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Well... The concept "Rape" is quite broad and has many aspects ignored or unknown by many people. For example... The root of the concept (and the laws against it) is "consent". In any situation, if the woman says NO and the man continues with the act, it is considered "Sexual Assault" and/or "Rape". Ok... Here is the "gray" area (in the act and in the law) The woman must be "In the total and proper use of ALL her mental faculties" to give that "consent"... Therefore, if a woman is under the influence of ANY substance that diminishes her mental abilities (drugs, alcohol, etc) can be considered a "rape" even if she consents to that act. That's why "sleeping sex" is also considered "rape."
- Apr 29, 2023
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This gets into kind of hairy territory on whether you are using real world, or porn game logic. In the real world, informed consent is a good practice, and getting that when someone is drunk and high is not something you'd want to argue in a courtroom. It conceivably could be considered rape.
But on the player agency aspect, yeah, in a porn game if the game keeps asking if you want another drink, it's a big hint that things are going to happen that the hungover version of the character can blame on booze/drugs.
That may be so. But in order for it to be 'rape', the woman has to believe that it is, and complain to the relevant authorities. It doesn't matter if she's under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol and her diminished faculties, cause her to make rash decisions. Because unless she considers herself to have been taken advantage of as a consequence, it's just perfectly legal, consensual sex. Myriam enjoyed the foursome with the college guys, the sex with the black chauffeur and the sex that followed with Marc. When they get in the Limo. It's Myriam who instigates the continuation of the gangbang, when she grabs Guy's cock. He's totally surprised by this, believing the sex session ended in the 'Dovecote', but being the horny young man that he is, naturally he's ready and willing to go with it, as are his friends. Nobody is taking advantage of her. At that moment, it's what she wants.
Later the chauffeur gets into the back of the Limo, to help Myriam to dress, and once again she's the one who instigates sex, by grabbing his cock. Maybe she's been programmed by Anthony to behave in a certain way. But none of these people know that. All they can see, is this gorgeous, horny milf, who seems to be desperate for cock She might have felt ashamed afterwards, and wished she hadn't given in to her lust, but at no point does she believe that anyone has forced her.
The closest thing to rape, is when Marc has sex with her, and she's only semi-conscious. If Myriam believes in any way, that Marc has taken advantage of her, then that is rape. But she doesn't. She never for one moment considers that, and even if she could see a video recording of what actually happened, she'd probably still find some reason to believe it was all down to her. The fact is, even if she had been conscious, we know that on that route, Myriam rarely refuses Marc anything. So it likely would have happened anyway. Because Marc knows exactly what strings to pull, to make Myriam compliant. And we also know, that deep down she loves being sexually controlled by him, regardless of what she sometimes claims to the contrary.
Therefore none of this was actually rape, except in the mind's eye of certain people, who want to make this storyline into something that it never was
It's not rape, if the person who is drunk or high, doesn't believe that anyone has taken advantage of her. Legalities are only a factor, if it becomes a courtcase. Myriam doesn't try to stop any of this, she enjoys it thoroughly and she in no way considers that anyone has raped her. It doesn't matter what other people think, because unless she calls foul, legally nothing illegal has happened.
- Apr 29, 2023
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I'm not going to get into a big philosophy debate on a porn forum, but actions affect both parties, even while the axe chops into the tree, it becomes dull. Just because a woman doesn't believe she's been taken advantage of, doesn't mean that behaviour in the same circumstances with one variable changed isn't rape.
Arguing law gets worse, as it's not the same by jurisdiction.
I'm not critiquing the game at all, just pointing out that using porn logic in the real world isn't a smart thing to do.
You brought up the law, not me. But you're wrong in assuming that rape can exist, if the the person who has supposedly been raped, says that they weren't. Legally rape can only be pursued, if the victim wants it to be. There could be a hundred witnesses claiming that it had taken place, but if the person in question takes a different view, then it makes no difference. As far as the law is concerned, there is no rape. The only exception to this, would be if a minor was involved, or someone who was mentally impaired. Because rape is about denial of consent, and minors and those who are mentally impaired, are not legally regarded to be able to give consent.
Jurisdiction makes no difference, in this instance. If someone says that they weren't raped, there is no place in the world that would pursue it any further.
There is only one scene in this game, that approaches rape, and that is the scene with Marc after the museum event. From our perspective, Marc could be said to have raped Myriam. But from Myriam's perspective that never happened, because she's unaware of what really happened, and is unlikely to ever discover the truth. She instead believes it was her fault, and thus she's never going to believe she was raped. From a legal standpoint, that means it never happened, whether it's in the real world or just in a porn game.
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As a former LE officer, that is accurately explained and how rapes are supposed to be handled.
- Nov 21, 2018
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This is completely false. If you have checked the laws for your own home (state/country/whatever) and found that to be the case where you live, then okay, but the assumption that it's a universal state of affairs is way off. And the belief that jurisdiction makes no difference is bizarre. Of course jurisdiction makes a difference. The laws in one place are different from the laws in another place, and that makes a difference.
For example, in my home state (in the US), if the police believe that they have evidence of a crime, they can make an arrest, even if the supposed victim says that they don't want to press charges, or insists that nothing happened. And if the prosecuting attorney believes that he or she has a good enough case to take to court, they can prosecute the crime, whether the victim wants to press charges or not. And I know of other states which have similar laws.
Also, I have no idea why you would suggest that there is no place in the world where they would pursue a rape case when the supposed victim says there was no rape. We currently have a very high profile case in Romania which has been making international news for months now, where a man is being charged with rape and is currently on house arrest, awaiting his trial, and his two supposed victims have both spoken out and stated that there was no rape, and the sex was completely consensual.
Make no mistake, rape charges can be pursued in many jurisdictions, even when the supposed victim doesn't want them pursued.
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For the sake of argument lets just say i have a bar in a sketchy neighbourhood and a couple broad shouldered guys visit me on a regular basis to receive "money for my protection". One day i dont manage to cough up the necessary amount and end up severely bruised up. The police arrive,questioning me about the reason for my battered appearance. The words "no officers,i was clumsy and fell from the stairs,those guys are my friends" are uttered from my mouth, although neither me nor anyone else standing in hearing distance believes them. Simultaneously, everyone understands the reason i spoke those words, and also no,my silence on this matter doesnt absolve the perpetrators from the culpability for the crime of extortion. Any person with a modicum of life experience understands that there is a myriad of situations where people might not want to or might not be able to discuss an injustice or injury that was inflicted upon them. Be it shame,intimidation,PTSD from the traumatic experience that leaves the victim not wanting to rehash and recapitulate said events,and the obvious amplification that stems from bureaucratic intervention and media response,all those are factors that understandably contribute to victims rather choosing to be silent. So you have to be either a completely naive dumbbell without any life experience whatsoever,or an amoral trashbag who maybe hopes to one day use this type of silencing to his own advantage, to propagate the ludicrous stance that just because someone didnt speak out or even said "no harm done" that this would constitute bulletproof evidence
- Apr 22, 2017
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Wow... thanks for that brilliant summation of a game that you obviously didn't enjoy!!
Further congratulations too... normally I just add posts like this to my 'ignore' list & move on but you elicited a response from me.... Well done!!
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It wouldn't make any difference, who saw what or how many people knew what was going on. If the victim doesn't press charges, there is no case. It doesn't matter how convinced the police are that a possible crime has taken place, the victim still has to confirm that it did take place. If they didn't, the prosecution service just wouldn't carry on with it, because the chance of a conviction in those circumstances, would be virtually nil. I'm in no way trying to make excuses for people who have perpetrated assaults/rapes on others. Just that if the victim of that assault, doesn't regard it as such, for whatever reason. There is no legal case for the authorities to pursue. That's not naive, it's just a fact.For the sake of argument lets just say i have a bar in a sketchy neighbourhood and a couple broad shouldered guys visit me on a regular basis to receive "money for my protection". One day i dont manage to cough up the necessary amount and end up severely bruised up. The police arrive,questioning me about the reason for my battered appearance. The words "no officers,i was clumsy and fell from the stairs,those guys are my friends" are uttered from my mouth, although neither me nor anyone else standing in hearing distance believes them. Simultaneously, everyone understands the reason i spoke those words, and also no,my silence on this matter doesnt absolve the perpetrators from the culpability for the crime of extortion. Any person with a modicum of life experience understands that there is a myriad of situations where people might not want to or might not be able to discuss an injustice or injury that was inflicted upon them. Be it shame,intimidation,PTSD from the traumatic experience that leaves the victim not wanting to rehash and recapitulate said events,and the obvious amplification that stems from bureaucratic intervention and media response,all those are factors that understandably contribute to victims rather choosing to be silent. So you have to be either a completely naive dumbbell without any life experience whatsoever,or an amoral trashbag who maybe hopes to one day use this type of silencing to his own advantage, to propagate the ludicrous stance that just because someone didnt speak out or even said "no harm done" that this would constitute bulletproof evidence
In the instance we're referring to in this game, there is no rape case at all, because Myriam is completely unaware of what really happened when she returned from the museum. And actually believes that it was she, in her drunken state, who forced herself on Marc, not the other way around. Marc is the only person who knows the truth, so unless he confesses, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, it never happened. It doesn't matter that we know, because we're not characters in this game world.
All of these scenarios are YOUR CHOICE, none of them have to happen if you don't want them to, simple answer to the first scene, don't drinks loads and don't smoke weed.
The second one, don't allow the extras and she won't get fingered and fucked or pissed on.
As for your issue with 'trust', that is the point of the game, that she is too trusting and needs to 'wake up', but with that particular instance you mention, don't confess or tell the priest everything, then you'll avoid the scene.
EVERYTHING that happens in this game is YOUR CHOICE.
You mean the guy who's also been charged with human trafficking and money laundering, plus numerous other crimes. It's not exactly your typical rape case is it? Plus you neglected to mention that five other women have also accused him of rape. So I reckon the Romanian police and judicial authorities have plenty of accusers, who have come forward to point the finger at this guy. And they're not as you claim, pursuing criminal charges against this individual, merely because they believe a crime has been committed, but because actual victims have come forward and accused him.
The police can arrest whoever they want, if they believe a crime has been committed. But without proof provided by the victim, medical evidence that a rape has occurred and testimony, or a confession by the perpetrator, it is virtually impossible to convict anybody, since there are usually no other witnesses to the actual crime. In those circumstances it would never be prosecuted, whichever country it is in the world
When I say anywhere in the world. I mean specifically within democratic states, where the police and judiciary, typically are not corrupt. Obviously there are parts of the world, where this is not the case, and evidence and proving a person's guilt are not required to get a conviction.
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If people would just read tags before playing games. Let’s see what we have, there is a RAPE tag, Beastiality, bukkake, group sex, humiliation, sleep sex, multiple penetration, graphic violence, urination. So if your offended by any of these tags, why the fuck are you here playing this game?
A simple way to avoid high trust. Dump Anthony as early as possible. Don't let Myriam take part in some extreme sex acts ( avoid all the threesomes/ gangbangs and stop Cassius from doing what he wants). Make sure she doesn't get drunk or take drugs. Put Marc in his place early on. Get rid of the briefcase or take it to the police as soon as possible. Ignore the Priest. If a choice adds trust, scroll back and try to choose another one. If a choice reduces trust, try to select it. If you do those things, your trust score will never get high, and will tend to get lower over time.
Generally, if you allow Myriam to follow a submissive path she'll have higher trust. Whereas, if you allow her to follow a more dominant one, she'll tend to have much less.
Generally, if you allow Myriam to follow a submissive path she'll have higher trust. Whereas, if you allow her to follow a more dominant one, she'll tend to have much less.
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And all are avoidable.
- Jan 7, 2018
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Well sadly a few tags aren't avoidable the graphic violence and humiliation. Since those tag's are tied to Anthony and meeting a few other characters.
Not entirely sure that's true, I don't think you get any trust score with Anthony or if you do it isn't that much, you get more trust score from people like Marc, believing he is innocent when he isn't, the cops can give trust points, even Eve and the shrink, in fact I think you can get trust points from everyone except Anthony.