ntr guy. They still self insert as the protagonist they just generally get excited seeing the love interests fuck someone else.

That's just your assumption, and a wrong one at that. People in this thread, including myself, have posted of the different ways we enjoy the NTR content that differs from your narrow take on it.

 

[Ranma]

I actually don't get NTR guys nor the non-NTR guys, so you'r imagining yourself as the guy not fucking?
If stirling is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick
if hunter is fucking then hell yeah, I'm doing this chick

I'm all of the characters, POV is just a momentary view from the loser who couldn't make it, I'm all of the winners!
even better if it's some old dude fucking a 20 year old, gives me something to look our for

Oh, wow!
So, you're telling me that you... self-insert as both the guys and the gals.
Well now, you're most definitely always the winner then, aren't you? I gotta say, that's certainly very progressive of you!

 

[storm1051787]

The protagonists in these types of erotic/porn games are not self-inserts of the readers/players but rather likely of the creators as "Self-insertion is a literary device in which the author writes himself or herself into the story as a fictional character". You're wrong about the main characters not having a default name, all you have to do is hit the Enter key and a name will be provided by the creator/game. This game's MC is named "Sterling" which the creator that posts here refers to him a such.

I said that most games on this site don't have a default name. And from my personal experience they don't. I never said anything about this game. Also I don't think I'm using the term wrong but rather that there is more than one type of self insert. There is an author self insert, which is what you are talking about, and then there is the pretty basic protagonist which is meant to be a self insert for the audience which are usually video game characters. Like the dragonborn and a lot of other rpg protagonists. I don't think most porn game protagonists are author self inserts unless it's like the same 5 guys who make every game.


Even on the wikipedia page it mentions that the audience self insert type is mostly just for video games.

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A lot of video games are just straight power fantasies where you are supposed to see yourself as the protagonist. And a lot of hentai has a basic featureless protagonist for the sake of being an audience self insert.

That's just your assumption, and a wrong one at that.

Not really. Thats pretty much the whole point of hthe cuckhold fetish in porn. Some people get excited seeing their SO fuck someone else and the cuckhold fetish in porn is pretty much built around it.

 

[Ozygator]

Not after chapter 10 Sterling vaulted several steps.

Eh, not really. The first vaginal sex with Ophelia, who some have waited yearrs to see get fucked was, you guessed it as with Brenna and almost all the others, given to the NTR character first.

No idea why the dev, and the mods who are on the Patreon (or used to be) and patrol this thread, are trying so hard to disguise a NTR focused game as anything but that.

 

[Ozygator]

i definitely don't count that as no one really gets off on it. it's a pure bad end by definition with no sexual gratification. Same with Kumiko in silhouette. At least WWG says that bad end and the Kumiko from CH 9 don't count as to unlocking them for what if request. We'll Ophelia counts now, but at the time of that bad end, it didn't.



Because we want to see a guy dominate girls, take the girl and humiliates another guy makes it gay?

Then by your logic, you're getting off when the scenes only involve Sterling. You like to see action when Sterling is involved. seems you're holding out for a specific guy. That's the really sus part. I could care less who fucks the girls, any guy works.

You make no sense with the highlighted part. If you want "any guy" then why do you adamantly push so hard for a specific guy to do it? You are no different than the "sus" perrson you quoted becauuse you want a specific person to do the dominating.

This is a theme for anyone who likes NTR focused games, the trend seems to be to act as a troll to the main story, to self-insert as the "bad guy" who foils the protagonist in some manner. There are plenty of corruption and domination games on the site that don't have NTR yet they aren't popular (and NTR is not as popular from a funding standpoint compared to games without it at all for the most part). It's a specific thing with this specific fetish that people self-insert as what they see as the "bad guy" and trying to foil the story.

BTW, dominating a woman and humiliating a guy are not the same concept BTW. Stories are built around one or the other, and both, or neither, but they aren't tied together. Unless someone is self-inserting as the antagonist for their own ego stroking, the entire NTR fetish is pretty much just porn with different characters involved. It's when the viewer feels some sort of power trip, either from the character getting cucked or they imagine all the IRL players who are getting bent out of shape, that would drive the fetish. NTR is an interesting fetish, since a good portion of those who thrive on power are fairly insecure, have control/anger issues and over-compensate in other ways.

From a purely aesthetic sense, since Sterling is better proportioned than Hunter, why would someone *want* more scenes with an old, fugly character instead of just wanting more sex with better looking characters? Do all the NTR lovers get off on watching Ron Jeremy videos when he's so fat and old? It's the same difference. If someone doesn't like those then they shouldn't like the Hunter scenes in PV, unless they are self-inserting as the old, fast, fugly dude who is on a power trip as a way to apease their ego.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Eh, not really. The first vaginal sex with Ophelia, who some have waited yearrs to see get fucked was, you guessed it as with Brenna and almost all the others, given to the NTR character first.

No idea why the dev, and the mods who are on the Patreon (or used to be) and patrol this thread, are trying so hard to disguise a NTR focused game as anything but that.

Interesting, I've played this excellent game 3 times now and haven't seen a single scene with anything resembling NTR, it's almost as if you can choose to turn it off.....

As for scenes "given" to NTR first, couldn't care less since I'm never gonna see them any way.

 

[Ozygator]

Don't listen to this guy. There is a shit ton more vanilla content then NTR. If you play the game right now, Hunter only has 1 sex scene with a woman Sterling doesn't. Unless you count anal, then it's tied.

in terms of overall Vanilla to NTR, Vanilla is crazy ahead. You know how it is though, when there's content you don't like, the anthill is called a mountain.

Eh, the anthill is a mountain when the 1 sex scene different with Ophelia, the main female charactrer that had yet to have any major sex scenes prior to this release. That is a signifigant present for a supposedly non-canon character.

So Hunter got first vag sex with her, the same as he did with the second of the three main female characters, Brenna. And as he did with most of the female cast, major or minor. For a game supposedly not focused on NTR it would be surprising to have an equal number of vanilla and NTR scenes. Now if the dev fully embraced, which he probably should do considering the trime and resources he devotes to it, then they should be equal, I agree with that.

 

[Ozygator]

Interesting, I've played this excellent game 3 times now and haven't seen a single scene with anything resembling NTR, it's almost as if you can choose to turn it off.....

As for scenes "given" to NTR first, couldn't care less since I'm never gonna see them any way.

Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.

No but that is just as big of a part of the game as the rest, you can just choose which you wanna play.