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If I were to guess, I don't think it will come out before 11th of January since we are still missing some NTR teasers that explicitly indicate the theme is NTR. We've definitely had some teasers for this update showing Hunter and one that maybe it hid in the name of the images the NTR theme but the last two updates needed to have the explicit NTR teasers just before the release itself. Though correct me if I'm wrong here, especially you Dartred since you're the expert here 
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I think the teaser with Hunter IS the NTR teaser. One of them at least. Hunter doesn't just randomly show up in teasers unless it's for NTR. So we can safely assume this scene is a bad end.
With release being next month, we definitely should have gotten NTR teasers already. Which i would assume would be 2 or maybe all 3 of these.
1. No Title required (because it spells NTR)
2. Brenna's Past, Drew's Present, MC's Future?
3. Hunter's Final Solution
Hunters Teaser being my strong pick for a bad end. The Drew one is tricky. That could be a red herring and the real Drew teaser is "The Spit Test".
I would also like to point out, that all the possible NTR choices are back to back. So it does follow the usual rule that the teasers are usually just before release.
You can match the names to the teasers here
https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-what-if-vol-8-ntr-what-why-games.36240/post-9237071
With release being next month, we definitely should have gotten NTR teasers already. Which i would assume would be 2 or maybe all 3 of these.
1. No Title required (because it spells NTR)
2. Brenna's Past, Drew's Present, MC's Future?
3. Hunter's Final Solution
Hunters Teaser being my strong pick for a bad end. The Drew one is tricky. That could be a red herring and the real Drew teaser is "The Spit Test".
I would also like to point out, that all the possible NTR choices are back to back. So it does follow the usual rule that the teasers are usually just before release.
You can match the names to the teasers here
https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-what-if-vol-8-ntr-what-why-games.36240/post-9237071
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Damn, we did get some new teasers while I was busy lol.
I guess I can analize the various teasers while I'm at it:
Making it Up: While I do not mind the addition of other female characters as much as other people seem to do (mostly due to a quantity over quality scenario), I'd actually like if the MC didn't break Amber's heart by fucking her sister on the same day he went to her to apologize for fucking her best friend. Mostly because I kinda find Amber endearing and if anything happened to her I'd hope Catherine kills everyone in the room and then herself.
I can see a potential NTR ending here mind you, with Amber getting herself, Ophelia and Catherine fucked in revenge for the MC fucking her mom and sister if the MC isn't careful about it in some weird Eye for an Eye scenario, but honestly? I'd gretaly prefer if this lead to a second D&D campaign, between Amber the DM, Catherine, the MC, Rebecca, and Amber's sister. Because I like D&D mostly.
No Title Required: I think author is baiting Dog content big time here, both due to the fully rendered dog model and the dog cock dildo. Rebecca did set up on her release that she's been working at her grandma's farm mind you, so "farm animal" porn wouldn't be out of the question between Dogs, Horses and Pigs, but 1) I don't think Patreon would allow that (There is always Lewd Patcher tho) and 2) Didn't the Robot make a joke about how the MC face planting against Hunter's rigor mortis cock would force him to add a bunch of tags to the game and he can't be hassled to do it during one of the NTR endings? He'd either need to make a call back to that by adding the Bestiality tag here, or that's a massive breach of the in game lore.
This to say, we can still assume this will be NTR content mind you, the real question is from whom? If it's not the dog, and there is no man on the Farm but Sterling...
With that said, dig the new look for Rebecca, hopefuly she's getting some actual abbs and guns now, make her beefy, also the homophobia bit should be adressed because I'm pretty sure as she is now Rebecca will straight up say a slur to Drew if she were to meet her.
Spit Test: This one I already talked about, but from the teasers it looks like Lucia's mom is still in Canada and is on a call with her daughter, so still no fucking that member of the family. The scene seems to be about Lucia confronting her about the identity of her father, or at least so it seems, leading to the confrontation with Drew for her DNA for the test. Drew doesn't seem forthcoming about it, but I still believe the actual reason she looks angry/shocked is because either 1) She doesn't actually expect to have fathered Lucia and it comes as a shock to her or 2) Sterling is actually confronting her about the E-Mails as a prelude to when he spills the beans to Ophelia.
Brenna's Past, Drew's Present, MC's Future: After a cursory clance on this discussion board I haven't seen anyone make the most obvious assumption: The side piece Drew is fucking was one of Brenna's high school or university peers. Hence her recognizing Brenna and being excited to meet her right after getting fucked by Drew, and Brenna's disconfort. Brenna mentions multiple of her ex classmates all the way back in Chapter 1 after all. The title is therefore a reference to that, the girl used to be Brenna's past, is currently Drew's present, and might become the MC's future. The reference might also be a possible "force femmed" scenario of course, with the MC being turned into a woman and a lover of Drew, but how would that be Brenna's past? Also, again, we don't have the correct tags for that (unfortunately).
Hunter's Final Solution: Again, either Mind Control (Of the "become complicit" or "become neutered" kind) or straight up body jacking ala Superior Spider-Man. No idea how you prevent it mind you since you're tied up and unable to move or resist.
Tuck In Time: This is another one I haven't seen many people talk about. Like, come on, this is another perfect NTR set up, down to the title. Tuck In Time? A play on Catherine "tucking in" Brenna to sleep while also being eerily similar to how Drew's cock is tucked in so she can hide it? Right in the middle of a chapter dealing with Lucia and Drew's relationship? At some point during this plotline you'll be given a choice between stay with character X and do stuff with them, or get back to bed with Lucia to keep her Circadian Rythm in check, and if you refuse to go to bed with her you can expect her to find herself the next best thing to satiate her need, her need forspeed incestuous cock. And from a trans woman no less, which is another of her kinks.
You've got Male Emails: Self explenatory, MC shows Ophelia proof of David's infidelity. The images being named "where does this go?" implies this might lead to vaginal sex with Ophelia.
Couples Shopping: Nothing much to say here, it's just a pretext to have the MC finally get another outfit. There seem to be some Femdom stuff being teased which honestly YES, we need more femdom ffs.
Middlewoman: I think this is actually a re-run of that one scene in the most recent what if about Ophelia finding the MC and Aliza fucking and her fucking Aliza as punishment, but instead of having a mind breaking futa cock she decides to use her son's as a makeshift strap-on. Aliza is also seemingly watching another house game in her basement? Anyone knows what that's from?
Nurse Jack-Me: THE NURSE FROM THE BLIND AND DEAF NTR ENDING IS FINALLY HERE, YES, YES, FINALLY, THANK FUCK.
Now please please please Do Nnenna from What If 5 next, we have a fucking interracial tag game FUCKING USE IT or what is the MC being Irish-Italian the actual Interracial part? Didn't know the game was set in the 1920s.
Catherine Catering: Brenna, can I say, looks really nice here. From the spoiler salad we can tell this night will end in a fight between Brenna and her Sister mind you, but I like both of their outfits honestly. A shame Sterling couldn't dress up even a fucking little tho. Put him in some slutty chipendale outfit.
Images are named "RevisedBuildFiveUnderReview," a secret code? Or just some random words?
A Taste for Adventure: Continuation of the Mallory Eva plotline, leading to Ophelia Vs Eva sex fight hopefuly (As in, who gets the other to cum first wins, it's mostly a continuation of sex wrestling stories).
(Which, side note? Extremely random pairing Mallory and Eva not gona lie, this is like if someone did, like, a Friends Porn Parody and had Phoebe and Ross fuck, if you pardon my Community reference. Not that it doesn't work mind you, just really out of nowhere of all potential pairings. I would have expected Catherine to hate fuck Eva first).
Slime and Punishment: Positioning of the second picture makes it clear, Brenna is using Lucia's Sibian in Ophelia's room again, she gets spanked as a result. The title being "what happens next" might imply this is a direct continuation of her adventure with Eva, making Ophelia more open to lesbian sex acts.
Side note, the MC being completely missing from both scenes gives credence to my opinion that this was never an house game to begin with, and we were never controlling the MC, we are just vouyeristic spectators of his life, and our only power is in deciding in whatever he gets cucked or not. With the walls being hollow and free of Hunter, walls filled with Cameras too, we have simply cut the middle man and we are simply enjoying those characters like any of Hunter's "clients" would, if in a safe, sane ad consensual silmulated enviroment, another point in my theory that this game is, ultimately, a subtle and clever critique of the House Game Genre.
Rubbing off on Brenna: Images are titled "what is she writing?" which remind me of the "WHAT WAS HE COOKING?" Thanos Endgame Thumbnail meme. Anyway, spoilers seem to lead to the hotel girl getting fucked, but I'm assuming this will be another Penny situation where she gets burned and removed from the Harem while doing so.
Dinner and a Smokeshow: You know, I know they can't, like, give us an actual Cancer Patient model and shit, but as someone whose mother did unfortunately have to battle cancer for 10 long years before unfortunately succumbing to it, Tiff's mother looks extremely well for someone that is both riddeld with medical debt (thank fuck we live in Italy and we didn't have to go through THAT too) as well as, well, Cancer.
Like, I wouldn't want to think Tiff is, like, lying about it to get money or some shit, maybe she needs it for her degree and she thought making a sob story would have gotten her more money, but Peyton also seemed to think Tiff's mother was dying of cancer too...
And if it's a lie, why invite the MC to dinner in the first place? In their... surprisingly middle class house too...
Uh?
Expanding Bodies and Minds: I guess we're doing a psychedelic drugs episode again, probably a spiritual continuation of the Catherine MC Hunter Meditation Plotline. Also I'm glad the mentor's model is an old woman, we're 99% sure ain't fucking her yes but it's nice to see some more body diversity and shit.
Side note, imagine the plot twist, the old woman mentor is the bearer of her own vaguely esoteric tantric legacy from Japan, wanting for Amber's sister to become her apprentice after making her mother's one (hence her seemingly not aging), and she and Hunter have, like, a weird fucked up battle together for dominance in a Italy vs Japan battle to the finish as revenge for that one timeline where Hunter "stole" Kumiko away from her in the Blind and Deaf bad ending because she can see every timeline and every reality as the Mystical One-
And then we get back to the present and the real world after the weird drug trip and we find out she isn't any of that, she's just a normal ass masseuse, if a very well experienced one, and it's Catherine and Sterling's subconsciously "orientalist" prejudice that decided for them to turn her into this strange mystical woman in their drug trip. They get chastited for it and apologize for being insensitive, the old woman begrudgingly aknoweledging their contrition before leaving the house for good.
Cut to Hunter waking up in a cold sweat from his cabin in the woods where he retreated now that Drew is there after having to engage in 4 hours of psychic battle within the confines of his mind with that one fox spirit that got released from that one rock in Japan and who went to orchestrate the assassination of Shinzo Abe and later kill Queen Elizabeth, you fucking know the one.
Anyway, this was my analysis of future content, we'll see next year how much I managed to get right.
I guess I can analize the various teasers while I'm at it:
Making it Up: While I do not mind the addition of other female characters as much as other people seem to do (mostly due to a quantity over quality scenario), I'd actually like if the MC didn't break Amber's heart by fucking her sister on the same day he went to her to apologize for fucking her best friend. Mostly because I kinda find Amber endearing and if anything happened to her I'd hope Catherine kills everyone in the room and then herself.
I can see a potential NTR ending here mind you, with Amber getting herself, Ophelia and Catherine fucked in revenge for the MC fucking her mom and sister if the MC isn't careful about it in some weird Eye for an Eye scenario, but honestly? I'd gretaly prefer if this lead to a second D&D campaign, between Amber the DM, Catherine, the MC, Rebecca, and Amber's sister. Because I like D&D mostly.
No Title Required: I think author is baiting Dog content big time here, both due to the fully rendered dog model and the dog cock dildo. Rebecca did set up on her release that she's been working at her grandma's farm mind you, so "farm animal" porn wouldn't be out of the question between Dogs, Horses and Pigs, but 1) I don't think Patreon would allow that (There is always Lewd Patcher tho) and 2) Didn't the Robot make a joke about how the MC face planting against Hunter's rigor mortis cock would force him to add a bunch of tags to the game and he can't be hassled to do it during one of the NTR endings? He'd either need to make a call back to that by adding the Bestiality tag here, or that's a massive breach of the in game lore.
This to say, we can still assume this will be NTR content mind you, the real question is from whom? If it's not the dog, and there is no man on the Farm but Sterling...
With that said, dig the new look for Rebecca, hopefuly she's getting some actual abbs and guns now, make her beefy, also the homophobia bit should be adressed because I'm pretty sure as she is now Rebecca will straight up say a slur to Drew if she were to meet her.
Spit Test: This one I already talked about, but from the teasers it looks like Lucia's mom is still in Canada and is on a call with her daughter, so still no fucking that member of the family. The scene seems to be about Lucia confronting her about the identity of her father, or at least so it seems, leading to the confrontation with Drew for her DNA for the test. Drew doesn't seem forthcoming about it, but I still believe the actual reason she looks angry/shocked is because either 1) She doesn't actually expect to have fathered Lucia and it comes as a shock to her or 2) Sterling is actually confronting her about the E-Mails as a prelude to when he spills the beans to Ophelia.
Brenna's Past, Drew's Present, MC's Future: After a cursory clance on this discussion board I haven't seen anyone make the most obvious assumption: The side piece Drew is fucking was one of Brenna's high school or university peers. Hence her recognizing Brenna and being excited to meet her right after getting fucked by Drew, and Brenna's disconfort. Brenna mentions multiple of her ex classmates all the way back in Chapter 1 after all. The title is therefore a reference to that, the girl used to be Brenna's past, is currently Drew's present, and might become the MC's future. The reference might also be a possible "force femmed" scenario of course, with the MC being turned into a woman and a lover of Drew, but how would that be Brenna's past? Also, again, we don't have the correct tags for that (unfortunately).
Hunter's Final Solution: Again, either Mind Control (Of the "become complicit" or "become neutered" kind) or straight up body jacking ala Superior Spider-Man. No idea how you prevent it mind you since you're tied up and unable to move or resist.
Tuck In Time: This is another one I haven't seen many people talk about. Like, come on, this is another perfect NTR set up, down to the title. Tuck In Time? A play on Catherine "tucking in" Brenna to sleep while also being eerily similar to how Drew's cock is tucked in so she can hide it? Right in the middle of a chapter dealing with Lucia and Drew's relationship? At some point during this plotline you'll be given a choice between stay with character X and do stuff with them, or get back to bed with Lucia to keep her Circadian Rythm in check, and if you refuse to go to bed with her you can expect her to find herself the next best thing to satiate her need, her need for
You've got Male Emails: Self explenatory, MC shows Ophelia proof of David's infidelity. The images being named "where does this go?" implies this might lead to vaginal sex with Ophelia.
Couples Shopping: Nothing much to say here, it's just a pretext to have the MC finally get another outfit. There seem to be some Femdom stuff being teased which honestly YES, we need more femdom ffs.
Middlewoman: I think this is actually a re-run of that one scene in the most recent what if about Ophelia finding the MC and Aliza fucking and her fucking Aliza as punishment, but instead of having a mind breaking futa cock she decides to use her son's as a makeshift strap-on. Aliza is also seemingly watching another house game in her basement? Anyone knows what that's from?
Nurse Jack-Me: THE NURSE FROM THE BLIND AND DEAF NTR ENDING IS FINALLY HERE, YES, YES, FINALLY, THANK FUCK.
Now please please please Do Nnenna from What If 5 next, we have a fucking interracial tag game FUCKING USE IT or what is the MC being Irish-Italian the actual Interracial part? Didn't know the game was set in the 1920s.
Catherine Catering: Brenna, can I say, looks really nice here. From the spoiler salad we can tell this night will end in a fight between Brenna and her Sister mind you, but I like both of their outfits honestly. A shame Sterling couldn't dress up even a fucking little tho. Put him in some slutty chipendale outfit.
Images are named "RevisedBuildFiveUnderReview," a secret code? Or just some random words?
A Taste for Adventure: Continuation of the Mallory Eva plotline, leading to Ophelia Vs Eva sex fight hopefuly (As in, who gets the other to cum first wins, it's mostly a continuation of sex wrestling stories).
(Which, side note? Extremely random pairing Mallory and Eva not gona lie, this is like if someone did, like, a Friends Porn Parody and had Phoebe and Ross fuck, if you pardon my Community reference. Not that it doesn't work mind you, just really out of nowhere of all potential pairings. I would have expected Catherine to hate fuck Eva first).
Slime and Punishment: Positioning of the second picture makes it clear, Brenna is using Lucia's Sibian in Ophelia's room again, she gets spanked as a result. The title being "what happens next" might imply this is a direct continuation of her adventure with Eva, making Ophelia more open to lesbian sex acts.
Side note, the MC being completely missing from both scenes gives credence to my opinion that this was never an house game to begin with, and we were never controlling the MC, we are just vouyeristic spectators of his life, and our only power is in deciding in whatever he gets cucked or not. With the walls being hollow and free of Hunter, walls filled with Cameras too, we have simply cut the middle man and we are simply enjoying those characters like any of Hunter's "clients" would, if in a safe, sane ad consensual silmulated enviroment, another point in my theory that this game is, ultimately, a subtle and clever critique of the House Game Genre.
Rubbing off on Brenna: Images are titled "what is she writing?" which remind me of the "WHAT WAS HE COOKING?" Thanos Endgame Thumbnail meme. Anyway, spoilers seem to lead to the hotel girl getting fucked, but I'm assuming this will be another Penny situation where she gets burned and removed from the Harem while doing so.
Dinner and a Smokeshow: You know, I know they can't, like, give us an actual Cancer Patient model and shit, but as someone whose mother did unfortunately have to battle cancer for 10 long years before unfortunately succumbing to it, Tiff's mother looks extremely well for someone that is both riddeld with medical debt (thank fuck we live in Italy and we didn't have to go through THAT too) as well as, well, Cancer.
Like, I wouldn't want to think Tiff is, like, lying about it to get money or some shit, maybe she needs it for her degree and she thought making a sob story would have gotten her more money, but Peyton also seemed to think Tiff's mother was dying of cancer too...
And if it's a lie, why invite the MC to dinner in the first place? In their... surprisingly middle class house too...
Uh?
Expanding Bodies and Minds: I guess we're doing a psychedelic drugs episode again, probably a spiritual continuation of the Catherine MC Hunter Meditation Plotline. Also I'm glad the mentor's model is an old woman, we're 99% sure ain't fucking her yes but it's nice to see some more body diversity and shit.
Side note, imagine the plot twist, the old woman mentor is the bearer of her own vaguely esoteric tantric legacy from Japan, wanting for Amber's sister to become her apprentice after making her mother's one (hence her seemingly not aging), and she and Hunter have, like, a weird fucked up battle together for dominance in a Italy vs Japan battle to the finish as revenge for that one timeline where Hunter "stole" Kumiko away from her in the Blind and Deaf bad ending because she can see every timeline and every reality as the Mystical One-
And then we get back to the present and the real world after the weird drug trip and we find out she isn't any of that, she's just a normal ass masseuse, if a very well experienced one, and it's Catherine and Sterling's subconsciously "orientalist" prejudice that decided for them to turn her into this strange mystical woman in their drug trip. They get chastited for it and apologize for being insensitive, the old woman begrudgingly aknoweledging their contrition before leaving the house for good.
Cut to Hunter waking up in a cold sweat from his cabin in the woods where he retreated now that Drew is there after having to engage in 4 hours of psychic battle within the confines of his mind with that one fox spirit that got released from that one rock in Japan and who went to orchestrate the assassination of Shinzo Abe and later kill Queen Elizabeth, you fucking know the one.
Anyway, this was my analysis of future content, we'll see next year how much I managed to get right.
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The game from Aliza’s TV is called Milfy City, a true classic, but unfortunately abandoned.
According to his discord server, Milfy City is still in development. He posts preview renders there.
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"Couples Shopping", emphasis on couples. I think this scene is more significant, it looks to me like Ophelia is shopping for special lingerie for the big night when she gives herself fully to Sterling.
WWG often names preview images after something else going on at the time, in this case I think it had to do with the Patreon drama.
IIRC, Tiff's mom was a candidate for some kind of miracle cure, it was just very expensive.
... And I've got swampland in Florida to sell you!
You get that feeling about Rebbeca & the dog two huh?
I'm happy about the nurse too. But I'm confused doesn't Sterling doing it with Amber and her mother (sister too I would guess) count as interracial as he is white & they are Asian?
While the theory with Tiff & her mum could be interesting I think in this case you might be overthinking it. Not impossible but very improbable. But hey if I'm wrong & that is the case fair play to you for getting it right.
Dude where the hell did that last bit come from? Sounds like you yourself had a fever dream. Not that it's not cool just came out of left field is all.
Big Question for everyone though, Who do you want to be Lucia's dad?
*1: Hunter.
*2: Drew.
*3: Nither.
Me I'd prefer 3 if only that would make the crackiest What-If idea I've ever had for this game more viable.
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I'm gonna go waaay out on a limb and guess that David is the father, that he had an incestuous relationship with Keira that explains 1) his anger at her being "taken" from him, and 2) Lucia's neurodivergent issues.
Not a bad pick would be an interesting curveball. Certainly more than what I would do if possible (what if only sadly) but yeah I like that idea.
BTB if we took all the possible contenders to the role how would that affect how Lucia is related to Sterling? For example, if it's Hunter that makes her his cousin AND his aunt? I'm not sure on all the possible combinations here.
BTB if we took all the possible contenders to the role how would that affect how Lucia is related to Sterling? For example, if it's Hunter that makes her his cousin AND his aunt? I'm not sure on all the possible combinations here.
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If Lucia's father is Hunter, then yes she would be Sterling's cousin and aunt.
If Lucia's father is Drew, then she would be Sterling's cousin on both sides.
If Lucia's father is David, then she would be Sterling's cousin and (half) sister.
If Lucia's father is Drew, then she would be Sterling's cousin on both sides.
If Lucia's father is David, then she would be Sterling's cousin and (half) sister.
Which do you think would get Lucia hornier being his aunt or his sister? Also, I forget is she younger or older than Sterling?
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I believe it was mentioned in game that Lucia was born a couple months after Sterling, so she's (slightly) younger.
Which would make her hornier, as in her humiliation fetish? Kinda like how she came her brains out when Sterling told her that Hunter might be her father? Tough to say. I think she might like the idea of being Sterling's aunt and holding that over him somehow, but the idea that her parents may have been siblings is possibly more humiliating than Hunter being her father, so I'd say that would make her the horniest.
Which would make her hornier, as in her humiliation fetish? Kinda like how she came her brains out when Sterling told her that Hunter might be her father? Tough to say. I think she might like the idea of being Sterling's aunt and holding that over him somehow, but the idea that her parents may have been siblings is possibly more humiliating than Hunter being her father, so I'd say that would make her the horniest.
Given her fetish, I think the ultimate humiliation for her would be to carry the children of her cousin (possible nephew/brother) for the rest of her days with the knowledge that if that information ever got out her life/reputation would be ruined.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Greetings my friends. With permission from What? Why? Games, I have been working on a FANMADE "What If?" which will be a mini Visual Novel called Ophelia's Date Night. This mini VN was developed solely by me and is NOT CANON OR OFFICIAL in anyway. Think of it as FANART on steroids. It's in the final stages of development and the beta testers will be getting the beta-build tomorrow. I had originally planned to release it on the 1st of January but depending on the feedback from the beta testers, I might delay it by a few days so they can test more thoroughly.
The premise of this VN is an alternate universe where Hunter was not around to prevent Ophelia from going on a date with Erik. Yes, it is NTR and poor Sterling is in over his head. Please if you have any questions about it do not pester WWG, contact me directly or just join my server by clicking on my profile and using my
p.s. Why am I doing this? Well, like a friend of mine said, "You've gotta do cover songs, before you write your first single".
Here's a peek at the Home screen along with some teasers.
The premise of this VN is an alternate universe where Hunter was not around to prevent Ophelia from going on a date with Erik. Yes, it is NTR and poor Sterling is in over his head. Please if you have any questions about it do not pester WWG, contact me directly or just join my server by clicking on my profile and using my
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. I will drop the release links on my discord server, here (If WWG is cool with it) and here on F95. I'd like to thank WWG again for giving me the permission and opportunity to do this. I really appreciate it.p.s. Why am I doing this? Well, like a friend of mine said, "You've gotta do cover songs, before you write your first single".
Here's a peek at the Home screen along with some teasers.
Thanks a lot SUMATRA!!! Every single post in the fanart thread of this game is a masterpiece, congrats for this project!