fidgetspinner

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Then I think that not putting a coin in the jukebox would be a better way to let it go, instead of inviting people to come debate your rant on the subject.

Sorry if I sound mean, but your message does sound a tad like trolling on a subject actually unnerving for some people.
You're not the first creator to have problem with Patreon, you won't be the last. And yet every single day there's a new project that clearly has elements that are outside of Patreon TOS that get published there and received funding. And fan and follower of that project that "protest" whenever the creator is getting booted off the site. It's just insanity to see time and time again the same carousel of madness over this. You knew the rules but you still elected to keep using their service knowing full well they could lock it down and would fully within their right to do so because it's in their TOS.

It's like hating on cop for stopping you on the freeway for driving over the limit. Yeah it sucks, but have some self-awareness you knew it could happen and that's on you.

it your right to think this is a troll, it's just cold truth.
 
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Zorlun

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You're not the first creator to have problem with Patreon, you won't be the last. And yet every single day there's a new project that clearly has elements that are outside of Patreon TOS that get published there and received funding. And fan and follower of that project that "protest" whenever the creator is getting booted off the site. It's just insanity to see time and time again the same carousel of madness over this. You knew the rules but you still elected to keep using their service knowing full well they could lock it down and would fully within their right to do so because it's in their TOS.

It's like hating on cop for stopping you on the freeway for driving over the limit. Yeah it sucks, but have some self-awareness you knew it could happen and that's on you.

it your right to think this is a troll, it's just cold truth.
In fact I didn't knew at first, but that's on me for not having read the ToS, then I put the game up to their ToS, the problem this time was not about the game but a small picture of one tier (where there was a nipple the size of a pixel) and about the Discord link on the F95zone page (not really degenerate stuff)... And now I'm actually pushing people to stop supporting me on Patreon to support me on SubscribeStar, because despite what you say, even if part of their ToS, this is censorship.

But that's beside the point, I don't know what you're complaining about, there wasn't much complaining on the F95 page about this.
 

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In fact I didn't knew at first, but that's on me for not having read the ToS, then I put the game up to their ToS, the problem this time was not about the game but a small picture of one tier (where there was a nipple the size of a pixel) and about the Discord link on the F95zone page (not really degenerate stuff)... And now I'm actually pushing people to stop supporting me on Patreon to support me on SubscribeStar, because despite what you say, even if part of their ToS, this is censorship.

But that's beside the point, I don't know what you're complaining about, there wasn't much complaining on the F95 page about this.
Again, not the first creator and not the last. It's a daily thing on this website. As for no degen? Horse and dog c'mon. Even if patch is not on their website it's just a question of time bud.
 
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Again, not the first creator and not the last. It's a daily thing on this website. As for no degen? Horse and dog c'mon. Even if patch is not on their website it's just a question of time bud.
Again, never said the contrary...
 

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It's part of their ToS, they do have regard on whatever you do with your social media...

Yeah... I really want to be done with them and get to only SS as soon as I can.
What? I don't get it? Patreon essentially wants creators to stop linking to Patreon? How else is this supposed to work then? :WaitWhat:
 

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What? I don't get it? Patreon essentially wants creators to stop linking to Patreon? How else is this supposed to work then? :WaitWhat:
No, it's more about when you sign in with them, you also sign in your social media, so not only your game and your Patreon page must be squeaky clean, but also your social media.
So they don't like that my Discord was linked here because F95 is "dirty" in short (though I don't know why they didn't ask me to put down the Patreon link, but I did it anyway, both because it was logical and because I want to be done with them).
 

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What? I don't get it? Patreon essentially wants creators to stop linking to Patreon? How else is this supposed to work then? :WaitWhat:
TLDR : Patreon is too mainstream now and get pressured by Paypal and credit card to not have heavy stuff on their website. The whole "It's not on your website but click on it and you'll get" is still against their TSO so they are and will start cracking down more on those who make content with that stuff even if the creation itself is not hosted on their website. Be mad, call it censorship as much as you want, they don't give a shit and can kick you out for any reason.
 

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TLDR : Patreon is too mainstream now and get pressured by Paypal and credit card to not have heavy stuff on their website. The whole "It's not on your website but click on it and you'll get" is still against their TSO so they are and will start cracking down more on those who make content with that stuff even if the creation itself is not hosted on their website. Be mad, call it censorship as much as you want, they don't give a shit and can kick you out for any reason.
It is not the CC's. It is PayPal, they did it to Itch.io to, the CC's all denied it was them, and say PayPal's ham-fisted approach is bad.

If it was the CC's then SubscribeStar wouldn't accept them ;)
 

fidgetspinner

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It is not the CC's. It is PayPal, they did it to Itch.io to, the CC's all denied it was them, and say PayPal's ham-fisted approach is bad.

If it was the CC's then SubscribeStar wouldn't accept them ;)
SS is small fish. Not enough exposure to the public to do it. Patreon on the other hand is too mainstream to let them. But if one day SS become big you can bet they'll have the same kind of pressure to be squeaky clean as Patreon is trying to be.

Remember these companies don't actually give a shit about how they make money. They care about the appearance of how they make money. Patreon specifically has filed for an IPO back in 2021. Incest and Bestiality just isn't the kind of stuff you usually expect for a company listed and the New York Stock exchange.
 
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Zorlun

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It is not the CC's. It is PayPal, they did it to Itch.io to, the CC's all denied it was them, and say PayPal's ham-fisted approach is bad.

If it was the CC's then SubscribeStar wouldn't accept them ;)
SS is small fish. Not enough exposure to the public to do it. Patreon on the other hand is too mainstream to let them. But if one day SS become big you can bet they'll have the same kind of pressure to be squeaky clean as Patreon is trying to be.

Remember these companies don't actually give a shit about how they make money. They care about the appearance of how they make money.
SubscribeStar had Paypal in their payment method before but stop using it, they could have been pressured and refused to bend... :unsure:
 

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SS is small fish. Not enough exposure to the public to do it. Patreon on the other hand is too mainstream to let them. But if one day SS become big you can bet they'll have the same kind of pressure to be squeaky clean as Patreon is trying to be.

Remember these companies don't actually give a shit about how they make money. They care about the appearance of how they make money. Patreon specifically has filed for an IPO back in 2021. Incest and Bestiality just isn't the kind of stuff you usually expect for a company listed and the New York Stock exchange.
Nah, if you notice major porn sites accept CC fine (even bestiality and incest ones), but what you don't see is PayPal. As said above SS had PayPal at one point, but refused to "bend the knee". Itch.io on the other hand, bent the knee and kissed the ring and got rid of tons of adult content creators as they could not cash out PayPal. And no way for them to deal with CC payments directly.
 

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TLDR : Patreon is too mainstream now and get pressured by Paypal and credit card to not have heavy stuff on their website. The whole "It's not on your website but click on it and you'll get" is still against their TSO so they are and will start cracking down more on those who make content with that stuff even if the creation itself is not hosted on their website. Be mad, call it censorship as much as you want, they don't give a shit and can kick you out for any reason.
A pretty smart strategy considering that the profit from the creators...
 

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Public reminder, the "resources" for the ipatch are the files and code inside the incest patch itself, my knowledge of Zorlun's code, and my thinking on how the incest element can be kept in the game without straying from the main line (though with some slight modifications in text for coherence) that Zorlun developed after Patreon's censorship intervention.
Which means, is all stuff one can get from the ipatch itself and from a bit of thinking and imagination. I always said that nothing prevented someone else to take over the incest patch, if they wanted to do so.

Note, I am not one for normally complaining about swear words, which I use often in IRL (though mostly not targeting anybody); I myself suggested that some game authors "milk the cow" (though not Zorlun, and cannot apply to me, because I get no money for the incest patch); in my mother tongue one can even use insults as a form of joke not only between friends but also colleagues without anybody taking offense (high context language), and I did not take badly complaints about having to wait for the incest patch, however...

Being told I am "mentally handicapped to take this long", "You should realize no one appreciates someone who is this lazy with a simple I-patch", 'Your "reasons" are invalid and easily debunked with just knowing code. And I do not want the assets because I have better things to work on', "You took accountability for doing the I-patch now you should take accountability that you suck at delivering on time or even within a week", "GTFO" (in case you don't know, it stands for "get the fuck out") and some other stuff in one message, is a bit too much, that kind of behaviour is going to be (and was) reported to the moderators without any reply to the author of such a message.
Up to the moderators to see if they decide that "anything goes", or maybe there should be a balance between avoiding censorship, allowing people to express themselves freely (occasional vulgarity included :)) and keeping F95 from becoming a forum for exchange of insults.

Extra note, since the person tried to use some kind of formal language in the mist of the insults: "accountability" and "responsibility" can coincide in the same role or person, but they are not the same thing.
It could be said that I took the responsibiltiy for the incest patch, but the accountability is to be seen, since I depend on others (Zorlun, first of all) to be able to do it, and anyway, if one wants to go for that formalism, should also be remembered I said already the incest patch is done as "best effort", which means, it will not crash the game (aside incompatibility between mods), but other than that, there is no guarantee, included on timing.

Effectively, I am not even sure if the person really complains about not having it yet out for 5.02, or if it is a twisted reverse psychology attempt at making me stop doing the incest patch, but I am not going to waste energy on thinking more about that.

On the other end, last week-end I checked something with "the power to be" for Myriam for an idea I had for the next incest patch, so, there will be a "Dallas" style :) (as in, the soap opera, not the location) revelation in the next one, that if everything goes well should help the incest line originally in the game and that I tried to continue, and the post-Patreon line with Thomas, compatible (at the level of story, not of code) without need for further ado.
Don't mind ungrateful ones, mate. There are people who appreciate what you are doing. I started to play the game with incest and couldn't imagine switching to the "censored" version afterwards. So, everytime I look forward to your patch and try to be patient. You do a great job for all the people who want original spirit of the story to be preserved. Respecting your efforts and personal matters is the least we can do as a "thank you" :) So, take your time and don't worry. I'm sure there are more of us who is ready to wait without any complaints. We just stay silent and basically... wait. That's why it may seem there are more negative opinions around.
 

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Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

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For the people interested, the incest patch update is coming tomorrow evening (my time zone), I basically did it, but I need to check it tomorrow after work, now is bed time :)
Sorry for my question but why does the game still need an incest patch considering that apparently the dev is no longer using Patreon

If he still has a Patreon account, disregard my question
 
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