Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[TigerWolfe]

Yeah! Using drugs and fucking some guy's entire family is only okay when the MC does it!

We have to have standards around here.

 

[K5434]

I havent heard about this game in a while. Is it still in Progress or is it on the edge of getting Abandoned? Last Update is now 6 Months old?

 

[Stupidkiller]

I havent heard about this game in a while. Is it still in Progress or is it on the edge of getting Abandoned? Last Update is now 6 Months old?

Considering it's still getting news posts on patreon, not even remotely close to being abandoned.

 

[Hermit76]

Each part is taking longer and longer, because they have more and more content. The next part is, as far as I know, expected for the end of the year (more or less).

 

[Respax]

i will never understand why people like NTR but i ain't gonna start throwing stones in a glass house we are all different kinds of freaky

I don't understand those who complain about people who like Ntr.

PS: Initially I didn't like ntr games, but then I understood why. The problem is that you vanillas identify with the protagonist, that's the problem. I stopped writing my name in the MC a long time ago, from then on I started to like the NTR as with the Vanilla version.

 

[AVNTester2]

I started to like the NTR

Sorry but if you tell me you like the decrepit walking undead that is Hunter then something has to be wrong with you...
Drew alright or any other not Zombie looking Dude but not Hunter...

 

[Respax]

Sorry but if you tell me you like the decrepit walking undead that is Hunter then something has to be wrong with you...
Drew alright or any other not Zombie looking Dude but not Hunter...

no I like girls, it's exciting that an old man with a huge dick puts them in their place. I don't care if the guy who has the penis who fucks is beautiful or ugly, I'm interested in women with vaginas.

PS: futa is not for me. But it's not like I start writing with every post that people are strange, like you do. I do not care.

 

[snakeplisskin]

I don't understand those who complain about people who like Ntr.

PS: Initially I didn't like ntr games, but then I understood why. The problem is that you vanillas identify with the protagonist, that's the problem. I stopped writing my name in the MC a long time ago, from then on I started to like the NTR as with the Vanilla version.

I dont like NTR because of the tropes that were established by Hentai. I mean to each there own but its not my cup of tea.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I dont like NTR because of the tropes that were established by Hentai. I mean to each there own but its not my cup of tea.

I just don't like watching people suffer, I empathize way too much. I've never enjoyed watching someone realize their lover was unfaithful, regardless of format. Finding joy in someone else's suffering is... antithetical to my world view.

 

[Pervinator]

I just don't like watching people suffer, I empathize way too much. I've never enjoyed watching someone realize their lover was unfaithful, regardless of format. Finding joy in someone else's suffering is... antithetical to my world view.

That's totally fine and understandable. But when you push your world view onto others, then it becomes a problem. (not talking about you specifically btw)

 

[Gambit33]

Yeah! Using drugs and fucking some guy's entire family is only okay when the MC does it!

Nice strawman argument. This is a porn game not a morality tale, some deviance from expected moral norms (you know, those silly little things that keep society from devolving into a hellish nightmare, anymore that it already is) is expected.

You want to say the mc is a hypocrite, have at it, but his crimes does not excuse what Hunter and Drew did. That excuse does not fly in any court of law.

Really Hunter and Drew are running an international prostitution ring. Here is a question, when Hunter was finally telling the truth he admitted remorse at not having groomed his daughter sooner.

So who wants to bet some of his victims are underage? And Drew is okay from turning them into prostitutes and profiting of the ruination of their lives. Let that sink in, these two are profiting from child prostitution.

Usually when someone is clutching at pearls on this site, I would be the first to tell them, to watch a horror movie or a war movie, and ask them why is it more acceptable to watch human beings being dismembered and eviscerated than porn.

But forgive me from drawing the line at brainwashing entire families (including possibly kids) into being essentially sex slaves for Hunter and Drew.

Yeah sex slaves forced to prostitute themselves, something tells me Hunter and Drew would not react to kindly to someone attempting to leave the business, would they?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Nice strawman argument.

"I do not think that word means what you think it means..."

So who wants to bet some of his victims are underage? And Drew is okay from turning them into prostitutes and profiting of the ruination of their lives. Let that sink in, these two are profiting from child prostitution.

Objection: facts not in evidence.

But forgive me from drawing the line at brainwashing entire families (including possibly kids) into being essentially sex slaves for Hunter and Drew.

Yeah sex slaves forced to prostitute themselves, something tells me Hunter and Drew would not react to kindly to someone attempting to leave the business, would they?

That's not how it works. Try reading Hunter's confession again.

 

[Gambit33]

"I do not think that word means what you think it means..."


Objection: facts not in evidence.


That's not how it works. Try reading Hunter's confession again.

Something tells me you don't know the definition of the strawman fallacy. Look it up.

Next point: Hunter outright tells you that he brainwashes entire families wives and daughters. I don't think he much cares if any of the daughters are minors.

All the while Drew is happily managing his international prostitution ring.

Next time provide some cogent counter arguments.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Something tells me you don't know the definition of the strawman fallacy. Look it up.

Next point: Hunter outright tells you that he brainwashes entire families wives and daughters. I don't think he much cares if any of the daughters are minors.

All the while Drew is happily managing his international prostitution ring.

Next time provide some cogent counter arguments.

You've got a pretty good vocabulary, but I'm not sure about your reading comprehension when it comes to my comments or this game's story.

If I'm guilty of any fallacy here it would be whataboutism. A straw man would be if I try to argue your assertion with an unrelated point, e.g. you might say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I might say "You just hate Hunter"; this would be a straw man. On the other hand, if you say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I say "Sterling is also guilty of X", I'm not necessarily trying to refute your assertion, merely trying to get you to think about the story in this game from a larger perspective.

The age of consent varies from place to place; in Iceland (the only country we specifically know where Hunter seduced a family) it's 15 years old. As for whether Hunter and Drew are seducing minors in those other families? While I wouldn't put it past them, we don't actually know, so stop guessing.

Yes, Hunter and Drew are running a prostitution ring and profiting from it, but Hunter (under the influence of the truth drug) makes it sound like the women are willing participants who are keeping a decent share of their earnings, which is a far cry from brainwashing. It's easy to moralize about prostitution and paint all the women as victims, but some women freely choose it and to claim otherwise robs them of agency. We also don't know the legality of it where all the other families are, except the first one in (aforementioned) Iceland, where paying for sex is illegal but being a prostitute is not.

Sterling is effectively doing the same things Hunter and Drew did, i.e. fucking someone else's (Caspian's) entire family, using drugs even (Kumiko's "truth" serum). He's also been "prostituting" Brenna, himself, Catherine, and soon the rest of his family by having sex on camera for money. These are obvious parallels in this story, so condemning Hunter and Drew while dismissing Sterling would be oblivious at best and hypocritical at worst.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

After chapters 6-8, there is not a single normal character in this game. everyone is whores and manwhores. let's just close the topic

 

[Gambit33]

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You've got a pretty good vocabulary, but I'm not sure about your reading comprehension when it comes to my comments or this game's story.

If I'm guilty of any fallacy here it would be whataboutism. A straw man would be if I try to argue your assertion with an unrelated point, e.g. you might say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I might say "You just hate Hunter"; this would be a straw man. On the other hand, if you say "Hunter is guilty of X" and I say "Sterling is also guilty of X", I'm not necessarily trying to refute your assertion, merely trying to get you to think about the story in this game from a larger perspective.

The age of consent varies from place to place; in Iceland (the only country we specifically know where Hunter seduced a family) it's 15 years old. As for whether Hunter and Drew are seducing minors in those other families? While I wouldn't put it past them, we don't actually know, so stop guessing.

Yes, Hunter and Drew are running a prostitution ring and profiting from it, but Hunter (under the influence of the truth drug) makes it sound like the women are willing participants who are keeping a decent share of their earnings, which is a far cry from brainwashing. It's easy to moralize about prostitution and paint all the women as victims, but some women freely choose it and to claim otherwise robs them of agency. We also don't know the legality of it where all the other families are, except the first one in (aforementioned) Iceland, where paying for sex is illegal but being a prostitute is not.

Sterling is effectively doing the same things Hunter and Drew did, i.e. fucking someone else's (Caspian's) entire family, using drugs even (Kumiko's "truth" serum). He's also been "prostituting" Brenna, himself, Catherine, and soon the rest of his family by having sex on camera for money. These are obvious parallels in this story, so condemning Hunter and Drew while dismissing Sterling would be oblivious at best and hypocritical at worst.

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And that would be fine if it was voluntary.

When Drew confronts Hunter about the methods he used (drugging) he admonished him for going "defcon1" when in Drew's opinion the mc does not warrant that reaction, moreover Drew was pissed that Hunter used those methods on family, not that those methods were distasteful to Drew.

That tells me that if Drew or Hunter set their sights on a family, that had a male figure that was not easily coerced, they would go to almost any lengths to get him to comply.

Let me reiterate, the methods employed by Drew and Hunter are the same that cults use to brainwash people.

The fact that the women later profit from being turned into prostitutes does nothing to change the fact that they did not do so of their own free will.

As for Drew and Hunter forcing minors into prostitution? They would definitely do it if they had the opportunity, and we don't know that they don't.

So stop assuming that they don't, when they had the motive(pleasure and financial gain), opportunity(statistically some of the daughters of the families they targeted must be underage) and desire to do so(Hunter admitted as such).

 

[Fayn Arawn]

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And that would be fine if it was voluntary.

When Drew confronts Hunter about the methods he used (drugging) he admonished him for going "defcon1" when in Drew's opinion the mc does not warrant that reaction, moreover Drew was pissed that Hunter used those methods on family, not that those methods were distasteful to Drew.

That tells me that if Drew or Hunter set their sights on a family, that had a male figure that was not easily coerced, they would go to almost any lengths to get him to comply.

Let me reiterate, the methods employed by Drew and Hunter are the same that cults use to brainwash people.

The fact that the women later profit from being turned into prostitutes does nothing to change the fact that they did not do so of their own free will.

As for Drew and Hunter forcing minors into prostitution? They would definitely do it if they had the opportunity, and we don't know that they don't.

So stop assuming that they don't, when they had the motive(pleasure and financial gain), opportunity(statistically some of the daughters of the families they targeted must be underage) and desire to do so(Hunter admitted as such).

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't! Let me point out there are multiple instances of Hunter saying that he always wanted to fuck Ophelia but that he had been waiting for her to turn 18. So I invoke "Hitchens' Razor" until we have actual evidence.

Speaking of minors, what are your thoughts about Nora sleeping with David and with Drew when they were both underage?

 

[Gambit33]

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't! Let me point out there are multiple instances of Hunter saying that he always wanted to fuck Ophelia but that he had been waiting for her to turn 18. So I invoke "Hitchens' Razor" until we have actual evidence.

Speaking of minors, what are your thoughts about Nora sleeping with David and with Drew when they were both underage?

I don't think it was a case of Hunter waiting for Ophelia to turn 18. It was more a case of his wife still being alive, and keeping Hunter in check.

In Davids case (is it confirmed that he was underage at the time?) it could be seen as statutory rape.

In Drew's case, Drew was an active participant who more than likely initiated the entire situation, more than likely with Hunters coaching, since Hunter viewed him as his successor.

 

[pinkie96]

I don't think it was a case of Hunter waiting for Ophelia to turn 18. It was more a case of his wife still being alive, and keeping Hunter in check.

Hunter says during his confession that the plan was always to bring Ophelia into the bedroom and that he could've had both Ophelia and Annabelle sucking his balls while watching wheal of fortune.

 

[SuddenReal]

while watching wheal of fortune.

Say what you want, but the man has his priorities straight.