Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[MAGO-DAG]

Sterling needs to stand up for himself this chapter and stop letting the girls actions slide. If Sterling doesn't call out that they were literally going to kick him out again at the end of chapter 12 and get an apology then I'll be disappointed.

This is avn, and in avn the logic for forgiveness or resentment is generally rare things... I won't be surprised at all, it's just that this moment will be hammered and they'll move on

 

[Fayn Arawn]

This comment would mean that the only character that has conflict in the game is Ophelia since my whole long rant was about why she specifically is a bad character i even said that Hunter is well written he is the villain and written well as one, my best guess is that you use this has a magic dick simulator if your reading of my comment is any indication to how you read the games story, every character is established in chapter 1 and they evolve from that character through their experiences Ophelia goes from god knows how to properly describe her to oh my daughter and sister are fucking my son so i can get off like that too, lots of people make Eva out to be the slut but Ophelia kinda takes the cake on that boat with how quick she flips later, every character's progression into having sex is well laid out and makes sense Ophelia on the other hand goes from no this is wrong to "my son is a good sex toy" because she really doesn't take on the role of a mother or lover at any point maby a nymphomaniac lover which is a jarring sudden switch and it is very sudden in comparison to the time it takes other characters.

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, and then you go and write something like this lol. Ophelia is actually the BEST written character, regardless of whether you like her.

Ophelia's general behavior towards Sterling is very believable, because mothers often have trouble with the new relationship dynamics as their sons become adults. It takes time to for that relationship to evolve and for mothers to stop treating their sons like children. Also Sterling was away from home for several years, so Ophelia falls into old patterns with him because that's all she knows. One day you will understand the psychology of these things.

As far as the progression of the sexual relationship with Ophelia, I found it mostly plausible, up to the point where I had to suspend disbelief because it's incest porn. But that progression was far slower than with other characters, so I really don't understand how you can say it happened too suddenly.

 

[pinkie96]

I can agree my criticism may be a bit harsh and that Sterling needs to stand up for himself more but he is one of my favorite MCs at least top 5 but yeah i still think writing wise Ophelia is the worst character but that's just my opinion Hunter probably in this games sense writing wise i rate him 6th or 7th he is designated to be hated he is designed to be shitty and they do well to make you dislike him, do i like him no i doubt anyone does but that is what makes him such a good character in a written sense he plays his role perfectly to the point that everyone hates him, Brenna does her job of being the protective big sister, Cath does her job of being the annoying destructive ball of energy, Lucia i can't really classify how i see her but she is fun, i think some of the best reading though is between Brenna and Sterling just because there is always witty comedy which is a nice dynamic and change of pace that you don't see as much with other characters which is nice.

I don't understand. Your point isn't that Ophelia is a bad person, it's that Opehlia is a bad character because she's a bad mother?

I disagree. Ophelia is shown consistently to be an Italian mom maxer. She's constantly cooking and cleaning for everyone. She organizes the house upping their cyber defenses. Accepts guests staying long term. Organizing birthdays.

All this while her husband just died, she's being pumped full of drugs, found out her husband cheated on her, and believes he left her with nothing in his will.

 

[veriloghdl]

Actually, I've always believed Ophelia wasn’t the "perfect mother," but she’s a compelling character. She’s never been someone who proactively solves problems or takes responsibility. Before Hunter’s true nature was exposed, everyone in the family saw him as a model father. I’ve always felt that before marrying him—and even before he was discovered by David and driven away—Ophelia would turn to Hunter for help with issues in her life. But like how she watched Fifty Shades of Grey, she secretly wanted to be in control, yet often messed things up when acting independently. For a period after the marriage, Hunter remained the dominant figure in her and David’s lives. David’s diary even describes Hunter’s "guidance" on daily matters (all framed positively, of course). (By the way, I’ve always thought Hunter was a good father while Annabelle was alive, but reverted to being the opportunistic Hunter after her death.)

Ophelia’s inability to resolve problems independently is precisely why a power vacuum emerged in the family—there was no true decision-maker anymore. This makes me think the difference between Hunter and Sterling might lie in their approaches: Hunter would try to remain that decision-maker, while Sterling would empower everyone to make their own choices, ending dependency. Ophelia isn’t a flawless mother; she exhibits many childish behaviors. But this isn’t a flaw in her characterization—it’s simply who Ophelia is.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

This comment would mean that the only character that has conflict in the game is Ophelia since my whole long rant was about why she specifically is a bad character i even said that Hunter is well written he is the villain and written well as one, my best guess is that you use this has a magic dick simulator if your reading of my comment is any indication to how you read the games story, every character is established in chapter 1 and they evolve from that character through their experiences Ophelia goes from god knows how to properly describe her to oh my daughter and sister are fucking my son so i can get off like that too, lots of people make Eva out to be the slut but Ophelia kinda takes the cake on that boat with how quick she flips later, every character's progression into having sex is well laid out and makes sense Ophelia on the other hand goes from no this is wrong to "my son is a good sex toy" because she really doesn't take on the role of a mother or lover at any point maby a nymphomaniac lover which is a jarring sudden switch and it is very sudden in comparison to the time it takes other characters.

Which parent was she born from and her upbringing that's just how she behaves. I'm not saying that Ofelia doesn't have flaws as a mother, but everyone has them.
She grew up in a family where she had to ask for help herself and whose father was the dominant figure, also some upbringing and power can be passed on to their children from their mother or father, which is Ofelia trying to raise children with her difficult character...

now her husband died and her father helped her again, purely theoretically if her son hadn't returned home she would have remained a broken bird under her father's charm who she can't even imagine what awaits her in the future...

What I'm trying to say, Sterling: the prodigal son has returned home and now everything will fall into place, and Ophelia will again begin to feel like a mother and obliged. Sterling begins to do many awkward things, Ophelia reveals her maternal instinct. A single mother finds out everything, her husband did not leave her anything after his death, not only that, on top of everything, he also cheated on her, it turns out...
despite all this pressure, she kept herself in hand and despite her harsh attitude towards Sterling, her son was still next to her...

why is she contradictory leading to Sterling? Only parents know this if you look at it from a plausible sense... He is the only son whom she will cherish and scream and direct to the right path and she will certainly not tell him about it, and will not show it so that he does not increase his ego...

and Sterling in turn will slowly return his mother to a happy life, making it clear freedom of choice and love, and not just power and submission

Dude, I have a feeling you just hate Ophelia for something and not just the ones you described... just look at it from a reality standpoint

 

[pinkie96]

She has thicc thighs and massive titties. Nothing else matters.

Her face is her best feature by far

 

[frefdre]

Is each epilogue gonna be exclusive from each other? Like Sterling only pursuing that girl. Or all going to be apart of the canon harem ending, and we're just focusing on how each feel about it?

 

[pinkie96]

Is each epilogue gonna be exclusive from each other? Like Sterling only pursuing that girl. Or all going to be apart of the canon harem ending, and we're just focusing on how each feel about it?

WWG hasn't said if they're going to be branching paths or canon to each other. He did originally consider a chapter 14 with all the vanilla endings/epilogues for each girl so maybe that implies they're in the same timeline.

 

[NTR4Lyfe]

All I know is that every time Ophelia got that daddy schmeat in the ntr ends she was always in pure ecstacy. Without the insane growth hormone thing or the lucky priapism incident did Sterling ever really stand a chance? If for some reason in canon the girls were able to experience sex with both Hunter and Sterling I think they would have developed a strong preference. But at least Sterling can still be the leading man for Ophelia's femdom fantasies...right guys?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

All I know is that every time Ophelia got that daddy schmeat in the ntr ends she was always in pure ecstacy. Without the insane growth hormone thing or the lucky priapism incident did Sterling ever really stand a chance? If for some reason in canon the girls were able to experience sex with both Hunter and Sterling I think they would have developed a strong preference. But at least Sterling can still be the leading man for Ophelia's femdom fantasies...right guys?

I know it's not canon, but the girls seemed happy with a puny Sterling in that What If when he decided to accept Hunter's legacy. Hunter wasn't having sex with the girls though, so we didn't get to see a direct comparison. Considering their insatiable sex drives, I think it's probable the girls would've preferred the significantly more endowed Hunter.

Now that Sterling has reached his final form, I do wonder if the girls had sex with Hunter, would they have a preference, and maybe even stop having sex with Sterling? For instance during Kevin's ending in chapter 12, Ophelia indicated he was more enjoyable than Sterling, but I got the impression she would continue having sex with both of them.

 

[DarkKatarn]

I know it's not canon, but the girls seemed happy with a puny Sterling in that What If when he decided to accept Hunter's legacy. Hunter wasn't having sex with the girls though, so we didn't get to see a direct comparison. Considering their insatiable sex drives, I think it's probable the girls would've preferred the significantly more endowed Hunter.

Now that Sterling has reached his final form, I do wonder if the girls had sex with Hunter, would they have a preference, and maybe even stop having sex with Sterling? For instance during Kevin's ending in chapter 12, Ophelia indicated he was more enjoyable than Sterling, but I got the impression she would continue having sex with both of them.

This sounds like a what if suggestion!
What if Sterling, Kevin, and Hunter competed to see which man the girls would prefer Hunter the reigning 'dio del sesso,' or Sterling the up & coming 'emotional wetnurse;' or Kevin the former 'creep.'

 

[franzo]

Can't see how Ophelia is one of "the best" characters since she is a bitchy, judgemental hypocrite literally every worst trade aside from being a rapist, i'd argue that as a character even hunter should rate above her even though i hate him too and am not a fan of NRT.

1. Sterling comes home, Ophelia apologizes for never doing anything about the father being a prick and says she will be a better parent.

2. Uses Sterling at every opportunity and give him shit for minor things like jokes at the book club or using a sex toy, or trying to have sex after telling him to have sex.

3. Breaks his dick, shits on everyone, is the only character that is still a cunt to him about his issue that she caused and refuses to help, before you jump on the incest is wrong thing and her reaction is realistic, brenna is the one that actually tried to help him make money for the photo shoot and is the one that saved him but even Cathryn that wasn't helping him wasn't teasing him and basically telling him to just live with it, the mom that broke his dick is also the one that got rid of all the sex toys in the house causing Sterling and Brenna hand issues while riding Brenna's toy and she is the one that had Ema go on vacation.

4. When Sterling could get a bonner and had to deal with it at a moment's notice and his hand was giving issues everyone pitched and Ophilia wouldn't even offer to find a toy that could work for him, hell she didn't even go check if the toys were still in the storage before it got auctioned off because it didn't effect her specifically.

Anyone that doesn't agree list 1 time that Opelia did anything for any character in the game that is not for her OWN benefit, you know like birthday week Eva being banned is fine but Mallory that is over to help Sterling deal with his issue is less fine, she also admitted to only agreeing to Cathrin's demmands because Cath was succking her milk out so again to her own bennifit over her own Family, regarding the Mother's Day comment it wasacctually perfect timing to hate on the "best mom ever".

Had to edit to add one last joke of Ophelia's character "we can't do this it's wrong" to give Sterling a handy for a medical condition but a 4 second handy every morning before that was fine because it made her feel better, or diving on his dick to stop the cum from hitting the pillow is "a mother cleaning up after her baby" but giving him a hand job for a actual issue is "wrong" to her, if cum falling on the bedding is deserving of a blow job i'm surprised she didn't try throwing Sterling in the washing machine like bedding to get rid of his problem, or how it's fine to see her tits, suck her tits, see him naked but seeing a wet spot on her panties puts him in the wrong.


End of my rant i enjoy the story, game is good Ophelia as a character is just baffling.

she is a mom, end of the story

 

[NTR4Lyfe]

I know it's not canon, but the girls seemed happy with a puny Sterling in that What If when he decided to accept Hunter's legacy. Hunter wasn't having sex with the girls though, so we didn't get to see a direct comparison. Considering their insatiable sex drives, I think it's probable the girls would've preferred the significantly more endowed Hunter.

Now that Sterling has reached his final form, I do wonder if the girls had sex with Hunter, would they have a preference, and maybe even stop having sex with Sterling? For instance during Kevin's ending in chapter 12, Ophelia indicated he was more enjoyable than Sterling, but I got the impression she would continue having sex with both of them.

I guess the fact that she was basically cheating on Sterling and that Kevin was much more domineering with her when typically she is the one in control really sent her over the edge. Along with the fact she is supposed to hate this scumbag but yet here she is doing the most intimate of acts with him. Sterling is sweet and caring towards her respecting her boundaries and is typically good at reading the room seeing if she is comfortable at the time to move things forward, but with Sean, Kevin and Hunter they take what they want. I always think back to the very beginning of the game where she is groped by Hunter. Would she have ever let Sterling pull some shit like that? She blames it on old age but i think that's bullshit. I think she enjoyed being manhandled. Kind of curious what sex life was between Ophelia and her husband. Was the husband very vanilla? If so maybe something as simple as groping is something she wasn't used to. Which leads me to wonder if Ophelia subconsciously sees Sterling and her late husband as one and the same in some weird way? Since from what I can gather, Sterling takes after his father. For instance Brenna speaks about how Catherine and Sterling both inherited dad's pale skin(this comment from Brenna also ties into this completely seperate nutjob theory i have that WWG intentionally added a subliminal underlying interracial kink element to the game but i wont go into that right now). Is it possible that Ophelia had feelings of hatred towards her late husband that she is now subconsciously transferring over onto Sterling? I mean she found out about the Drew stuff right? Maybe she has this urge to punish Sterling for his father's wrongdoings and shortcomings on a subconscious level that's why she wants to act out her femdom fantasy but when she is presented with the total opposite in the ntr endings with other men she isn't ready for the pleasure that it brings.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Need some new what if ideas

Maybe some with Drew,Eva and Caspain

 

[indigis]

Need some new what if ideas

Maybe some with Drew,Eva and Caspain

What if..we get the game this month

 

[pinkie96]

Possible. WWG said "at least 2 months" on march 30th

 

[DeltaDragon]

Need some new what if ideas

Maybe some with Drew,Eva and Caspain

honestly I want a What If chapter 8 remaster once the game is done so it can include the rest of the girls from later chapters for Futophillia to steal xD

 

[supersan goku]

can anyone provide save files till chapter 11 plzzz

and how to use it?

 

[NachoAndCheez]

I don't think Ophelia is anywhere near to being as bad as you make out but I do agree that, despite liking her a lot, she's shitty and inconsiderate to Sterling.

Sterling needs to stand up for himself this chapter and stop letting the girls actions slide. If Sterling doesn't call out that they were literally going to kick him out again at the end of chapter 12 and get an apology then I'll be disappointed.

Just an apology feels dissapointing to me, dude has had to jump through so many hoops to get to them on a somewhat equal ground (all of them but Brenna and Ophelia specially) and don't get me wrong there was actual development with the relationship of the characters wich a ton of these games lack but now is the time for them to jump through the hoops considering that they STILL had their doubts about him at the end of chapter 12.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Just an apology feels dissapointing to me, dude has had to jump through so many hoops to get to them on a somewhat equal ground (all of them but Brenna and Ophelia specially) and don't get me wrong there was actual development with the relationship of the characters wich a ton of these games lack but now is the time for them to jump through the hoops considering that they STILL had their doubts about him at the end of chapter 12.

It's definitely been an uphill battle for Sterling. But after being vindicated at the end of chapter 12, he seems the type to forgive the girls rather than harbor resentment. Besides, what more can the girls do beyond apologizing? (Other than continuing to have sex with him, which will obviously happen.)