Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[pinkie96]

I looked it up after seeing this.
This game is bringing in 4878$/month on patreon.
which comes out to 58,536$/year gross income.
you can live on that, barely, in 2024.

the best patreon bux I have seen one dev make on patreon was summertime saga. which briefly peaked previously at 80k in a single month before dropping some. currently it does not say how much he makes.
But it does say he has 97707 subs of which 33,314 are paying him, with a minimum pay of 1$...
so at a bare minimum he is pulling 33k/mo, 399.8k/year. probably a lot more.

How is $58,536 a year barley living? Median Income in the USA is 37,585 USD.

That cookie guy being a millionaire off of summertime saga is crazy.

 

[harem.king]

How is $58,536 a year barley living? Median Income in the USA is 37,585 USD.

inflation is a bitch like that.

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is $2,060/mo. which comes out to 24,720/year
let us take the median income of 37585. Standard deduction is $14,600 which means you are paying taxes on 22985$, except for the payroll taxes like social security which are not deducted.
That puts you at 12% federal tax bracket. so 2758.2$ to uncle sam.
plus state taxes.

plus payroll taxes which is

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and ignores deductions which means 5750.505$. if you are a proper employee you pay half and boss pays half. if you are a "contractor" (an employee with shitty boss) you pay the whole thing. Also if you are a REAL contractor too, but if you are a real contractor you should be pulling in way more than that.
For most people they are fake contractors so their boss can screw them over.
so that is 8508.7 taxes thus far + state taxes. which varies from 0% in alaska to 10%+ in new york. 10% being 2299$
oh and you then get taxed again on your property owned AND on anything you buy via sales tax.

Between income tax, payroll tax, sales tax, property taxes (house, car, etc), and assorted other taxes, uncle sam gets a nice big bite of your paycheck.
Saying you pay 30% in tax is lowballing it. and 30% of 37585$ is which is 11275.5$

37585% -taxes = 26309.5$ - rent = 1589.5$
the average household spends

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(which does not account for any eating out, which is often out of necessity due to work interfering with ability to cook). this comes out to 15,486$ / year on groceries.
1589.5$ - 15,486$ = −13,896.5$

now add in utilities, gasoline, car insurance, health insurance, healthcare (because health insurance does not pay all your healthcare and 2/3rds of americans are obese and thus sick and need care)
and you end up with negative money.
god help you if you have children.

The real indicator of economic health is how many adults move back into their mother's basement because they literally can't afford to live. As realistically the only thing you can cut out of the above equation I listed is rent.
In the great depression 52% of all adults in usa moved back into their parents due to "financial hardship".
In 2024 we already passed this figure. Currently more adults are forced to live in their mom's basement than in the great depression.
Making this the "Even Greater Depression"

Also, most so called job listings are ghost jobs. fake jobs put out by HR departments not actually looking to hire anyone. They just have fake job postings for whatever reason.

 

[dartred]

I looked it up after seeing this.
This game is bringing in 4878$/month on patreon.
which comes out to 58,536$/year gross income.
you can live on that, barely, in 2024.

the best patreon bux I have seen one dev make on patreon was summertime saga. which briefly peaked previously at 80k in a single month before dropping some. currently it does not say how much he makes.
But it does say he has 97707 subs of which 33,314 are paying him, with a minimum pay of 1$...
so at a bare minimum he is pulling 33k/mo, 399.8k/year. probably a lot more.

It's livable, but what i meant was in porn game standards. it's doing some of the best out of all VN porn games in the market. very few bring in almost 5k a month.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

inflation is a bitch like that.

You must be registered to see the links

is $2,060/mo. which comes out to 24,720/year
let us take the median income of 37585. Standard deduction is $14,600 which means you are paying taxes on 22985$, except for the payroll taxes like social security which are not deducted.
That puts you at 12% federal tax bracket. so 2758.2$ to uncle sam.
plus state taxes.

plus payroll taxes (which are double if you are "contractor"). payroll tax is

You must be registered to see the links

which means 5750.505$. if you are a proper employee you pay half and boss pays half. if you are a "contractor" (employee with shitty boss) you pay the whole thing. For most people the situation is the latter, they are false contractors. so that is 8508.7 taxes + state taxes. which varies from 0% in alaska to 10%+ in new york.
oh and you then get taxed again on your property owned AND on anything you buy via sales tax.

Between income tax, payroll tax, sales tax, property taxes (house, car, etc), and assorted other taxes, uncle sam gets a nice big bite of your paycheck.
Saying you pay 30% in tax is lowballing it. and 30% of 37585$ is which is 11275.5$

37585% -taxes = 26309.5$ - rent = 1589.5$
the average household spends

You must be registered to see the links

(which does not account for any eating out, which is often out of necessity due to work interfering with ability to cook). this comes out to 15,486$ / year on groceries.
1589.5$ - 15,486$ = −13,896.5$

now add in utilities, gasoline, car insurance, health insurance, healthcare (because health insurance does not pay all your healthcare and 2/3rds of americans are obese and thus sick and need care)
and you end up with negative money.
god help you if you have children.

The real indicator of economic health is how many adults move back into their mother's basement because they literally can't afford to live. As realistically the only thing you can cut out of the above equation I listed is rent.
In the great depression 52% of all adults in usa moved back into their parents due to "financial hardship".
In 2024 we already passed this figure. Currently more adults are forced to live in their mom's basement than in the great depression.
Making this the "Even Greater Depression"

Also, most so called job listings are ghost jobs. fake jobs put out by HR departments not actually looking to hire anyone. They just have fake job postings for whatever reason.

Oh also as a contractor you are solely responsible for payroll taxes (social security tax) which you cannot reduce by tax deductions. Even if your taxable income is 0$ after all deduction you still have to pay social security tax on your gross. because "lol fuck poor people".
Naturally almost every business out there is forcing all its employees to be falsely listed as contractors just so they can fuck them over on the payroll taxes.

I agree with your analysis, but I'd point out there are two major variables we don't know: 1) where WWG lives, as the cost of living can vary greatly based on this, and 2) if he has a working partner to share the financial burden with.

 

[harem.king]

I agree with your analysis, but I'd point out there are two major variables we don't know: 1) where WWG lives, as the cost of living can vary greatly based on this, and 2) if he has a working partner to share the financial burden with.

Fair enough.

 

[ImlerithRate]

Yeah seems dude has a trauma with NTR to the point he has been counting the ntr events in this next update XD.

Ntr is the best part of this game for me. Bro just doesn't realize what he's missing. Shame that dev is no longer making episodes for "What Ifs"

 

[indio68]

Ntr is the best part of this game for me. Bro just doesn't realize what he's missing. Shame that dev is no longer making episodes for "What Ifs"

being a cuck to me , is a total MISS...thanks god no more ntr shit..there are tons of games with that...so good as it is...what is Missing is the damn UPDATE

 

[ImlerithRate]

being a cuck to me , is a total MISS...thanks god no more ntr shit..there are tons of games with that...so good as it is...what is Missing is the damn UPDATE

No one's forcing you to be a cuck. Learn to observe the process from a third-person perspective. And distinguish between a fictional story and a real one, bud.

 

[dartred]

being a cuck to me , is a total MISS...thanks god no more ntr shit..there are tons of games with that...so good as it is...what is Missing is the damn UPDATE

How is liking to watch the in-game MC being cucked, make the player a cuck? if anything, we are the opposite, because we like to watch it happen to others.

you assume everyone is self inserting as the MC.

 

[RX-9/C]

People don't exactly have to self insert themselves as the MC. They can totally self insert themselves as Hunter, Drew or Kevin if they want to.

 

[john984]

You guys don't self insert yourself as the girls when you're with Hunter!!? (just kidding lol)

 

[DD69-1]

This line of reasoning is funny given that if you and other vanilla fans supported then you could've voted for vanilla content

not sure how it's funny, but to each their own. Just saying why I'm not subbing again till PV is in development.

Yeah seems dude has a trauma with NTR to the point he has been counting the ntr events in this next update XD.

just saying that there is less vanilla/non-ntr content this update, I'm keeping count so I know how much less main story content is available. God bless your soul if you think that's trauma related for me.

 

[dartred]

not sure how it's funny, but to each their own. Just saying why I'm not subbing again till PV is in development.

did you mean when it's out of development? it's still being developed and worked. long updates doesn't mean he's sitting around doing nothing.

just saying that there is less vanilla/non-ntr content this update, I'm keeping count so I know how much less main story content is available. God bless your soul if you think that's trauma related for me.

we don't even know that how much content. do you mean ratio to NTR? because i'm pretty sure content over all will be more compared to previous chapters, as it always has been. every update has been more content then last.

just as an example, not literal numbers. say there was 100 vanilla scenes and 4 NTR scenes last chapter. If CH 13 has 120 vanilla and 8 NTR scenes, both scenes went up, not less. ratio though, sure, NTR got a bigger ratio, but vanilla by the numbers doesn't have less scenes.

 

[darks231]

did you mean when it's out of development? it's still being developed and worked. long updates doesn't mean he's sitting around doing nothing.

we don't even know that how much content. do you mean ratio to NTR? because i'm pretty sure content over all will be more compared to previous chapters, as it always has been. every update has been more content then last.

just as an example, not literal numbers. say there was 100 vanilla scenes and 4 NTR scenes last chapter. If CH 13 has 120 vanilla and 8 NTR scenes, both scenes went up, not less. ratio though, sure, NTR got a bigger ratio, but vanilla by the numbers doesn't have less scenes.

Your friend, my friend, you seem like a reasonable person and you are absolutely right, the update will be a little bigger and well, in proportion, that means there are more scenes and that means you will also see a little more of NTR. scenes, but well I think we both understand that it is obvious but then people see a little more of ntr than normal and get very alarmed, plus if we count there are many more normal scenes than ntr in general. I don't see why they should lose their minds over an update where you have more. Otherwise, personally I'm not on any side, I just like to enjoy a good quality game.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Your friend, my friend, you seem like a reasonable person and you are absolutely right, the update will be a little bigger and well, in proportion, that means there are more scenes and that means you will also see a little more of NTR. scenes, but well I think we both understand that it is obvious but then people see a little more of ntr than normal and get very alarmed, plus if we count there are many more normal scenes than ntr in general. I don't see why they should lose their minds over an update where you have more. Otherwise, personally I'm not on any side, I just like to enjoy a good quality game.

Frankly, I don't self insert, I'm the most boring person I can think of, so there being an actual character is a big plus and since none of it is ME I can just enjoy the story, that I find to be good and funny.

 

[harem.king]

How is liking to watch the in-game MC being cucked, make the player a cuck?

Let me ask you a question, if someone masturbates to gay porn, would you say they are gay?

 

[HPZAT]

Let me ask you a question, if someone masturbates to gay porn, would you say they are gay?

Would you say that a man masturbating to lesbian porn is a lesbian? Or in the case of incest mother/daughter/sister fucker?

 

[NTR4Lyfe]

Let me ask you a question, if someone masturbates to gay porn, would you say they are gay?

Everyone knows the first rule of porn games is that whoever plays a game that contains NTR is therefore a cuck. Welcome to the club bro

 

[RX-9/C]

Let me ask you a question, if someone masturbates to gay porn, would you say they are gay?

Not really, women masturbating to that all the time and they still married men.
As for men, there are traps looking hotter than a lot of women out there irl, even if a man masturbating to it they could also just vision it as a beautiful woman having anal sex and doesn't have to be gay to enjoy it.

 

[harem.king]

Everyone knows the first rule of porn games is that whoever plays a game that contains NTR is therefore a cuck. Welcome to the club bro

Ok NGL that was pretty funny.