billyjoebobmartin

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This post fascinates me. Why do people think every awful, shitty, monstrous person needs a tragic backstory? Is this something that Hollywood has instilled in us? Sometimes monsters are just monsters
i think it's more fascination and/or adoration to aberrant psychology than something to empathize with. most of the time, IRL people are created to be monsters, with only a few born psychopaths. sociopaths are created via nurture or so i understand. and considering val is WAY more a sociopath than pyschopath it makes sense she would have reasons why is the way she is. even if those reasons are 'bad' reasons of repeated shitty decision making and objectively bad role models.

also considering val's level of "imma double down" there's SOMETHING in val's past of importance that made her the ways she is. even if it's something as simple as 'she didn't get spanked enough as a child to learn action and consequence' or the like.
 
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I would like to see an option to share your staff with each other, but get them back when you want them just for you. Maybe add the option of catching them go back to the groups or people you've shared them with. Give them a bit more life... that be kinda cool in my opinion.
 

AHentailurker

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Any german fans of this game know of a way to buy it around here? Can't do subscribestar without a credit card, unfortunately.
 

jahall

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I tried that, but it seems you can only get the version without the porn content from there.
As well as Patreon, they also have a Subscribestar account, and by subscribing to that you can get the full version. It's rather an odd way of doing it though, as you then have to join their Discord server (if you haven't already done so), and the download link is in the subscribers-only section there.
 

AHentailurker

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As well as Patreon, they also have a Subscribestar account, and by subscribing to that you can get the full version. It's rather an odd way of doing it though, as you then have to join their Discord server (if you haven't already done so), and the download link is in the subscribers-only section there.
You need a credit card for subscribestar, unfortunately.
 

Kikinaak

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Is it possible to drop the steam content onto the demo executable from itch? I've seen devs who release on multiple platforms take the approach of "load the content if its there" to only need to maintain one version.
 
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Do I get back the test volunteers I gave to malagar or no because i wanna get back naho turned dragonid after being experimented on. Please help.
 
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Once you give someone to malagar you can't get them back, same applies to hordes.

I'M APPAULED BRO.....I didn't save and now I'm in the next act...Thats just a tease mayne. Like imagine if that was an option afterwards to get them back you could've had a cool kind of offspring from draconic and wolf. fml, gotta restart resident evil style. lol thanks brother.
 
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Lyao1

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I played just for the Eburon scenes... IT WAS WORTH IT (hoping for animated scenes with him) I really liked this game :cool:
 

forbiddentwo

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You are right that being good is more challenging but you are inherently taking people to your lair against their will. Valzira hates your fucking guts, not just because you kidnapped her and outwitted her, but because you are a dragon. Her race and your race are practically programmed to be at odds with each other.

Just like Naho, I don't see a happy relationship being brought if you can't break or make her dependent on you. It's literally the only way Naho will be your consort because if you try to do it normally, she is going to attempt to fucking kill you. Because, surprise, surprise, she hates you for beating her in honorable combat and humiliating her in front of her tribe.

They aren't going to fall for you, they have no reason to. You took everything that matter to them and they already hated and celebrated the genocide of your kind. I just don't see it working. Even if you choose to not touch them and speak nicely, they aren't going to change how they feel about you. This isn't an anime where you can change people by being kind, especially since they hate your guts and have a good reason to. If you feel this way, You honestly don't understand the characters and don't want to. You just want to force your fantasy version of them into the game. I just can't see someone like Naho or Val being genuinely happy consorts/servants of the dragon.

Little Rant and Spoils for both characters below.

If you really look at it, both Naho and Val are hypocrites, which makes them more believable and tolerable characters in my opinion. Naho and Val are convinced of some ultra-sexist stuff about the power dynamics of men and women, hell the whole world kinda is. Naho takes about honor, her pack, and how she prided herself on being alpha. Accusing her pack of being nothing but worthless curs who just wanted to fuck. Guess how she rose to power? By fucking and using herbs given to her by Val so she wouldn't get pregnant, she was protected by guy members who thought she was bearing their child and didn't want any harm done to her. So she manipulated her pack into doing what she wanted and continue to do so more ruthlessly when she began as Alpha, but she didn't have the strength nor the tactics to drive away human mercs harassing them. She depended too much on Val who was essentially just helping her because she was bored.

Naho wasn't a good alpha/leader, she didn't try to understand or compromise with her pack. She forbid them from fucking others that weren't their race and she broke Erubon's legs because he was a threat to her leadership. Her way of leading the pack depended entirely on Val backing her up and the pack bending the knee. When she fought and lost to you, her pack celebrated and she saw it as a betrayal. But she never worked to gain any real loyalty and she gain power by fucking just like the same people she looked down upon. Her pride was just too big for her to ever see her mistakes. Her pack accepts you because you are strong and she was pretty much oppressing them in their eyes. You defeated her fairly in a one-on-one match, but she feels that dragons don't deserve honor and they should have all just jumped you when she lost. But that's just her covering for her pride again. Like Val she is unable to do any actual self-reflection and is stuck in her ways.


Val is even worst though. I can barely put into words how much I like her as a character and hate her and the convocation. The elves genocided a whole race and pretty much do exactly what dragons do but under the protection of their religion and through more subtle means. Valzira has a deep hatred of men and honestly sees them as nothing more than beasts. To her, it is the job of a wise woman to twist the wills of beasts (men) to suit their purposes. From what I have inferred in the story, I think a lot of her hate may have come from the dragon she served. She has done two things on a whim. One of them was what she did To Issa and the other was her screwing over the pack by planting ideas in Naho's head. The casual way she abandons people due to boredom shows she doesn't really care for her fellow women. Rather of how she tries to spin it she believes in a mentality similar to a lot of dragons, just replacing brains over brawn. She lost against you because she looked down on you and saw you as a simple beast. When you have shown her that she was wrong, she denies it entirely. Her ego will not allow her to escape that she lost to you. So she plays herself as a victim, but her actions through conversations showed she was pretty cruel to other and even assisted a dragon that did the same to his captives.

You really can't reason with people like that, especially when they don't want to hear what you have to say and reject you as a living creature.
I kneel.

But also, breaking them into goodness is hot.
 
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