D9074

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Well, to be fair to the toxicity, its hard to talk about a game its pretty much 2 years old and has only 3 chapters, less than 5 hours worth of story and half of it its filler... yeah, let that sink in.

You see people bitching here because... there is actually no progress to talk about. You go to games like Being a DIK and you tell me what they discuss over that thread.
i get the frustration when you compare it to games like that but lets be real there is not many games you can compare to being a dik.. its in most peoples top 3 games here... This is a good game with a good story, well a good foundation at the very least, otherwise people wouldnt be mad at the progress.

Im not going to make excuses for the dev, i too wish we had more content for the time frame.. i always stay positive and hope that stuff changes to where more can be done.. Id love to be able to do the stuff these guys do and do my own games, and i would 100% put money back into it and hire people to help when you get some of the money they do. end of the day though a lot of us get these for free, i cant be mad at a dev when im not giving them money and buying a product, its not like a normal game where i can be like that.. and to those that are paying and are mad they should just stop paying.. only people i can sympathise with are the ones who put in 100s and get nothing back but also unless they was promised something they didnt receive then they cant really be too mad either.
 
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I personally was really annoyed that after that great spanking scene with Maddy in the second episode that aside from one inane conversation we got basically no new content whatsoever on that plot in the third update, which makes the wait that much longer.

There was so much hype about being able to choose the paths for the girls and then there was really just that one scene in two years. I hope that when/if a fourth update comes out that they actually progress the Maddy discipline route and ideally also add the option to spank Olivia.
 
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i get the frustration when you compare it to games like that but lets be real there is not many games you can compare to being a dik.. its in most peoples top 3 games here... This is a good game with a good story, well a good foundation at the very least, otherwise people wouldnt be mad at the progress.
Fair but that falls short when you compare with another vn like "Now & Then" which is making less money and has been nothing but the epitome of consistency through 2 years. At the end it comes to the person behind the project.
 

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Fair but that falls short when you compare with another vn like "Now & Then" which is making less money and has been nothing but the epitome of consistency through 2 years. At the end it comes to the person behind the project.
ofcourse, all devs are different, some are way ahead too in animations.. you get some too like the guy who makes WIAB and summers gone who will go back and remake it to their standards regardless of what others think and tbh i respect that.

idk what goes on in their lifes and how much time and energy they put into it all so i cant say why or how much more they should do but this one is def behind on time. complaining usually does nothing though tbh, seeing people get pissy about it and talk to me like shit wouldnt make me want to do it any faster.. its like you see someone talk all that and you know at the end of it they wont pay shit, they will get their update and be happy and play it like someone that paid and didnt complain.. it would feel like you're rewarding them for being a cunt. so i can def see how it would never motivate a dev..
 

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ofcourse, all devs are different, some are way ahead too in animations.. you get some too like the guy who makes WIAB and summers gone who will go back and remake it to their standards regardless of what others think and tbh i respect that.
I've spoken about BADIK, but I could speak about others. Saying the development process of Radiant is subpar is nothing short of being a fact... and I truly, truly wished it was not. Its one of those games that deserved a better main dev behind it. And I would sympathise with Damned, if he actually gave us a minimun monthly update of what is actually happening, when there's devs doing it weekly. Its hard to stay always positive when a project like this its just not moving forward properly at all, and the fanbase is constantly being kept in the dark.
 

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I've spoken about BADIK, but I could speak about others. Saying the development process of Radiant is subpar is nothing short of being a fact... and I truly, truly wished it was not. Its one of those games that deserved a better main dev behind it. And I would sympathise with Damned, if he actually gave us a minimun monthly update of what is actually happening, when there's devs doing it weekly. Its hard to stay always positive when a project like this its just not moving forward properly at all, and the fanbase is constantly being kept in the dark.
i get it, im not trying to defend tbh im just saying why i dont complain. i think all of them should give updates of some sort
 

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i get the frustration when you compare it to games like that but lets be real there is not many games you can compare to being a dik.. its in most peoples top 3 games here... This is a good game with a good story, well a good foundation at the very least, otherwise people wouldnt be mad at the progress.

Im not going to make excuses for the dev, i too wish we had more content for the time frame.. i always stay positive and hope that stuff changes to where more can be done.. Id love to be able to do the stuff these guys do and do my own games, and i would 100% put money back into it and hire people to help when you get some of the money they do. end of the day though a lot of us get these for free, i cant be mad at a dev when im not giving them money and buying a product, its not like a normal game where i can be like that.. and to those that are paying and are mad they should just stop paying.. only people i can sympathise with are the ones who put in 100s and get nothing back but also unless they was promised something they didnt receive then they cant really be too mad either.
I agreed with the sentiments here right up until the end. I DID support this game, for several months after the initial drop. When I saw, after V.0.02 that the output of content didn't, in my personal opinion, match the support I'd put in, much less what I'd have to continue putting in, I quietly stopped supporting and just as quietly left the Discord. Since then I've stopped by occasionally to check on the game's status and so far I've just received the consistent reminder that, again, just in my personal opinion, I made the right choice in moving on. I have not left a single bad word about the game or the devs in this thread, nor on Patreon or the Discord, or anywhere. Because being angry isn't fun to me, and sharing that anger with other people leaves me feeling rotten.

But that doesn't mean I don't have a right to speak my mind, or more importantly that I "can't really be mad". I agree that the voices of displeasure from people getting something for free about how long that free thing takes for them to to get should be, for the most part, ignored, especially when paired with the kind of vitriol F95 sometimes allows to foment. On the alternate side of things, you don't create new patrons or subscribers by irritating or disappointing potential customers; you only wind up bleeding the base you've already got. F95 is not solely comprised of angry, entitled jerkoffs who just want everything handed to them. Many of us use this site to find games and developers we'd like to support.

The only people who merit your sympathy are those who have 'put in 100s', which is apparently the threshold at which you've decided one is allowed to get upset with the lack of content they're paying for. Except not really, because you immediately rescind that statement. So even people who have paid at the highest tier for God knows how long, with only five hours worth of content and a handful of admittedly beautifully rendered CGs, shouldn't be using this forum to say anything negative. Hell, you don't even believe they have the right to be upset.

I disagree.

I've been supporting another incest-centric dramedy for several years now. The most recent update took a year, one entire year, to come out. I never questioned it, nor begrudged the wait (well, those last few months were rough, if I'm being completely honest). Why? Because the dev has proven that when each update drops, it offers an enormous amount of content that is polished and well-rendered. 'Well-rendered', not 'stunningly rendered'. If the renders take so ridiculously long to create that you can only offer an hour and a half's worth of content each update, and each update comes out so infrequently that you are consistently losing large portions of your paid audience, maybe, just maybe, the focus shouldn't be on making it look so goddamned good.

It is a dev's right to make the game they want to make, no matter what. If they want to paint the Sistine Chapel of pornographic visual novels, then God bless and godspeed to them. But anyone that supports them, regardless of whether they put in thousands or dozens of dollars during the course of production, has every right to grumble at some point about how fucking long its taking to paint the goddamned ceiling.
 

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I agreed with the sentiments here right up until the end. I DID support this game, for several months after the initial drop. When I saw, after V.0.02 that the output of content didn't, in my personal opinion, match the support I'd put in, much less what I'd have to continue putting in, I quietly stopped supporting and just as quietly left the Discord. Since then I've stopped by occasionally to check on the game's status and so far I've just received the consistent reminder that, again, just in my personal opinion, I made the right choice in moving on. I have not left a single bad word about the game or the devs in this thread, nor on Patreon or the Discord, or anywhere. Because being angry isn't fun to me, and sharing that anger with other people leaves me feeling rotten.

But that doesn't mean I don't have a right to speak my mind, or more importantly that I "can't really be mad". I agree that the voices of displeasure from people getting something for free about how long that free thing takes for them to to get should be, for the most part, ignored, especially when paired with the kind of vitriol F95 sometimes allows to foment. On the alternate side of things, you don't create new patrons or subscribers by irritating or disappointing potential customers; you only wind up bleeding the base you've already got. F95 is not solely comprised of angry, entitled jerkoffs who just want everything handed to them. Many of us use this site to find games and developers we'd like to support.

The only people who merit your sympathy are those who have 'put in 100s', which is apparently the threshold at which you've decided one is allowed to get upset with the lack of content they're paying for. Except not really, because you immediately rescind that statement. So even people who have paid at the highest tier for God knows how long, with only five hours worth of content and a handful of admittedly beautifully rendered CGs, shouldn't be using this forum to say anything negative. Hell, you don't even believe they have the right to be upset.

I disagree.

I've been supporting another incest-centric dramedy for several years now. The most recent update took a year, one entire year, to come out. I never questioned it, nor begrudged the wait (well, those last few months were rough, if I'm being completely honest). Why? Because the dev has proven that when each update drops, it offers an enormous amount of content that is polished and well-rendered. 'Well-rendered', not 'stunningly rendered'. If the renders take so ridiculously long to create that you can only offer an hour and a half's worth of content each update, and each update comes out so infrequently that you are consistently losing large portions of your paid audience, maybe, just maybe, the focus shouldn't be on making it look so goddamned good.

It is a dev's right to make the game they want to make, no matter what. If they want to paint the Sistine Chapel of pornographic visual novels, then God bless and godspeed to them. But anyone that supports them, regardless of whether they put in thousands or dozens of dollars during the course of production, has every right to grumble at some point about how fucking long its taking to paint the goddamned ceiling.
you're right with a lot you say and i was def wrong with the last part, the 100s thing wasnt literal, even if you put in less but supported and then take away and move on i still feel bad for you, and ofcourse you have a right to say something..

id say by looking at what you said compared to others you def have a right to be mad or whatever or voice your opinion on it.. if anything i respect what you said at the start, you felt wronged and you left, you didnt come here and complain you didnt want to spread hate, it makes you feel a certain way.. people like you i have no problem reading complaints, the only complaints i hate to see is from people that talk shit about the dev and i always feel like them types are just bringing us all down and making the dev not want to do more.

maybe i should have worded it different because i get people take things literally with certain things and its not obvious at all when something is not meant as literal.

I think people have the right to be mad, i think they have the right to be upset, if you did nothing to help the dev, you take it for free, which i do.. i download the free games, theres nothing wrong with that.. but them people including me i dont think should be mad about that stuff. asking if there is any news on updates and stuff i see no problem with, but ii would never go in and say "i hate this dev, he is shit, he takes ages with updates and blah blah"

if you're a patreon, even giving $1 a month for a year you have a voice, you are allowed to be upset or say your opinions, i think the way you handled it was how everyone should really in a ideal world but its not. you realised the next update wasnt what you wanted, you stopped funding and moved on.

one thing i would say is everything is different for different people, $100 to one person is $1000 to another. some peoples time is more valuable to others, everyone has different lives.. so saying a certain number or time frame will never suit everyone. I could waste 2 hours on something and it wont bother me, someone else could have kids and that 2 hours was taken away from being with them after a long day of not being with them at all.. so its all different.
 

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you're right with a lot you say and i was def wrong with the last part, the 100s thing wasnt literal, even if you put in less but supported and then take away and move on i still feel bad for you, and ofcourse you have a right to say something..

id say by looking at what you said compared to others you def have a right to be mad or whatever or voice your opinion on it.. if anything i respect what you said at the start, you felt wronged and you left, you didnt come here and complain you didnt want to spread hate, it makes you feel a certain way.. people like you i have no problem reading complaints, the only complaints i hate to see is from people that talk shit about the dev and i always feel like them types are just bringing us all down and making the dev not want to do more.

maybe i should have worded it different because i get people take things literally with certain things and its not obvious at all when something is not meant as literal.

I think people have the right to be mad, i think they have the right to be upset, if you did nothing to help the dev, you take it for free, which i do.. i download the free games, theres nothing wrong with that.. but them people including me i dont think should be mad about that stuff. asking if there is any news on updates and stuff i see no problem with, but ii would never go in and say "i hate this dev, he is shit, he takes ages with updates and blah blah"

if you're a patreon, even giving $1 a month for a year you have a voice, you are allowed to be upset or say your opinions, i think the way you handled it was how everyone should really in a ideal world but its not. you realised the next update wasnt what you wanted, you stopped funding and moved on.

one thing i would say is everything is different for different people, $100 to one person is $1000 to another. some peoples time is more valuable to others, everyone has different lives.. so saying a certain number or time frame will never suit everyone. I could waste 2 hours on something and it wont bother me, someone else could have kids and that 2 hours was taken away from being with them after a long day of not being with them at all.. so its all different.
And I, in turn, can also try to remember to recognize that people speak figuratively, not always literally. It would save me the occasional butthurt.
 
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And I, in turn, can also try to remember to recognize that people speak figuratively, not always literally. It would save me the occasional butthurt.
i got no problem with what ya said, was no hate was just how ya felt. im glad ya said what you said so others in your situation can see how i meant it and also the right way to handle shit.
 
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Saying at least one of the dev is slacking and doesn't deserve the support with how this project (and his previous one) is managed doesn't mean being mad. There is no insult or anger, and discussing the development of a game in development is on topic.
 
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