Negan22

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Don't misunderstand me, I'm not making moral comparisons. I'm merely pointing out that there are other perspectives beyond the naive "alpha/cuck" binary.
So you are not trying to stop people from disliking the content that you like or encourage them to like it, you are just trying to evade the cuck label?

Well ok... I do think many if not most people here like ntr and shit because of the reasons that you stated but that doesn't make me or anyone else like it.

Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC, it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
 
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Fayn Arawn

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So you are not trying to stop people from disliking the content that you like or encourage them to like it, you are just trying to evade the cuck label?

Well ok... I do think many if not most people here like ntr and shit because of the reasons that you stated but that doesn't make me or anyone else like it.
Don't worry, it was never about trying to get vanilla fans to like NTR. It's about getting anti-NTR people to shut up with their accusations. Accusations which I suspect may really be psychological projections of their own insecurities, but that's just my amateur opinion.

Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC, it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
I think I get what you mean, but again, this is the last place people should be moralizing. Stories about suffering and betrayal can appeal to someone for various reasons, regardless of how you feel about that, or if you even understand it at all.
 

Snugglepuff

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Also I do think trying to project yourself to a third person (that hardly makes an appearance in an optional NTR game) other than the MC is actually weirder than projecting yourself as the MC
We are a "third-person" though.
You're not Sterling. None of us are. Nothing in this story happens to us.

it makes it feel like you are more needy/compromised than someone who self insert as the bull MC and avoid beta MCs (this is definitely easier).
That's rhetorical nonsense.
 

strenif

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The comment that kicked this off was nothing but insults, with the cuck fans agreeing, so lets not lie. As for lose your shit your doing that thing where you imagine the other side screaming at the screen, I do not imagine you are doing that so common courtesy.

No that is self inserting. That is how writers create entertainment, especially for sex games which revolve heavily around creating scenario's the audience would want to be in, whether its fucking hot women, fucking hot men or being the cuck. If you think otherwise instead saying "uh-uh" if you are not drawing entertainment from empathising with the character or situation they are in, what is it?
Ya... No.

As far as insults go. 'Let's not lie.'
This thread goes back years, and it's full of Anti-NTR people insulting anyone who enjoys the bad ends in PV.
Don't get testy when the people being insulted push back.

On the subject of empathy vs self-inserting. You're conflating two different experiences.

Self-insertion
  • This involves seeing or placing oneself directly into the character's role within the narrative.
  • Often driven by a desire to personally experience the fictional world or interact with its characters.
  • As the reader progresses through the events of the story. The reader is imagining themselves experiencing these events.
Empathizing
  • This involves understanding and sharing the feelings, thoughts, and experiences of a character without necessarily becoming them.
  • It's about observing and processing the character's situation and emotions from their perspective, even if those feelings aren't entirely familiar or comfortable to the reader.
  • Empathy allows the reader to connect with the character on an emotional level, caring about their journey and their struggles.
In essence, self-insertion focuses on placing yourself into the story, while empathy involves understanding the character's experience from within their own frame of reference, without necessarily making their burdens your own. Empathy allows for connection and understanding while maintaining a degree of separation, fostering a sense of shared experience rather than complete integration within the narrative.

Your conflation of the two, really falls short given that this is an incest game.
Stating that people who enjoy NTR content are 'cucks' is concerning because the logic of your argument implies that you enjoy incest content because you want to fuck your mom.

I'm going to assume that isn't true. And in fact you enjoy incest games not because you find your own mother sexually attractive. But because you enjoy taboo breaking.

All this is to say.

Maybe don't kink shame people.
 

Gwimmly

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It's wild to see grown men becoming not only possessive (over what is essentially a cluster of pixels) but also emotionally fragile regarding what transpires in-game.

So we can assume that while viewing porn, not being active in the scenes would make EVERYONE a cuckold since they're watching from home?

Yeah, that's just fucking retarded.
Woahhh hold up there BUDDY boy. Brenna isn't just some pixelated piece of meat she's much more than that :HideThePain: respect her!!! Please god...let us one day be able to bring digital women to life :KEK:
 

Fayn Arawn

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Okay all that stuff is great and all but does anyone know if WWG has finally been tried for war crimes by only showing Ophelia in these two outfits only one goddamn time
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It might be fun to do a tier list of each character's outfits, to pass the time while we wait for the update. :unsure:
 

AlwaysJustM

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All this because some people don't want to accept that NTR is for betas and cuckolds;
Does anyone actually insert as the person getting NTR'd? I really imagine people who enjoy it insert as the person doing the NTR, alpha power fantasy is probably the most popular male fantasy. You might be thinking of netori...

If anyone is actually imagining themselves as the person being NTR'd that's... horrible. I do not even mean that as a kink shame as that's not even a kink. That's just some scary levels of self-loathing.

Seriously, no judgement if that's any of you, just genuine sympathy. Also, here's a hug. <-(^_^)->
 

Snugglepuff

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But what if a Zone user's Name is Sterling? Would that change something? :unsure::ROFLMAO:
Yes... I'd just rub in that he's a Sterling and not the Sterling who's deep-dicking all these lovely ladies.
In essence, Sterling would then be cucking Sterling, right in front of Sterling's eyes. Sterlingception! :devilish: :LOL:

Does anyone actually insert as the person getting NTR'd?
There are definitely people who have a cuckold kink, because cuckold porn exists.

I really imagine people who enjoy it insert as the person doing the NTR, alpha power fantasy is probably the most popular male fantasy.
I think the majority of us do trend toward that, but there's still more than enough who indulge in the fantasy of being the cuck.

I do not even mean that as a kink shame as that's not even a kink. That's just some scary levels of self-loathing.
It is a kink, and you're judging it and the people to whom it applies, negatively... Which is kink shaming.

Seriously, no judgement
Bit late for that.:LOL:

if that's any of you, just genuine sympathy. Also, here's a hug. <-(^_^)->
No, no, you're doing it wrong. You need to hug their woman in front of them, whilst they're chained down in chastity and gagged.:devilish:
 
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Woahhh hold up there BUDDY boy. Brenna isn't just some pixelated piece of meat she's much more than that :HideThePain: respect her!!! Please god...let us one day be able to bring digital women to life :KEK:
Brenna is special. The scene from What If 6 when she's riding Hunter in cowgirl is magnificent.
 
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Has Chapter 13 not been released yet? Did the developer give up on the project after the last chapter? Does anyone know anything?
 

AlwaysJustM

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There are definitely people who have a cuckold kink, because cuckold porn exists.
I genuinely may be mixing up the definitions, lol. I thought NTR was basically getting cheated on, betrayal. The person getting NTR'd, like Sterling would be in the story, does not want it nor enjoy it if it happens.

That's why I said it wouldn't be a kink because for Sterling (or any person being NTR'd) it wouldn't be a turn on. I thought it by definition had to be something the victim was not into.

I thought Netori (feels spelled wrong) was "sharing" like the Diddler. Being into watching your partner with someone else. That's what I thought "cuckold" porn was.

I may have it all mixed up. My apologies to any shame victims. We all dogs here! I just would not even know how to process the idea of wanting to watch things happen to you that you don't want to happen to you... but it seems sad. :HideThePain:

No, no, you're doing it wrong. You need to hug their woman in front of them, whilst they're chained down in chastity and gagged.:devilish:
Yeah! THIS is what I thought the NTR fantasy was. :ROFLMAO:
 
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obibobi

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Your thesis seems to be that the audience has to pick one character to empathize with. I am saying they can empathize with more than one, or even none at all. Why cant you empathize with my point of view? :cry:

No it doesn't, people just have favorites and typically want more of that. People typically don't want pov of characters they dislike.

Because I don't like you :cool:
 
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