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UnfinishedSentenc

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Just like text-based "stories," which aren't virtual novels/games, should have their own specific section on this website, shouldn't there be a specific section just for "censored" games, so as not to be confused with games that don't have the mosaic nonsense for people who live in countries, whose people aren't controlled by their government as to what they can see and can't see, and are allowed to look at natural parts and functions of our bodies like penises and vaginas and the natural meeting of the two for procreation?
 

DreamTeamStudio

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Just like text-based "stories," which aren't virtual novels/games, should have their own specific section on this website, shouldn't there be a specific section just for "censored" games, so as not to be confused with games that don't have the mosaic nonsense for people who live in countries, whose people aren't controlled by their government as to what they can see and can't see, and are allowed to look at natural parts and functions of our bodies like penises and vaginas and the natural meeting of the two for procreation?
The art is being replaced with commissioned uncensored remakes. No need to get all fake intellectual about an issue that isn't even there.
 
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UnfinishedSentenc

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The art is being replaced with commissioned uncensored remakes. No need to get all fake intellectual about an issue that isn't even there.
Okay, I will try it before I criticize it anymore, but "text-based" is pretty darn clear in what it means, isn't it? Like, no pictures? No animations? Just like reading an article in Penthouse? That's what I get from those two words. I'll check out the game and get back to you. It's only fair right, before I become critical of your game. So my apology.
 

JackyHF

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Okay, I will try it before I criticize it anymore, but "text-based" is pretty darn clear in what it means, isn't it? Like, no pictures? No animations? Just like reading an article in Penthouse? That's what I get from those two words. I'll check out the game and get back to you. It's only fair right, before I become critical of your game. So my apology.
It appears that you are not familiar with the format that is a Visual Novel (VN for short). This is not a game, it's that: a visual novel. A very majorly written story that may (but not necessarily does) have choices, is typically very linear or at least has a system of routes that are very linear, and there is seldomly any gameplay at all. And on that, it is correctly tagged as "VN" and as being made in "Ren'Py".
 

DreamTeamStudio

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Okay, I will try it before I criticize it anymore, but "text-based" is pretty darn clear in what it means, isn't it? Like, no pictures? No animations? Just like reading an article in Penthouse? That's what I get from those two words. I'll check out the game and get back to you. It's only fair right, before I become critical of your game. So my apology.
text-based
The primary content is textual, as it the tag states, but that text is heavily complimented by the character sprites, other images, and sound.
No pictures?
As stated, there are a ton of pictures, such as custom sprites, backgrounds, CGs, etc.
No animations?
Those images move around on screen all the time with animations, almost always with SFX and music, and characters' facial expressions change nearly every line as they take part in and react to conversations; furthermore, Zoey's face (the protagonist) changes her face a lot as she thinks and narrates the story and is far more expressive than any other visual novel character I've seen.
Just like reading an article in Penthouse?
I'm legitimately surprised that magazine still exists, let alone got worked into a comparison.
No, this visual novel is not like a Penthouse article. Even if you were to print a screenshot of every line of dialogue, the experience would not be anywhere close to the same due the use of audio and animations that you could not do in a print medium. There is also a high degree of "micro-branching" in this visual novel based on a personality matrix you can set for the character which influences how they act and react to things, and larger branches from choices you make during the story.
There's also an arcade date in one route with playable arcade games. They're not fantastic games, but they do exist, function well enough, and story events moderately change based on the games played and the results in them.

I'd implore you to read the OP of a thread before commenting in that thread. Beyond the tags and engine used, the OP clearly states:
Censored: Mosaic on certain placeholder HCGs, though everything is planned to be uncensored
As well as shows screenshots of the visual novel differentiating it from purely being a wall of text.
 
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cheezed

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It appears that you are not familiar with the format that is a Visual Novel (VN for short). This is not a game, it's that: a visual novel.
Anyone that says that a visual novel is inherently not a game, or inherently a game, is wrong. Frustratingly wrong. It's the sort of narrowing of genres that prevents good works from getting the recognition and enjoyment they deserve and encourage purists to denigrate anything straying from their personal window of taste. I have absolutely played VNs that felt more like a game than a CYOA book in computer form, even if that isn't always the case. A VN being more on the game end of the spectrum isn't inherently bad or wrong if someone wants to take it in that direction.
 
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A visual novel is as much of a game as the developer makes it. Personally I'm of the opinion that they should be a little bit more gamey in a CYOA manner or so or it's kind of a wasted opportunity and don't make me invested in it, but that's 100% subjective for one and because I come to sites like this with an expectation to get a game for another, so it'd cause a disconnect if the visual novel is just doing its own thing without my input.

Y'know, because my opinion on the internet is important and must be stated. If my preferences aren't appealed to, it's on me to step away and find something that does. Simple as.
 

JackyHF

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Anyone that says that a visual novel is inherently not a game, or inherently a game, is wrong. Frustratingly wrong. It's the sort of narrowing of genres that prevents good works from getting the recognition and enjoyment they deserve and encourage purists to denigrate anything straying from their personal window of taste. I have absolutely played VNs that felt more like a game than a CYOA book in computer form, even if that isn't always the case. A VN being more on the game end of the spectrum isn't inherently bad or wrong if someone wants to take it in that direction.
You can disagree as you wish, but the fact that Visual Novels are their own thing in Japanese media, as well as high-impact sites like TV Tropes and the existence of VNDB showing that they aren't games, means that you are in the minority opinion. I don't care about purists, I care about facts. Visual Novels are not games, they are game-adjacent. There are plenty VNs with gameplay (like the original Monster Girl Quest trilogy) and plenty games with Visual Novel-style conversations and/or movement, say Riviea: The Promised Land, Persona 3 Portable, and Princess Sacrifice for an eroge example. But they are NOT games in themselves, they are a related but distinct medium in the same way that that an anime may have gameplay mechanics and a game may have anime-style sequences - adjacent but still distinct.

A visual novel is as much of a game as the developer makes it. Personally I'm of the opinion that they should be a little bit more gamey in a CYOA manner or so or it's kind of a wasted opportunity and don't make me invested in it, but that's 100% subjective for one and because I come to sites like this with an expectation to get a game for another, so it'd cause a disconnect if the visual novel is just doing its own thing without my input.

Y'know, because my opinion on the internet is important and must be stated. If my preferences aren't appealed to, it's on me to step away and find something that does. Simple as.
Well, Kinetic Novels are a subset of Visual Novels, their defining feature is that they don't have any choices at all. The When they Cry series follows this format, and they are immensely popular. So a visual novel in the truest sense can work and have mass-appeal. It's really just a question of quality.
 
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cheezed

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I care about facts
If you want to be '''objective''' about this, you would have to provide a metric by which something is or isn't a game. Simply appealing to popular opinion is subject to any change in opinion that might occur and of course, ignores that as big as those websites might be, they are simply that; websites. VNDB is chock full of games for one, lmfao.

If the people that buy your product do so on a digital platform for videogames, or on a shelf for videogames in a videogame shop, then whatever social construct unique to a foreign country fades away. All that is left is the way it is presented and consumed. By the same standards you claim a videogame is or isn't a game, I can point to those consuming it as a game and make the opposite claim based on the 'popular opinion' of the end user, the player.

If I were to gradually add game elements to a VN, at what point does it stop being a VN? You would be forced eventually to atomize an arbitrary line in the sand to preserve the assertion that a VN cannot be a game.

The When they Cry series follows this format, and they are immensely popular
The most popular episode of Higarushi on steam has half the ownership base as Hanako Games' Long Live The Queen. If it is a big fish, it is in a very small global pond. It seems more reasonable to simply state it exists on one end of a spectrum of VNs of which some are functionally games. CYOA games are even less gamelike than many Visual Novels, but you don't see people referring to things like Zork or Alter Ego as non-games. Society has moved past needing to compartmentalise works based on their origin rather than their qualities.

This is all pretty silly, ngl. Much like your posting.
 
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No, I'm now gonna argue about the merits of using the right hand. Agree with me and you're right.

So a visual novel in the truest sense can work and have mass-appeal. It's really just a question of quality.
But yeah. Quality and personal preferences. I won't tell anyone making a pure novel with no options or mechanics to it that they're doing it wrong, only that it's an uphill battle to catch this particular fish.
 
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