Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[luchettodj94]

What happen near the end of chap 9 with Ophelia?
There's something somehow really wrong with it, I get it her wish to try something like that but you can't change a personality of a person like that, i mean she clearly was not the submissive type but she was also a caring person all the time with a touch of willingness and understanding, a snap in the fem dom is totally out of the character, especially against a person that can easily overwhelming you, the thougths of rationalize the deed of the mc with this make no sense, at least on how the story developed. As the mc said they barely talk anymore so is possible that the relation will change back to the previous status in the next chap or so ( I didn't yet complete the chap 10) but still is somehow forced, like they say, too much too quickly.

Another note, unsure how the dev is treating the trans issue, in one point seem to be more than willing to accept it without questions and the other side point more than once the paradigm with it, combining with the confusions of mixing trans ppl and futa is a bit of a mess..

 

[SuddenReal]

There's something somehow really wrong with it, I get it her wish to try something like that but you can't change a personality of a person like that, i mean she clearly was not the submissive type but she was also a caring person all the time with a touch of willingness and understanding, a snap in the fem dom is totally out of the character, especially against a person that can easily overwhelming you, the thougths of rationalize the deed of the mc with this make no sense, at least on how the story developed.

This has been discussed when chapter 9 came out, but it's not that much of a personality change. There have been hints about his earlier during the book club. Also, you have to remember that Ophelia is driven to the edge by now. She has these conflicting feelings about her own son, not to mention all the other problems she currently has (her financial issues, Kevin's blackmail, and so on), so she "shifted" just to have some control again. And yes, Sterling can easily overwhelm her, buts she knows he won't because that's not who he is. She knows she can control him, because he will let her. What a lot of people don't know about domination is that the sub has the control of the relationship because of the safeword. Yes, there is no safeword here, but that's besides the point. Both know the moment Ophelia makes an unreasonable request, Sterling can just stop it. Even though Ophelia calls the shots, Sterling is the one who controls how far she can go. And because now she's the one calling the shots, she can go further than she has before without guilt, because this is now about her.

 

[luchettodj94]

This has been discussed when chapter 9 came out, but it's not that much of a personality change. There have been hints about his earlier during the book club. Also, you have to remember that Ophelia is driven to the edge by now. She has these conflicting feelings about her own son, not to mention all the other problems she currently has (her financial issues, Kevin's blackmail, and so on), so she "shifted" just to have some control again. And yes, Sterling can easily overwhelm her, buts she knows he won't because that's not who he is. She knows she can control him, because he will let her. What a lot of people don't know about domination is that the sub has the control of the relationship because of the safeword. Yes, there is no safeword here, but that's besides the point. Both know the moment Ophelia makes an unreasonable request, Sterling can just stop it. Even though Ophelia calls the shots, Sterling is the one who controls how far she can go. And because now she's the one calling the shots, she can go further than she has before without guilt, because this is now about her.

As i said before, I know that she talked it about and is the mc himself that will remind you but that not mean a thought is comparable a willing to, or in the same order also a woman who dream about getting raped want to, right? Right?
What you are talking is a roleplay but a roleplay is when both part are accepting consciously that they back to the previous status once the game end, here the mc had no choice with in, that he is accepting the whole in his favor not mean that he agree the term since refusing it mean loosing her for who know until when (and this was already happen multiple times in the story). The story here pretty sure will meet a breakpoint or when the mc had enough (and if happen most probably is before the first entercour, but again I don't know what will happen during chap 10) following an apology from Ophelia after x or is Ophelia herself that will put down this act aware that is no longer herself.
A good fem dom is in Sisterly Lust with the double life since not know a person can make you comfortable with some choice you will never do with your dear ones without risking of loosing it.

 

[Skode]

What happen near the end of chap 9 with Ophelia?
There's something somehow really wrong with it, I get it her wish to try something like that but you can't change a personality of a person like that, i mean she clearly was not the submissive type but she was also a caring person all the time with a touch of willingness and understanding, a snap in the fem dom is totally out of the character, especially against a person that can easily overwhelming you, the thougths of rationalize the deed of the mc with this make no sense, at least on how the story developed. As the mc said they barely talk anymore so is possible that the relation will change back to the previous status in the next chap or so ( I didn't yet complete the chap 10) but still is somehow forced, like they say, too much too quickly.

She has also been drugged to the high heavens to lose almost all inhibitions and thus all the characters deepest darkest kinks are coming to the fore - she was teased much earlier in story by her sister about always wanting to be the dom... its coming out here. This isn't a huge shock in the story in all honesty as remember for example Lucia... she would FREAK at anyone seeing her naked, now she gets off on voyeur scenarios more than anyone else as its her deepest darkest kink and that is despite her being the only girl who is AWARE of Hunters schemes and advances yet he's still eroded her resistances with air born drugs pumped through the home. Sterling is all big on compassion and caring but did that stop him for example sabotaging the wifi so he could get his own mother to strip for him? No one is behaving as they should in a Hunter free world but it is what it is, the family members have been corrupted so there is little holding them back from acting out their fantasies especially with a willing participant on the scene which Sterling fully is. You simply have to ask has ANYONES personality not bee changed through the stories progression... is Catherine still a religious zealot? Nope so yeah Ophelia is no more immune to the changes as anyone else.

 

[Fuxxzz]

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Man, I really want this scene to be completely played. Also Lucia should be there too. And Amber's sister. I know that we have What Ifs but I still wonder how would the game be if there has been a NTR route added to the game in the first updates. Other than more bitching in the thread I mean.

 

[luchettodj94]

She has also been drugged to the high heavens to lose almost all inhibitions and thus all the characters deepest darkest kinks are coming to the fore - she was teased much earlier in story by her sister about always wanting to be the dom... its coming out here. This isn't a huge shock in the story in all honesty as remember for example Lucia... she would FREAK at anyone seeing her naked, now she gets off on voyeur scenarios more than anyone else as its her deepest darkest kink and that is despite her being the only girl who is AWARE of Hunters schemes and advances yet he's still eroded her resistances with air born drugs pumped through the home. Sterling is all big on compassion and caring but did that stop him for example sabotaging the wifi so he could get his own mother to strip for him? No one is behaving as they should in a Hunter free world but it is what it is, the family members have been corrupted so there is little holding them back from acting out their fantasies especially with a willing participant on the scene which Sterling fully is. You simply have to ask has ANYONES personality not bee changed through the stories progression... is Catherine still a religious zealot? Nope so yeah Ophelia is no more immune to the changes as anyone else.

We have no way to know Lucia previous life other than what other said, she admitted that got the thrill when got exposed with the transparent bathing suit but what we don't know if she got the thrill of being shamed in front of everyone or especially in front the mc since he may got to be the person of interest, and following the story probably is the second one, even the shed scene probably was not the same if the mc was not there with her, and this is understable since she did nothing outside of the mc vision (confim is with the phone app). I agree that Hunter have is own plotting and sure have contributed to accellerate the corruption of everyone but that not mean they have no will just they are more willing to experiment, never said nothing about the mc itself since is pretty understable what he is doing for lust and what for caring. For Catherine the fact is another, she is willing to follow the mc thoughts since she is seeing him as something important that she don't want to loose for any reason, they are corrupting her, yeah, but at this point if the mc will say that he prefer somebody with "more meat in the bones" she will gain weight for him, that how important he is for her.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

As the mc said they barely talk anymore so is possible that the relation will change back to the previous status in the next chap or so ( I didn't yet complete the chap 10) but still is somehow forced, like they say, too much too quickly.

Your comment is ironic because Ophelia's behavior is a direct response to Sterling "forcing" an escalation of their sexual relationship "too much, too quickly." An honest analysis of the scene should take into account his actions as well. You can't rape someone and then cry foul when their attitude towards you changes.

Ophelia has dom fantasies. She (and everyone) are drugged. Sterling crossed a line. She decides to play out the fantasy in order to regain a feeling of control. It's just a coping mechanism for her. It's pretty light as femdom goes, and Sterling's into it anyway, since she's "making him" do what he already did i.e. eat her out.

We had lengthy discussions on this back when chapter 9 came out, check those out if you want more in-depth analysis, but rest assured that Ophelia's dom behavior is a temporary response and not a reflection of her true personality.

 

[FoolishFool0]

Man, I really want this scene to be completely played. Also Lucia should be there too. And Amber's sister. I know that we have What Ifs but I still wonder how would the game be if there has been a NTR route added to the game in the first updates. Other than more bitching in the thread I mean.

That's the thing tho, what if Lucia's absence is a deliberate choice?

Think about it, Lucia is the only person in the house "in the know" alongside the MC, imagine what she'd do if she suddenly found out he had gone blind and deaf after snooping in his grandfather's room, grandfather she knows is planning destardly shit on everyone in the house too.

She'd probably bail. She's not close close enough to the MC yet to plan bloody vengeance, that would be more Catherine's speed, she'd choose survival over it and bail, just like she did in the Coma bad ending, where she returns home as soon as shit starts hitting the fan too.

Tiff should also not be here since she was there when Hunter crippled the MC, so you'd expect her to rat on him, except you can argue after Hunter caused the incident with Sterling, he simply played it out as the concerned Grandfather who was, like, trafficking drugs to keep his family afloat, and think about it, Tiff needs money, money Sterling can't give her anymore, meaning she'd succumb to Hunter out of necessity more than anything else.

You could also argue that, post chapter 10, since the MC is now her "fix" for a legit circadian rhythm, she'd probably be less self serving in this scenario and maybe even plot vengeance, or she might also fall more easily victim of Hunter since he would be her "provider," fill the "vacuum" left by the MC, so to speak.

Not even that difficult to do it honestly. Like, just provide Catherine with proof Hunter blinded the MC before he gets to her, next thing you know dude has been defenestrated and there are no witnesses to prove it thanks to Lucia.

(Side note, speaking of Lucia, I don't know how familiar is the author with Italian stuff, but "there is nothing more divine than fucking your cousin" (Divina and Cugina rhyme in italian) is an... extremely old joke about incest here in Italy, something Hunter would have heard back in Italy in his youth, which makes Lucia being Sterling's Cousin Times Two a great way to have this very same joke happen).

 

[luchettodj94]

Your comment is ironic because Ophelia's behavior is a direct response to Sterling "forcing" an escalation of their sexual relationship "too much, too quickly." An honest analysis of the scene should take into account his actions as well. You can't rape someone and then cry foul when their attitude towards you changes.

Ophelia has dom fantasies. She (and everyone) are drugged. Sterling crossed a line. She decides to play out the fantasy in order to regain a feeling of control. It's just a coping mechanism for her. It's pretty light as femdom goes, and Sterling's into it anyway, since she's "making him" do what he already did i.e. eat her out.

We had lengthy discussions on this back when chapter 9 came out, check those out if you want more in-depth analysis, but rest assured that Ophelia's dom behavior is a temporary response and not a reflection of her true personality.

I mean you talking like forcing your kid to smoke 5 packs of sig after you found 1, this behavior exist only cause somebody bring it over the time as good educations, that doens't mean is a correct approach, you also talking about rape but I think the game itself explained his basic meaning few chapter before, so please keep it low with these affermations (that doens't mean it the mc didn't forced however sometimes, depending on the context, no means no loose all the credibility after). As explained in another comment the fact that someone have some thoughts about something don't mean they are willing to for real since it may have negative ripercussions, the fact that they are drugged mean nothing in that context since you don't loose the ability to think, you are just more horny, susceptible on new sexual experience yes, but nothing over your own control ( if this was not the case Lucia was most probably already dead). I've pretty much already explained myself in the previous 3 comments, so please check it out.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I mean you talking like forcing your kid to smoke 5 packs of sig after you found 1, this behavior exist only cause somebody bring it over the time as good educations, that doens't mean is a correct approach, you also talking about rape but I think the game itself explained his basic meaning few chapter before, so please keep it low with these affermations (that doens't mean it the mc didn't forced however sometimes, depending on the context, no means no loose all the credibility after). As explained in another comment the fact that someone have some thoughts about something don't mean they are willing to for real since it may have negative ripercussions, the fact that they are drugged mean nothing in that context since you don't loose the ability to think, you are just more horny, susceptible on new sexual experience yes, but nothing over your own control ( if this was not the case Lucia was most probably already dead). I've pretty much already explained myself in the previous 3 comments, so please check it out.

By coincidence I actually considered using that same cigarette analogy, but anyway.

Your argument seems to hinge on what rational people would do, which is an easy argument to make as an outside observer but it doesn't hold up. These characters are subject to trauma and manipulation, you judging whether their actions are "correct" ignores their emotions.

Also bear in mind: the massive taboo between Ophelia and Sterling. We don't usually consider mother/son incest as "correct" in real life. If Ophelia easily caved to Sterling's advances, that wouldn't be consistent with her character either, and it would be boring. Her angry response is more believable, sets up great "make it up to you" sex later on, and preserves some of the taboo which is the crux of incest stories in the first place.

 

[TrueJackal]

Ok looking for some advice. I have been playing this VN so far with not NTR but as I get to the end of what content is available I am wondering if I should do it again with NTR. First let me say I currently see ntr as being cucked. I am not into being a cuck but is that what ntr is for this game?
Thanks for any constructive insight and advise about this.

I like to think of myself as the one doing the cucking not getting cucked. It's not that hard to switch perspectives. The NTR is squarely non-canon so the way the women treat the MC and the Rival in bad ends doesn't necessarily reflect how they actually feel about the MC. Which makes it easier to switch perspectives without feeling like I'm getting cheated.

Playing the MC after playing the NTR scene, isn't "not to play this as a bitch again" its, "What if the other guy got his way and won".

WWG has done a good job of writing the canon story such that you can comfortably treat it as separate.

 

[Rui Ferreira]

From the "What if vol.8"... Once again there is another mention of a TV series or movie or what-have-you (And there are many, in Power Vacuum) that makes me feel old (even though I'm only 43)... But, I really, really liked to see "The Thing (1982)" mentioned in the game, as well as some other films, like the inclusion of "Die Hard" and "Die Hard 3 (1995)", etc.

Compared to many of you youths out there, these "mentions" make me feel both old and understood at the same time.
What a wonderful game and what an excelent developer (and team).
Congratulations,
What? Why? Games

 

[Fuxxzz]

That's the thing tho, what if Lucia's absence is a deliberate choice?

Think about it, Lucia is the only person in the house "in the know" alongside the MC, imagine what she'd do if she suddenly found out he had gone blind and deaf after snooping in his grandfather's room, grandfather she knows is planning destardly shit on everyone in the house too.

She'd probably bail. She's not close close enough to the MC yet to plan bloody vengeance, that would be more Catherine's speed, she'd choose survival over it and bail, just like she did in the Coma bad ending, where she returns home as soon as shit starts hitting the fan too.

Tiff should also not be here since she was there when Hunter crippled the MC, so you'd expect her to rat on him, except you can argue after Hunter caused the incident with Sterling, he simply played it out as the concerned Grandfather who was, like, trafficking drugs to keep his family afloat, and think about it, Tiff needs money, money Sterling can't give her anymore, meaning she'd succumb to Hunter out of necessity more than anything else.

You could also argue that, post chapter 10, since the MC is now her "fix" for a legit circadian rhythm, she'd probably be less self serving in this scenario and maybe even plot vengeance, or she might also fall more easily victim of Hunter since he would be her "provider," fill the "vacuum" left by the MC, so to speak.

Not even that difficult to do it honestly. Like, just provide Catherine with proof Hunter blinded the MC before he gets to her, next thing you know dude has been defenestrated and there are no witnesses to prove it thanks to Lucia.

(Side note, speaking of Lucia, I don't know how familiar is the author with Italian stuff, but "there is nothing more divine than fucking your cousin" (Divina and Cugina rhyme in italian) is an... extremely old joke about incest here in Italy, something Hunter would have heard back in Italy in his youth, which makes Lucia being Sterling's Cousin Times Two a great way to have this very same joke happen).

Ok, I guess
I just like watching Hunter fuck the girls

 

[punisher2099]

Man, I really want this scene to be completely played. Also Lucia should be there too. And Amber's sister. I know that we have What Ifs but I still wonder how would the game be if there has been a NTR route added to the game in the first updates. Other than more bitching in the thread I mean.

Well we don't always get what we want out of life do we? Guess you'll have to suck it up and take whatever scenes you get with that shriveled up piece of shit.

 

[NonChalantly]

Could anyone share the patch for What If 7? I just download it and lewd patcher just has the patch for WI 8

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Could anyone share the patch for What If 7? I just download it and lewd patcher just has the patch for WI 8

It's the same patch, the patch is for the "main game, volume 7, and volume 8". You can even open it with Notepad or Notepad ++ and you will see all the dialogue for each one.

 

[NonChalantly]

It's the same patch, the patch is for the "main game, volume 7, and volume 8". You can even open it with Notepad or Notepad ++ and you will see all the dialogue for each one.

AH! I see, then I'll just copy the patch from 8 to 7, thanks a lot mate.

 

[maynardkeynes65]

Hey guys! Just a question, what are the voting options for the December Wallpaper?

 

[Stan5851]

Last scene with Ophelina was bulshit which she told us ''If you wish continue our arrangement... It will be as a my slave!'' Its literaly forced and cringy AS F... You seriously start making forced FEMDOM after 9 chapter... If you want create FEMDOM content you gotta make it clear you gonna do that from begining, you cant just do that out of nowhere and force your players like that... At least you could have add choice option! It should't be that much hard to give player choice for someting big like that... How hard could be to give player choice DOM path with her or FEM path with her?I dont what other people things but im stopping play after that part, if you remake that part with next update and give us choice to not be FEMDOM loser i will be back.

And im not even gonna talk about eating Brenna's whole feet... That was damn disgusting aswell...

Thanks for the warning, mate. But in general, this author's attitude towards players is really unfortunate. After all, even in purely femdom games they give you a choice. (I play Karlsson's Gambit following the Dom route, and such MC is in complete control by being on top), but in this vanilla game players are deliberately denied the simple right to choose? That's just ridiculous.

 

[AngryClerk]

Thanks for the warning, mate. But in general, this author's attitude towards players is really unfortunate. After all, even in purely femdom games they give you a choice. (I play Karlsson's Gambit following the Dom route, and such MC is in complete control by being on top), but in this vanilla game players are deliberately denied the simple right to choose? That's just ridiculous.

That individuals post was a year old in regards to Chapter 9. Chapter 10 is out now and well:

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That is just assuming that you haven't played. If you did then you know that the instance he brought up lasts as long as a gnats dick. There would be no reason to create a route or path. There doesn't even need to be an option created to "turn it off".