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I agree that payment processors came down on them but I also think patreon took it further than they had to. To not even allow step-family scenarios seems a bit extreme.
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They basically took it as far as they were told to. That's why previous mother/son/father/daughter relationships had to become "landlady/tenant" relationship. Plenty tried the step-family, and one of the few that got around not being pulled entirely that I'm aware of, is The Twist where the MC and his sister are both adopted.
It was that, or go the way of Nopy (closed down because of payment processors being dicks).
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I wasn't in the meeting but I would assume patreon made a wide ruling because that's the easier path. Had it affected their bottom line like with OnlyFans, I assume things would have went differently. BTW, OnlyFans gets away with mother-son / brother-sister roleplay, don't they?
Bottom line here is Zorlun had to adjust. It sucks but he continues on, which I appreciate.
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I think you should be able to add a disclaimer, 'All models are 18 or over. All models are fictional characters in a fictional world and no actual incest occurred.' Then, in a perfect world, you can take them to court for violating your rights to free speech or some shit like that. 
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The thing you have to remember is companies like Patreon are located in California and are surrounded by their laws and propaganda. Just because one state says it's fine doesn't mean California or New York say it is, therefore it has to go if you want to use the site. Silly, but that's how it goes.
That too to a degree. Although, Onlyfans tried that and almost lost it all.
They get away with it because they have way too much income for both them and the processors to risk tossing it all away. Porn is their only real source of income and banning it would have destroyed the site.
If you had the money to outlast them, you probably could. Poor folk aren't able to sue those big companies though.I think you should be able to add a disclaimer, 'All models are 18 or over. All models are fictional characters in a fictional world and no actual incest occurred.' Then, in a perfect world, you can take them to court for violating your rights to free speech or some shit like that.
Free speech only applies to the government can't take action on your speech (with exceptions - no threats or false advertising, for example.) It doesn't mean you can say what you want on someone else's platform, just like you can't tell your boss to fuck off and expect to still have a job.I think you should be able to add a disclaimer, 'All models are 18 or over. All models are fictional characters in a fictional world and no actual incest occurred.' Then, in a perfect world, you can take them to court for violating your rights to free speech or some shit like that.
Nope. Incest is defined as having a close blood relation, even in USA (I assume, maybe wrongly, you are from there).
I already made an example for USA-based people without names, but to make it clearer, it is famous that Soon-Yi Previn became stepmother of her stepbrothers, by marrying her adoptive father Woody Allen, and they could do it, because she had no blood link to Woody Allen.
As far as I recall (but I may be wrong), Mia Farrow's lawyers wanted even to try the "incest" card to create legal trouble for Allen, but it did not work out, exactly because there was no blood link.
There are cases, and States in USA, where sexual activity is automatically illegal, even if consensual, if one of the two is legal guardian, specifically in case of certain age factors (one of the two being minor, and the other legal guardian/tutor of the minor, even if already above the age of consent), and I think (but here, I can be even more wrong, I am not very deep in "celebrity news"), they tried even that, but if one looks at the date when they got married, she was officialy 27 years old, so, way above that, and if I remember well, even when they they started their relation, she was already above the age to be legally independent.
I had an exchange with Zorlun in the past, and as you can see even from his past posts, although I would not use some of the words you used to define them, it is clear that Patreon simply said made a blank interdiction, which meant any reference to "son", "mother", etc. would hit the wall.
It is not a legal matter, it is a (Patreon) policy matter.
That's not what OF tried.
They tried to drop the porn association and become more mainstream, in a similar vein to Youtube. It really didn't work.
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ummmm.... so what is the point to make someone a LEGAL PART OF YOUR FAMILY when it is LEGAL no issue? And just marying a woman doesn't make you legally the stepdad of her kids... the kids have a father. You have to adopt them as well..... at least in most european countries.
Well, with COVID, there has been a lot more mainstream business, and even school, or family Internet traffic, for things like streaming and videoconferencing, but at least till pre-COVID (don't know after), porn-related was still the biggest traffic on the Internet.That's not what OF tried.
They tried to drop the porn association and become more mainstream, in a similar vein to Youtube. It really didn't work.
While the estimates vary widely over time and source, only in USA the porn industry (notice, porn industry, not sex workers/escort/prostitution or how you want to call it) turnover has been estimated between some 3.9 billions a year and 13 billions a year, and most of it is paid using credit cards.
Even getting a tiny bit of that volume, can still mean quite an amount of money...
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In UK Step relations would still be regarded as incest from a legal stand point. = criminal offense dude.
Are you sure it is legally defined as "incest", and not as a crime because the person is the legal guardian over the minor (and is a minor) or something similar ?
Actually, I already found an answer, though it is an old one, from the original law in 1956. At least in the original law, UK was the same as other country, there had to be a blood relation to have incest ("half-" means they have at least one blood parent in common), so, a step relation was NOT considered incest.
'Incest by a man
(1)It is an offence for a man to have sexual intercourse with a woman whom he knows to be his grand-daughter, daughter, sister or mother.
(2)In the foregoing subsection " sister " includes half-sister, and for the purposes of that subsection any expression importing a relationship between two people shall be taken to apply notwithstanding that the relationship is not traced through lawful wedlock.
Incest by a woman
(1)It is an offence for a woman of the age of sixteen or over to permit a man whom she knows to be her grandfather, father, brother or son to have sexual intercourse with her by her consent.
(2)In the foregoing subsection " brother" includes half-brother, and for the purposes of that subsection any expression importing a relationship between two people shall be taken to apply notwithstanding that the relationship is not traced through lawful wedlock.'
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Oh yes it is. I know one guy close to me that got his step sister pregnant. He is now on the sex offenders register for the rest of hs life despite the girl in question consenting and both being of legal ages. He wasn't jailed because he still had to work to hand over child support for kiddie.
It is classified as incest for the purposes of a criminal act, which depending on circumstances allows for other similar charges to be applied separately.
Which is incredibly ironic given the genealogical history of the monarchy
The issue was how much they were starting to lose (too much, too quickly), before they were ever going to see any return on their change of image/allowed content. They were scared they were about to go under before they could even stabilise prior to becoming a mainstream platform.
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The issue with your example is it is defeated when you cross state lines. I already explained that different states have different rules, and different judges make it worse. Sure, you could appeal, but it doesn't mean that a judge won't rule differently. Of course patreon is the final say in it and it is probably due to their state and card companies.
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Yup the Brit Royals are notoriously incestuous. Eugenic practices are not uncommon amongst them.It is classified as incest for the purposes of a criminal act, which depending on circumstances allows for other similar charges to be applied separately.
Which is incredibly ironic given the genealogical history of the monarchy
The issue was how much they were starting to lose (too much, too quickly), before they were ever going to see any return on their change of image/allowed content. They were scared they were about to go under before they could even stabilise prior to becoming a mainstream platform.
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You guys are still looking for more German royal blood?
Well, about the different rules, I undestand what you mean, you can check the my post when I checked the age of consent in USA.
In short, man, you have a mess, and if you know two young persons who want to have any kind of sexual activity, I would stronly advise they check with a specialised lawyer ! :-D
You even states that prohibit anything below 18 even if consensual and both below 18; states that have an age of consent, but then allow someone below the age of consent to consent if the partner is less than two or less than three years older, to the point that would accept consent from 13 year old if the partner is 14 or (not yet, if I recall well) 15; one in which one can have sex with someone below age of consent, if they are legally married (and how do you marry in a legally valid way if they are below the age to consent to marriage ?)...
But still, I doubt they will use so freely the "incest" label, the same way in which in USA they do not want to use the "statutory rape" label, although they apply widely in practice (and with the mess both you and I already referred to
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...??? hang on; so you're telling me, that if a legal-aged guy was fucking a legal-aged girl, n they're unrelated by blood, n both have separate sets of divorced parents, if 1 of their parents winds up marrying 1 of the other's parents, their relationship goes from being legal to illegal, under the definition of the laws in the UK??!! that is just TOTALLY FUBAR...
reminded me of the movie "Transformers: Age of Extinction":Well, about the different rules, I undestand what you mean, you can check the my post when I checked the age of consent in USA.
In short, men, you have a mess, and if you know two young persons who want to have any kind of sexual activity, I would stronly advise they check with a specialised lawyer ! :-D
You even states that prohibit anything below 18 even if consensual and both below 18; states that have an age of consent, but then allow someone below the age of consent to consent if the partner is less than two or less than three years older, to the point that would accept consent from 13 year old if the partner is 14 or (not yet, if I recall well) 15; one in which one can have sex with someone below age of consent, if they are legally married (and how do you marry in a legally valid way if they are below the age to consent to marriage ?)...
But still, I doubt they will use so freely the "incest" label, the same way in which in USA they do not want to use the "statutory rape" label, although they apply widely in practice (and with the mess both you and I already referred to
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...go to where it says "Texas Penal Code":An example is Texas Penal Code, Section 22.011(e). It provides an affirmative defense to a charge of sexual assault if all of the following apply:
- The accused was not more than 3 years older than the perceived victim
- The perceived victim was older than 14 years of age at the time of the offense (Age of consent in Texas is 17 years)
- The accused was not at the time registered or required to register for life as a sex offender
- The conduct did not constitute incest
- Neither the accused nor perceived victim would commit bigamy by marrying the other (in other words, neither was married to a third person)
dammit...didn't realize i signed up for an interpretive law class online; i just wanna get back to fapping, n empty my nutz
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The UK law is a bit outdated. The point of the law is this passage:
You can marry your step-mother if you are 21 or older and never lived with her under the same roof. In other cases you are not allowed to marry her.
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