Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[RabidSloth]

If Sterling got every woman before Hunter then Hunter's scenes would have less effect. One way to mitigate this might be to have the women say they enjoy sex with Hunter more than with Sterling

That would actually be worse, to me personally. Right now I can easily disregard the scenes because of all the drugs and the non-canon nature of it. But if they had the MC first, and then Hunter, and then said in their drunken stupor how much better it is with Hunter, then it would start to approach what I'd consider "actual NTR" territory and the question of "Do or would they really feel that way??" and then I might actually be bothered by it.

I can only speak for myself, but I'd definitely prefer the way it's done now instead. Also I think you're spot on in your assessment of it adding a feeling of urgency.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

That would actually be worse, to me personally. Right now I can easily disregard the scenes because of all the drugs and the non-canon nature of it. But if they had the MC first, and then Hunter, and then said in their drunken stupor how much better it is with Hunter, then it would start to approach what I'd consider "actual NTR" territory and the question of "Do or would they really feel that way??" and then I might actually be bothered by it.

Exactly. As you mentioned earlier, the women can be forgiven for being susceptible to Hunter's chemicals and such, but to have them actually compare whose cock feels better would be so much worse. People who want Hunter to go second should be careful what they wish for!

 

[RabidSloth]

Exactly. As you mentioned earlier, the women can be forgiven for being susceptible to Hunter's chemicals and such, but to have them actually compare whose cock feels better would be so much worse. People who want Hunter to go second should be careful what they wish for!

We are in complete agreement on this matter!

 

[storm1051787]

What if the patrons who pledge the highest amount do so simply because they're older and have more disposable income, and since they're older are not so insecure about women and sex, and thus the NTR content doesn't bother them? Just a thought.

Hunter "getting there first" serves to add urgency to the conflict in the story. That's the point, for it to have maximum impact. The fact some people are so upset just proves the strategy works. If Sterling got every woman before Hunter then Hunter's scenes would have less effect. One way to mitigate this might be to have the women say they enjoy sex with Hunter more than with Sterling, but I expect people would complain about that too.

The fact that PV features NTR attracted patrons who like (or at least don't mind) that kind of content. They didn't influence WWG to add NTR to the game, he is ultimately going to make what he wants to make. Enough with this chicken-or-the-egg bullshit.

Or it could be because NTR is a much less popular fetish and 90% of games on this site are vanilla so people who like ntr are willing to pay more to support it since it's not that common even in the main game. I'm getting not into ntr argument because I don't really care what you like, but the fact that NTR fans make up the majority of the high tier probably has more to do with being more willing to pay more for content they like. I don't really ntr vs not liking ntr is a maturity thing. As the main aspect NTR is about creating a feeling of jealously. The cuckholding thing is the main focus and appeal of ntr as some people get excited by being cuckholded or at least watching others be cuckholded.


The people who don't feel any sort of jealousy are usually just indifferent and towards the fetish rather than liking it. For people like that there is no reason for them to spend extra money to support that fetish because they don't actually like it they just don't hate it. And seeing hunter fuck people is no different than seeing Sterling or anyone else fuck people so there is no real reason to support hunter scenes unless you have a rape fetish. If ntr is winning every poll over the non ntr options that means they prefer ntr to vanilla, not that they don't mind seeing ntr. Although maybe older fans prefer watching older characters, like Hunter, fuck then teenagers and 20 something years olds like most protagonist on this site are.



Personally I just dislike Hunter as a person. If the game was about Sterling using the same methods to get girls as Hunter does and Sterling didn't exist I wouldn't like because I dislike rape and black mail in these type of games. To me Hunter is a good villain for a humor focused game like this because his fails always involve him getting hurt in some way or another. But I don't like hunter scenes because pyscopath and I dislike his methods

 

[FlyinginTime]

are the what ifs stand alone? I mean does they affect the story? What does optional ntr mean, if I turn ntr off will it still happen and I just won't be able to see it?

 

[RabidSloth]

are the what ifs stand alone? I mean does they affect the story? What does optional ntr mean, if I turn ntr off will it still happen and I just won't be able to see it?

The What If...s are separate stand-alone episodes that are 100% not canon. They never actually happened, and have no bearing on the main game. I would recommend not playing them until you are familiar with the game and characters though, or just not at all of coure, if even non-canon NTR is just not your thing lol.

If you leave NTR on in the main game, then you will see the scenes if you make a (wrong) choice. But even if you do, they're still not canon. And the game will automatically shoot you back to that choice so that you can make the alternate one after the scene is done. If NTR is off then they will never occur period, even non-canonically. No matter what choices you make.

 

[FlyinginTime]

The What If...s are separate stand-alone episodes that are 100% not canon. They never actually happened, and have no bearing on the main game. I would recommend not playing them until you are familiar with the game and characters though, or just not at all of coure, if even non-canon NTR is just not your thing lol.

If you leave NTR on in the main game, then you will see the scenes if you make a (wrong) choice. But even if you do, they're still not canon. And the game will automatically shoot you back to that choice so that you can make the alternate one after the scene is done. If NTR is off then they will never occur period, even non-canonically. No matter what choices you make.

thanks for explaining, appreciate it. and no, it's not my thing.

 

[storm1051787]

are the what ifs stand alone? I mean does they affect the story? What does optional ntr mean, if I turn ntr off will it still happen and I just won't be able to see it?

There is an NTR switch. If you turn the ntr off the choices that lead to the ntr scenes will disappear. The ntr is "non canon" as in they arent connected to the story of the game. Whenever the story advances foward those ntr scenes never happened because every ntr scene leads to a bad ending and a game over. It's like Boswer winning. Boswer never wins because if he does you have to try the fight over again/

 

[RabidSloth]

thanks for explaining, appreciate it.

No problem

Also, just in case it matters, I think it's worth pointing out that even in the non-canonical NTR scenes, it's accomplished by the villain through the use of things like mind-breaking sex drugs. None of the girls fuck him of their own accord (IIRC). Just so you don't think "Yeah, but this bitch would have fucked him if I hadn't done [X]".

 

[FlyinginTime]

There is an NTR switch. If you turn the ntr off the choices that lead to the ntr scenes will disappear. The ntr is "non canon" as in they arent connected to the story of the game. Whenever the story advances foward those ntr scenes never happened because every ntr scene leads to a bad ending and a game over

thanks for answering

 

[DD69-1]

No problem

Also, just in case it matters, I think it's worth pointing out that even in the non-canonical NTR scenes, it's accomplished by the villain through the use of things like mind-breaking sex drugs. None of the girls fuck him of their own accord (IIRC). Just so you don't think "Yeah, but this bitch would have fucked him if I hadn't done [X]".

Ophelia fucked Hunter without drugs

 

[RabidSloth]

Ophelia fucked Hunter without drugs

FALSE! lol In the dialogue (I believe after the scene with MC, Ophelia, and the aunt) it's revealed that something was slipped into their wine (that they drank a whole bottle of) . Probably easy to miss tbf, but I did catch that.

 

[Maestro91]

It blows my mind how much of a bad memory some guys on this thread has. You can't convince me otherwise that some of you are actively trolling.
A few days ago we were having a shockingly similar "convo" -if you can even call it that- about the ntr and the distribution of content, about the what ifs, about some of you shaming paying patrons for paying the dev for content they wanna see in the what ifs and that you think fans have any power at all on how the plot in the main game goes.

It's honestly baffling to me how much bad faith the same people continue to spew week after week about things that have been answered again and again, and you continuing to parrot lies made by some basement dweller that are hurt some pixels didn't perform how he wanted to in one scene that are irrelevant to them in the first place.

And now we got even more bad actors writing walls of badly structured sentences with more non-facts and errors and generally bad takes because they apparantly don't read the thread and just post whatever they want.

I'm actively on the discord and I've not seen anyone trying to start any discussion about anything that has been shot down by "dreaded ntr fans"
I think what is actually happening is you think the discord is intimidating and you won't be liked if you try to start a conversation about what you like or wanna see.

In fact, I wanna also say, the "ntr fans" are some of the loveliest and politest people you can talk to and maybe you'll discover that some of them don't actively go in for ntr, they just don't mind it and like most, if not all the kinks/fetishes that the game has.

If some of you spent half the time actually reading the dialogue in the game and the things that some of us others are writing that you use to sit here and try to sound intellectual with superfluous idioms to try and sound like what your saying is making any sense whatsoever I think we could be having actual proper discussions.

A lot of rambling in this post, so it'll fit right in this thread then.

Vote Penny!!!

 

[DD69-1]

FALSE! lol In the dialogue (I believe after the scene with MC, Ophelia, and the aunt) it's revealed that something was slipped into their wine (that they drank a whole bottle of) . Probably easy to miss tbf, but I did catch that.

brother, you missed my kekw smiley in the end
saying this only for Hunter & Ophelia scene, no mentions of wine there

 

[Skode]

I mean maybe that´s the point. The fact that either of you wants all the asses available so you shall compete in epic battle until victory is claimed by right of anal sex.

Or maybe he adds the route because he wants to add futa.

If Sterling doesnt bang Drew then fair play to WWG - Futa IMO is over saturated in games now (its surprisingly common given its a niche kink which is a sure sign having it pays well) but how many of all those games does NOT feature Male on Trans? Going full on with Trans on Female only would be going against the norm and an interesting approach and very very power vacuum (a parody game of porn tropes - main one being the ugly bastard NTR antagonist gets screwed over routinely... the japanese hentai community would hate this game lol)

 

[RabidSloth]

brother, you missed my kekw smiley in the end
saying this only for Hunter & Ophelia scene, no mentions of wine there

Just to be more clear, what I remember, and please anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, was that Ophelia & the aunt had *already* been drinking drugged wine (that had been drugged earlier in the evening) before either Sterling, or Hunter after he knocks out Sterling, get there. So whether Sterling shows up for the canon scene, or Hunter shows up for the NTR scene, both the women are already under the influence of the drugs.

Edit: Just to elaborate further, the revelation itself that the wine was drugged is only given after the canon scene has played out in the main story (IIRC).

 

[rhcp725]

In regards to What Ifs. The main reason i believe that the NTR option keeps winning is based strictly on the fact that they are the most interesting choice for the top tier to vote on. If someone were to present a vanilla idea that was better/more interesting than the NTR choices it would get support. Unfortunately most vanilla options only offer more of the same and just give the been there done that feel to them.

What the What Ifs provide is the option to see something different which we don't get in the actual game. Part of what makes it fun/interesting for WWG to makes them is being able to do something different then what he has been doing for the main game. With the fact that the updates are taking longer and longer to develop its nice we get ant content at all in between releases anyway. No one is forcing you to play them if you don't want to. Enjoy them for what they are or just wait for what you do enjoy when the new content eventually drops.

 

[Maestro91]

In regards to What Ifs. The main reason i believe that the NTR option keeps winning is based strictly on the fact that they are the most interesting choice for the top tier to vote on. If someone were to present a vanilla idea that was better/more interesting than the NTR choices it would get support. Unfortunately most vanilla options only offer more of the same and just give the been there done that feel to them.

What the What Ifs provide is the option to see something different which we don't get in the actual game. Part of what makes it fun/interesting for WWG to makes them is being able to do something different then what he has been doing for the main game. With the fact that the updates are taking longer and longer to develop its nice we get ant content at all in between releases anyway. No one is forcing you to play them if you don't want to. Enjoy them for what they are or just wait for what you do enjoy when the new content eventually drops.

This is pretty apt, most of the suggestions involving Sterling and one of or several of the women in the game without Hunter or Kevin are usually pretty bland and is something we've already seen or will see eventually in the main game, I've seen maybe 3 suggestions that has a different location than the house. Plot is usually something relating to a scene in the main game and not that different than what actually happens.
I myself have tried the same but with a bit of spice trying to emulate an actual 'What if', but it always looses out on votes.

The ntr suggestions aren't much more creative imo, but they are more exciting -though the trip to Africa is a good one- and have usually something we won't get to see in the main game.

I often, if not always try to include Penny in my suggestions because she's one of my favorites and the least utilized character imo. I've no idea why but she usually, actually always are voted out of the polls.
And are often the butt end of the joke in the discord...

 

[storm1051787]

In regards to What Ifs. The main reason i believe that the NTR option keeps winning is based strictly on the fact that they are the most interesting choice for the top tier to vote on. If someone were to present a vanilla idea that was better/more interesting than the NTR choices it would get support. Unfortunately most vanilla options only offer more of the same and just give the been there done that feel to them.

What the What Ifs provide is the option to see something different which we don't get in the actual game. Part of what makes it fun/interesting for WWG to makes them is being able to do something different then what he has been doing for the main game. With the fact that the updates are taking longer and longer to develop its nice we get ant content at all in between releases anyway. No one is forcing you to play them if you don't want to. Enjoy them for what they are or just wait for what you do enjoy when the new content eventually drops.

I disagree with the ntr option being the most interesting seeing as how the last what if was just Brenna staying with Hunter and one of the ntr is just Lucica doing some old men in the woods.


The fact the ntr options are so boring is one of my biggest complaints. What if 6 is basically something that's already in the game as a bad ending, it only won the poll because it was the only ntr option. If you guys actually can create something interesting for the ntr I'd see no reason why you wouldn't be able to do the same for a what if with Sterling if you actually put a good amount of time thinking of one.

 

[Only1P]

Yeah adding to that the main vanilla sex scenes dont even try to be sexy anymore, I swear to god that there wasnt one sex scene in this last update (ch 10) where the main LI hasnt spent at least 5 sentences insulting/laughing on Sterling. Lucia, Catherine, Brenna, Ophelia and Aliza.
the scenes are just packed with the LIs dropping bombs on how Ugly, Inexperienced, Dumb, Boring, Childish Sterling is.
I swear its like WWG actively tries to shut my boner off in the middle of a sex scene.
dont even mention the stupid jokes about giftcards in the midst of missionary.
Oh and the cockblock with the hotel receptionist, I wouldve kicked Brenna's ass straight to the pool.

When Hunter gets: "Daddy, Fuck Your Babygirl."