Drearash

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I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb and guess that David is the father, that he had an incestuous relationship with Keira that explains 1) his anger at her being "taken" from him, and 2) Lucia's neurodivergent issues.
Doesn't seem like this scenario explains much at all, and would raise more questions than it would answer.

1) This doesn't really need an explanation that we do not already have. Keira was David's sister and he loved her. Why wouldn't he be angry at what he alleges happened to her?

2) How would your scenario explain Lucia's neurodivergent issues? I hope you aren't going for "incest always produces freaks in just one generation" trope. It doesn't really work that way.
 
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Fayn Arawn

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Doesn't seem like this scenario explains much at all, and would raise more questions than it would answer.

1) This doesn't really need an explanation that we do not already have. Keira was David's sister and he loved her. Why wouldn't he be angry at what he alleges happened to her?

2) How would your scenario explain Lucia's neurodivergent issues? I hope you aren't going for "incest always produces freaks in just one generation" trope. It doesn't really work that way.
I thought I made it clear that it was a wild guess?

Anyway, I've been hung up on this line from David's journal: "He turned Drew... a mere child... into a man who could tear a woman's heart away from her only brother and son." That sounds suspiciously possessive to me, especially talking about "the heart". It would be interesting to me if David had some kind of guilt over his own incestuous relationship, and was projecting that onto Sterling (on top of the suspicions regarding the Dio del Sesso legacy).

I also think the clues about Hunter or Drew being Lucia's father may be a red herring, and the upcoming DNA test may reveal that it was David. This would give Ophelia a different reason to be upset over his infidelity, instead of learning about the affair with Drew. I'm considering this only because I assume Drew will be around for a little while, and I don't know how to reconcile that with revealing the affair to Ophelia.

I was trying to be sensitive with "neurodivergent", no need to start an argument about the science of incest. Agree to disagree, but PV plays loose with science anyway so who cares?
 
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Yeah, people are going to overlook just how much is in this update and cry about how long each update is taking to release. Never taking into consideration the amount of work it takes.
 

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I thought I made it clear that it was a wild guess?

Anyway, I've been hung up on this line from David's journal: "He turned Drew... a mere child... into a man who could tear a woman's heart away from her only brother and son." That sounds suspiciously possessive to me, especially talking about "the heart".
David is already established as having been controlling, and it is suggested that he had abandonment and trust issues. His father left when he was a kid, and it was just him and the women growing up. Again, I see no need to posit an incest angle with Keira to account for this, and as I said, it raises more questions than it answers.

From a storytelling perspective, I think it would be an incredible waste of time to build up David's legacy and posthumous reveal, only to have it be some sort of elaborate deception. Especially when everything else he writes in that journal checks out to a tee.

What you're suggesting isn't impossible. It just strikes me as needlessly convoluted, especially when we probably only have a couple more chapters to go.

It would be interesting to me if David had some kind of guilt over his own incestuous relationship, and was projecting that onto Sterling (on top of the suspicions regarding the Dio del Sesso legacy).

I also think the clues about Hunter or Drew being Lucia's father may be a red herring, and the upcoming DNA test may reveal that it was David.
Why do you think that?

This would give Ophelia a different reason to be upset over his infidelity, instead of learning about the affair with Drew.
Why does she need a different reason?

I'm considering this only because I assume Drew will be around for a little while, and I don't know how to reconcile that with revealing the affair to Ophelia.
What is there to "reconcile"? I'm not following the thought process. Revealing the affair while Drew is still around seems like a perfectly valid way to bring the plot to crisis, which is a good thing this late in the game IMO.

I was trying to be sensitive with "neurodivergent", no need to start an argument about the science of incest.
Sure, because nothing says sensitivity about mental illness like framing it as a punishment or curse for past misdeeds.

Agree to disagree, but PV plays loose with science anyway so who cares?
So far it's just your idea, not WWG's.
 

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David is already established as having been controlling, and it is suggested that he had abandonment and trust issues. His father left when he was a kid, and it was just him and the women growing up. Again, I see no need to posit an incest angle with Keira to account for this, and as I said, it raises more questions than it answers.
What's wrong with raising more questions? It's called a plot twist. Also, David stepping into the role of an absent father figure would parallel Sterling's story poetically.

From a storytelling perspective, I think it would be an incredible waste of time to build up David's legacy and posthumous reveal, only to have it be some sort of elaborate deception. Especially when everything else he writes in that journal checks out to a tee.
After learning David had a small dick and got fucked in the ass by Drew, what "legacy" is there to protect? Isn't Sterling supplanting his father, i.e. filling the "power vacuum"? How would making David a sympathetic, tragic character serve the story better than utterly destroying his reputation?

What you're suggesting isn't impossible. It just strikes me as needlessly convoluted, especially when we probably only have a couple more chapters to go.
If the game is almost over, then I agree. But I'm hoping we get a couple more chapters, which means we need more plot twists.

Why do you think that?
... Because I'm a critical thinker and don't automatically take everything at face value?

Why does she need a different reason?

What is there to "reconcile"? I'm not following the thought process. Revealing the affair while Drew is still around seems like a perfectly valid way to bring the plot to crisis, which is a good thing this late in the game IMO.
I don't know why you can't follow my thought process through a whole paragraph? Ophelia doesn't need a different reason, but the story may. If Ophelia finds out about the affair this soon then Drew is most likely out, which seems like a waste right after she showed up. If the game is wrapping up soon then yes, my point would be moot.

Sure, because nothing says sensitivity about mental illness like framing it as a punishment or curse for past misdeeds.
I'm trying to have a conversation in good faith but you're making a strawman argument here. Besides, you said yourself:
I hope you aren't going for "incest always produces freaks in just one generation" trope. It doesn't really work that way.
... No, incest doesn't always cause defects, but it does sometimes, doesn't it?

So far it's just your idea, not WWG's.
I'm glad you're here to tell me these things, after I already said so multiple times. I'm only offering mere speculation based on admittedly flimsy evidence. I'd be happy to be wrong, just to be surprised by the story.

You seem overly defensive about David and Lucia, why is that?
 
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What's wrong with raising more questions? It's called a plot twist.
You pitched your idea as having explanatory value, as making sense of the plot so far. My point is that it really doesn't.

Also, David stepping into the role of an absent father figure would parallel Sterling's story poetically.
What do you mean? David already has the role of an absent father figure. And having him be Lucia's absent father, in addition to already being Sterling's, Brenna's, and Catherine's, wouldn't be a "poetic" parallel; it would be a completely literal commonality.

After learning David had a small dick and got fucked in the ass by Drew, what "legacy" is there to protect?

Isn't Sterling supplanting his father, i.e. filling the "power vacuum"? How would making David a sympathetic, tragic character serve the story better than utterly destroying his reputation?
I meant "legacy" in the prosaic sense of "bequest", not the figurative sense of "memory" or "posthumous reputation." The stuff in the safe left for Sterling.

The reading of David's will, the mystery of what's in the safe, is all built up to as something momentous. And the payoff for that buildup is the revelations contained in the journal. Your proposal would make that payoff for naught, a pointless red herring. I'm not feeling this as a cool, interesting twist.

If the game is almost over, then I agree. But I'm hoping we get a couple more chapters, which means we need more plot twists.


... Because I'm a critical thinker and don't automatically take everything at face value?
That doesn't really answer the question.

I don't know why you can't follow my thought process through a whole paragraph? Ophelia doesn't need a different reason, but the story may. If Ophelia finds out about the affair this soon then Drew is most likely out, which seems like a waste right after she showed up. If the game is wrapping up soon then yes, my point would be moot.
That assumes that Sterling goes to Ophelia with these revelations right away, as opposed to, for example, trying to play the hero and foil Drew and Hunter's machinations on his own while shielding the "girls" from what he's learned. There are all sorts of ways to spin out the drama without needless fake-out twists that negate previous setups and payoffs (e.g. Surprise! David's journal was all a lie! Surprise! it was all a dream!).

I'm trying to have a conversation in good faith but you're making a strawman argument here.
You led with the idea that assigning blame for Lucia's "neurodivergent issues" is some sort of selling point, then turned around and congratulated yourself for being "sensitive" in how you handled said issues. That's not a strawman; that's what you said.

You seem overly defensive about David and Lucia, why is that?
You got me. It's because *I'm* really Lucia's father.
 
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New. The teasers today are all completely new teasers for NTR scenes we haven't been teased for yet.
I see, so just have to ask... Seems like this chapter has more NTR scenes compared to the pervious chapters where there is 2 ntr scenes...? In that sense...?
 

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I see, so just have to ask... Seems like this chapter has more NTR scenes compared to the pervious chapters where there is 2 ntr scenes...? In that sense...?
A few of us on the discord are saying that we think there is a possibility that there are up to 4 bad ends this chapter.

Edit: Well now that the teasers are out, here are the 4 that I think at least

1. Rebecca
2. Brenna (with Drew)
3. Brenna and Ophelia (with Hunter)
4. Tiff (with Hunter)

I could be wrong and some of these scenes can just be from 1 bad end at different times.
 

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A few of us on the discord are saying that we think there is a possibility that there are up to 4 bad ends this chapter.
Wow! That's... Really something to look forward to! Always find how one small choice can lead to such big difference. Funny and hot at the same time.
 

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A few of us on the discord are saying that we think there is a possibility that there are up to 4 bad ends this chapter.

Edit: Well now that the teasers are out, here are the 4 that I think at least

1. Rebecca
2. Brenna (with Drew)
3. Brenna and Ophelia (with Hunter)
4. Tiff (with Hunter)

I could be wrong and some of these scenes can just be from 1 bad end at different times.
I remember this same kind of rumors last update. Is there any theory why it would be different this time ?
 
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