VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.06+p] [Zorlun]

[Zara Scarlet]

About your reference to turning 18, the problem is that at the start, there was some ambiguity on age, that Zorlun decided in the end to sort out by explicitly saying both Katherine and him are already 18 at the start of the game.

The problem I have with this, is that the storyline as it stands, just doesn't support this. If Marc is 18, then there is no need for a custody battle between Myriam and Anthony, because in California Marc is judged to be an adult already, and able to make his own decisions. Simply put, there wouldn't be a court case to determine something, that was already decided by Marc being 18. There are only 3 states in the USA where the age of majority is over 18 ( Alabama, Mississippi and Nebraska), none of which could be where the game is set. So unless you're prepared to totally ignore this part of US law, and set the game in some fantasy dimension, saying that Marc is over 17 doesn't make any sense, unless you remove the custody battle from the game.

Zorlun can say that Marc is over 17, and I fully understand why he wants to do that ( because so many US states set the age of consent at 18, and he's trying not run foul of Patreon rules). But unfortunately, the game as it stands, suggests that Marc is definitely under 18.

 

[xapican]

The problem I have with this, is that the storyline as it stands, just doesn't support this. If Marc is 18, then there is no need for a custody battle between Myriam and Anthony, because in California Marc is judged to be an adult already, and able to make his own decisions. Simply put, there wouldn't be a court case to determine something, that was already decided by Marc being 18. There are only 3 states in the USA where the age of majority is over 18 ( Alabama, Mississippi and Nebraska), none of which could be where the game is set. So unless you're prepared to totally ignore this part of US law, and set the game in some fantasy dimension, saying that Marc is over 17 doesn't make any sense, unless you remove the custody battle from the game.

Zorlun can say that Marc is over 17, and I fully understand why he wants to do that ( because so many US states set the age of consent at 18, and he's trying not run foul of Patreon rules). But unfortunately, the game as it stands, suggests that Marc is definitely under 18.

Of course, I'm still trying to put my mind around what is so important with Marc's age, I personally don't like him, he is just an Abusive ASS like his father, and the whole Custody Battle story is over right now,

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Again, it depends on the jurisdiction, and in USA, you even have counties, with judges that in some case make basically their law :-D.
But I was talking about an hypothetical situation in which there is a any kind of social services involved in the decision of the judge, to assess the family (or can be said, ex-family) situation, as ethically (but that does not mean legally), should be, unless the judge has the necessary information, knowledge and experience (and in general, they don't, social services should spend the time and energy needed and have it, judges are not required to).
I can tell you, that exactly due to scenes like the one between Anthony and Myriam in court, even if I agree that Anthony is the first that goes aggressive and physical in that situation and is an abusive husband, social service should suggest that Marc should be place temporarily on a third party, to avoid him feeling in the middle of the fight every day and torn apart etc.

If Mark is 18, then none of these things apply ( unless he lives in Alabama, Mississippi or Nebraska, where the age of majority is higher). Anywhere else in the US, and it would never go to court at all, because Marc would be considered an adult, and therefore he wouldn't need a guardian or a foster parent, because he'd be old enough to make all his own decisions.

That's why making him 18 doesn't make any sense at all, unless you alter large parts of the game.

 

[ouch2020]

Well I’m sure Mark wouldn’t mind staying with Aunt Eve then, might be awkward when she’s bringing some stud home and mark has to hear her screams and moans or maybe she lets him go for a ride too,

what would Myriam say if she found out Eve and Mark were screwing?

Good question the second one , unfortunately, I don't know if Zorlun had ever considered that hypothesis, but I am not sure Patreon would not consider that also as incest - I remember clearly they had told Zorlun no "step-something" was allowed, but I don't remember what else was forbidden by them.

For the first one, well, honestly, IMO, it would not be too strange that a relative tries to get in, if for whatever reason the parents were considered not fit, or anyway there is a temporary decision, but I will leave it at that.
I have not even looked at the last reply from Zara Scarlett, and I have no intention of doing so, because I realised that I started to get too easily sucked up in discussions where there is the risk I make one too many references to reality, the last one being the one with her.

More than once I had to delete parts from some messages, because I caught myself making refence to real situations, to make people understand why I said some things.
They were not situation I knew for professional reasons (but they also were not cases read about on Internet or news, I had more direct knowledge), there is "anonymity" on F95, there was nothing illegal on them, I was not making names, etc. (imagine all the disclaimers you can invent), but still, I would feel I violated my ethics if I used that type of information to try proving a point in an Internet forum.
In a way, the relative anonymity would make it worst for me (it's a matter of personal ethics), one thing is if and when I talk about some things with a person who knows who I am and I know who he/she is, another, something like this.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Of course, I'm still trying to put my mind around what is so important with Marc's age, I personally don't like him, he is just an Abusive ASS like his father, and the whole Custody Battle story is over right now,

So what are you saying? Because you don't like him, it should be of no importance to anyone else?

 

[xapican]

So what are you saying? Because you don't like him, it should be of no importance to anyone else?

I don't know what you understood,
I meant "why is it important ? now that the whole story line is gone ? yes it is hinted that he is a minor, and that's it !
and THEN I DARED TO express my opinion regarding the character,
NEVER SAID THAT HE SHOULD BE NOT IMPORTANT TO ANYONE ELSE !
or should I just shut up because for you it is important ?
Do I don't have the right to express myself ?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I have not even looked at the last reply from Zara Scarlett, and I have no intention of doing so, because I realised that I started to get too easily sucked up in discussions where there is the risk I make one too many references to reality, the last one being the one with her

It's got nothing to do with reality. It's whether the storyline makes any sense. And if you make Marc 18, then it doesn't. If you say Marc is 17, then the custody battle makes perfect sense. But if you change his age to 18, it makes zero sense. I assumed he was 17, because that's what the storyline was telling me. But you claim, that in fact he's always been 18, despite the fact that the custody battle suggests otherwise.

This is something totally different to what we discussing before, based on your bombshell that Zorlun has actually decided that Marc is 18 ( and not 17 as the game suggests). There is nothing in this game which says he is 18.

It doesn't bother me personally, whether he's 17 or 18, since I live in a country where the age of consent is lower. It's simply a matter of the game telling me that he's 17 and not 18.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I don't know what you understood,
I meant "why is it important to his age ?
and as my opinion regarding the character,
NEVER SAID THAT HE SHOULD BE NOT IMPORTANT TO ANYONE ELSE !

Well it's obvious. If Marc is already an adult, there's no need for a custody battle at all. Either Marc is 17, and Myriam and Anthony have to go to court, to determine who gets custody, or he's 18 and an adult, and can make that decision himself, and that whole custody battle scene could have been omitted from the game.

 

[xapican]

Well it's obvious. If Marc is already an adult, there's no need for a custody battle at all. Either Marc is 17, and Myriam and Anthony have to go to court, to determine who gets custody, or he's 18 and an adult, and can make that decision himself, and that whole custody battle scene could have been omitted from the game.

Yes, exactly but you are about 4 or 5 Updates late to sugest, I mean your knowlege would have been good when Zorlun was planning on the " custody Battle for Dramatic purposes"
I don't know if you read It ( understandable by more of 600+pages) But the whole "Original Concept got crippled bad by P.
And that is what Ouch2000 was pointing out, plus Zorlun isnt from US he is French so he don't knows the details of the USA
Nobody is saying that you are wrong, It is just that for the Public it has to be like he is 18 etc no their not Bloodrelated, etc etc.
Ouch is the guy which makes the I patch and he is from the beginning around.
so no bad blood, and have a nice Weekend
abrazo

 

[Zorlun]

Can we all agree that nothing will come from the debate but bruised egos and drop it here (or pursue it on a private level via pm).
It's been pages of this now and it will not change anything about the game... I thank you all for the enthusiasm and appreciation for the game, as I don't think there would be any debate if any of you didn't care about it, but can we let this go? Please.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

Yes, exactly but you are about 4 or 5 Updates late to sugest, I mean your knowlege would have been good when Zorlun was planning on the " custody Battle for Dramatic purposes"
I don't know if you read It ( understandable by more of 600+pages) But the whole "Original Concept got crippled bad by P.
And that is what Ouch2000 was pointing out, plus Zorlun isnt from US he is French so he don't knows the details of the USA
Nobody is saying that you are wrong, It is just that for the Public it has to be like he is 18 etc no their not Bloodrelated, etc etc.
Ouch is the guy which makes the I patch and he is from the beginning around.
so no bad blood, and have a nice Weekend
abrazo

That would be ok, if it says anywhere in the game that he's actually 18. But it doesn't. All it suggests is that he's actually 17. It doesn't matter what Zorlun says, it's what his game says. And at present it says that Marc is actually 17.

And yes I'm totally aware of why Zorlun would want to change Marc's age, to comply with Patreon rules. Yeah, I get it, he's French, and the age of consent in France is 15. In virtually the whole of Europe, Marc being 17 or 18, makes no difference at all. This is only an issue in the USA.

 

[sspd077]

Can we all agree that nothing will come from the debate but bruised egos and drop it here (or pursue it on a private level via pm).
It's been pages of this now and it will not change anything about the game... I thank you all for the enthusiasm and appreciation for the game, as I don't think there would be any debate if any of you didn't care about it, but can we let this go? Please.

sorry to say people won't let it go my friend. as they want try to mix real to fantasy base game. which i've enjoy alot.
as old saying goes when people lite fires. just keep throwing on more gasoline til someone put a stop to it or burn down forest to get there point across.

 

[Lara Snow]

It's got nothing to do with reality. It's whether the storyline makes any sense. And if you make Marc 18, then it doesn't. If you say Marc is 17, then the custody battle makes perfect sense. But if you change his age to 18, it makes zero sense. I assumed he was 17, because that's what the storyline was telling me. But you claim, that in fact he's always been 18, despite the fact that the custody battle suggests otherwise.

This is something totally different to what we discussing before, based on your bombshell that Zorlun has actually decided that Marc is 18 ( and not 17 as the game suggests). There is nothing in this game which says he is 18.

It doesn't bother me personally, whether he's 17 or 18, since I live in a country where the age of consent is lower. It's simply a matter of the game telling me that he's 17 and not 18.

Are you aware Majority of Age is not a black or white situation? In most western countries, Majority of age is actually at 21. At 18 you can do almost everything, you are partially an adult. And for some people sex is only ok at that age, but in my country you are legally a consent given person at 16. As well as for other stuff like voting on an election, or getting your first drivers license, all at 16.

But, if I wanted to marry or have a legal entity registered to my name I'd need to be 21. You are not a child when you are 17 and 364 and neither you are a full fledged adult at 18 and 1 days.

 

[Bazing124]

gallery for the last update?

 

[BraidsTheWitch]

I've tried this game yesterday... It's amazing!
Thank you dev, keep up the good work!

 

[Joshy92]

I love the scenes with Myriam & Cassious
Hammer is also cool
Myriam and Marc are still my favourite combo
but all the sex scenes I have seen are awesome

Mostof the guys don't deserve a great woman like Myriam tho tbh

 

[Kitashi_7]

I love the scenes with Myriam & Cassious
Hammer is also cool

Agreed IIRC there's going to eventually going to be a vet visit so potentially we could get a few more scenes with Cassius and potentially more doggos down the road. Not to mention there's the whole potentially volunteering at a shelter and whatnot. But yeah some morw Cassius scenes would be enjoyable

Hammer i would love to see some more stuff for but the tricky thing with him is where cassius is always at home with Myriam, Hammer she has to go out of her way for to the ranch so its likely we get some more scenes down the road but as some others have said its going to be trickier than writing in another scene for Cassius

 

[ouch2020]

Are you aware Majority of Age is not a black or white situation? In most western countries, Majority of age is actually at 21. At 18 you can do almost everything, you are partially an adult. And for some people sex is only ok at that age, but in my country you are legally a consent given person at 16. As well as for other stuff like voting on an election, or getting your first drivers license, all at 16.

But, if I wanted to marry or have a legal entity registered to my name I'd need to be 21. You are not a child when you are 17 and 364 and neither you are a full fledged adult at 18 and 1 days.

I don't know if the discussion is still linked to the story about adoption/legal custody/Marc etc. - as I had promised, I kept myself away from this thread for a bit.
But if this is not about that stuff, I can chip in, I would agree that it is not a black or white situation, though also due again to language (e.g. consent, adulthood, majority, full rights, independence).
It's not by chance that most contracts in English start by defining a bunch of words .

E.g. I know a country where age of majority is 18, age of consent is 14 (and statutory rape was eliminated a number of years ago), to vote for the higher chamber of the parliament you must be at lest 25 years old, and if I remember correctly to become President at least 50.
But if you look at the map I attach, most countries of the World indicated 18 as age of majority meant as legal adulthood (in reality, I know in the past in USA one could volunteer for the military at 17 even if the parents were against, which means for that specific case, could have been said the age of majority was actually 17) - I admit it comes from Wikipedia, may not be the most reliable source, but if we take it for good (they use "legal adulthood", but even what that means, can change), it means actually the majority of the World uses 18 (green).

To reconfirm the "different ages for different things", since we are in forum about an erotic game, can look at the second picture, for the age of consent for heterosexual situations (dark blue is 16, lighter shades of blue lower age, yellow 12, other colours, older than 16), though of course even there, there can be various other things which can influence (e.g. age distance, roles, cannot anyway be filmed or photographed), and the source is the same.

 

[eightypercent]

Just a quick addition to Marc's age debate and the court case... is it not possible in the USA that Marc is 18, still at school, and the court hearing was the subject to which person should be responsible for Marc during his secondary education? That the court was instructed to choose where Marc lived and the debate was between his unstable and violent father and his completely stable step mother!?

 

[TomUK]

Just a quick addition to Marc's age debate and the court case... is it not possible in the USA that Marc is 18, still at school, and the court hearing was the subject to which person should be responsible for Marc during his secondary education? That the court was instructed to choose where Marc lived and the debate was between his unstable and violent father and his completely stable step mother!?

Wouldn't have been a problem in the UK, Marc would have been able to legally move in to Myriam's house at 16 as her tenant.